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vcczar Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 My view on Joe Manchin is complex. All of these are things I believe: - Joe Manchin is more valuable to Democrats and independent progressives than a Republican from WV in the Senate. - Even if Joe Manchin wants to follow mainstream Democrats, he can't if he wants to hold this Senate seat for himself and for Democrats. - I am frustrated with Manchin when he's provides the vote to kill a bill, but I understand why he does so. - Joe Manchin has all-too-close personal ties to some industries that prevent him from making some decisions fairly. For this reason, I don't think any person in the federal government should own stocks or have any sort of financial ties to industries. There should be nothing financial that could influence a politician from making a fair decisions. For this reason, a business, corporation, or organization--regardless of ideology--should not be allowed to donate to a politician. That won't prevent those who work for those companies from donating. Donors should be anonymous except to some sort of electoral commission that will keep the name in the event they need them for investigation or whatever. - I view Joe Manchin more favorably than not, but he's probably my next to least favorite Democratic Senator with Sinema at the bottom. The difference with Sinema is that AZ is not WV. She could operate like a Democratic Senator from purple or leans-red state, but she operates like she's in WV. I also question whether or not she has any real values. She's been all over the place in her public career. I had a favorable view of her as a US Rep. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenobiyl Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Love Joe Manchin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cenzonico Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 "Omg Joe Manchin is so based for cucking radical socialist Joe Biden haha we need more people like him" In all seriousness, I guess Joe Manchin actually wants another term. So naturally he needs to act like a senator from West Virginia. Not a senator from California. A lot of the left in general (A.K.A. Twitter) doesn't seem to understand that and go on a tirade when he goes against the Biden agenda. Sinema is a different story, but I like her too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 4 hours ago, vcczar said: My view on Joe Manchin is complex. All of these are things I believe: - Joe Manchin is more valuable to Democrats and independent progressives than a Republican from WV in the Senate. - Even if Joe Manchin wants to follow mainstream Democrats, he can't if he wants to hold this Senate seat for himself and for Democrats. - I am frustrated with Manchin when he's provides the vote to kill a bill, but I understand why he does so. - Joe Manchin has all-too-close personal ties to some industries that prevent him from making some decisions fairly. For this reason, I don't think any person in the federal government should own stocks or have any sort of financial ties to industries. There should be nothing financial that could influence a politician from making a fair decisions. For this reason, a business, corporation, or organization--regardless of ideology--should not be allowed to donate to a politician. That won't prevent those who work for those companies from donating. Donors should be anonymous except to some sort of electoral commission that will keep the name in the event they need them for investigation or whatever. - I view Joe Manchin more favorably than not, but he's probably my next to least favorite Democratic Senator with Sinema at the bottom. The difference with Sinema is that AZ is not WV. She could operate like a Democratic Senator from purple or leans-red state, but she operates like she's in WV. I also question whether or not she has any real values. She's been all over the place in her public career. I had a favorable view of her as a US Rep. I pretty much agree with this. He's as Democrat as you're going to get in WV while still being able to win the election, and if you don't want another Republican in the Senate, then Manchin is your guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezi Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, MrPotatoTed said: I pretty much agree with this. He's as Democrat as you're going to get in WV while still being able to win the election, and if you don't want another Republican in the Senate, then Manchin is your guy. And for those blaming him for the lack of action (myself included), you also have to blame Democrats themselves for squandering an easily winnable race or two in 2018 and 2020 Senate (Thinking specifically Florida 2018 and North Carolina 2020). Ideally, Manchin and Sinema shouldn't have been the deciding votes. Edited February 8, 2022 by Rezi 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kitten Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Based Manchin I have a lot of Senators I really like regardless of party tbh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Blood Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Manchin is morally dubious and as V pointed out is very much open to the lobbying of certain industries, but in the end he's a conservative Democrat in West Virginia, with his situation I can only be disappointed with him, never believing it would be a viable option to primary him or ostracize him from the Democratic Party. My issue is with Democratic electoral strategy of late(as Rezi discussed), and the Biden Admin's negotiation strategy for BBB, which did nothing but set Biden up for political defeat by attempting to push such major omnibus legislation through a 50/50 Senate, especially tying vital and on their own popular policies such as the now-dead enhanced CTC to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVProgressive Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 I do not like Joe Manchin, as a Senator, or as a person, and I will not be voting to reelect him in 2024. I have come to this decision because I believe that he is corrupt, and that his views on politics are wrong. He does not represent me, and I will be voting for the candidate who most does, in both the primary, and general election, even if it is hopeless to do so. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvikings1 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 On 2/8/2022 at 9:43 AM, vcczar said: a business, corporation, or organization--regardless of ideology--should not be allowed to donate to a politician Businesses/Corporations/Non-profits are already prohibited from donating to candidates for federal office Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 27 minutes ago, jvikings1 said: Businesses/Corporations/Non-profits are already prohibited from donating to candidates for federal office Directly, yes. They can, however, create and back PACs which can support candidates for federal office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvikings1 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 11 hours ago, MrPotatoTed said: Directly, yes. They can, however, create and back PACs which can support candidates for federal office. Yes, they can make independent expenditures (such as running their own ads), but that's different from donating to a candidate. The PACs associated with businesses/corporations/organizations which do give money cannot use general funds to support them (those are funded by the people within the organizations). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvikings1 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 44 minutes ago, Patine said: A notable number of PAC's, especially in State- and City-level races, and Federal House Seat - and sometimes Federal Senate seats, significantly outspend in advertising and campaigning the candidate they're backing... Correct. And contribution limits are a big part of this occurring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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