Fbarbarossa Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) It might seem like an odd question, but I was wondering what everyone's most individual view is. Maybe you have one that is uncommon or just doesn't slide into the ideology you identify as. If you do, what is it? Edited February 10, 2022 by Fbarbarossa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenobiyl Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Demeny Voting I like the idea because it has potential to counteract the gerontocratric nature of our democracy, while also ensuring some level of representation (even indirectly) for children in a country. I also think it would be an effective way to encourage families in a society, which is a high priority for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pringles Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Man I don't know, off the top of my head I believe the drinking age should be lower. I think tobacco is more harmful than alcohol in any way whatsoever. I'd like to see the American drinking age similar to places in Europe. Contrary to many on this forum I'm not so big on felons voting, but it's just too much of a case by case scenario to give a definitive answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cenzonico Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 It would probably be things like "getting rid of the NSA and TSA" or "getting rid of most of the cabinet positions" for example. The usual libertarian stuff. Though I also support things like abolishing the welfare state completely in favour of Universal Basic Income, making America a glorified arms manufacturer, devolution of police departments, etc. Abortion maybe as well, though that's a hot topic in Libertarian circles. Generally though I believe a real Libertarian would believe abortion should be safe, legal, and rare (or on-demand perhaps like me) no matter the personal feelings they carry with the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 I think mine is the “opt-out clause” and “exception clause” ideas, which is basically a progressive version of states rights ideology. The idea is aimed at harmonizing those favoring big and limited government. It isn’t perfect but I think it’s an improvement. If you want to know more just search the forum in the forum search function because I don’t have time to reelaborate on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cenzonico Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Patine said: Getting rid of the NSA and TSA is not really, "out there," - the two agencies should have never been created in the first place, and grossly violate the U.S. Constitution in every endeavour, and by merely existing. If we are talking in the conventional sense of politics, then yes it it very "out there" indeed. The GOP and the Democratic would scoff at such an idea. It doesn't matter how much you disagree with the assertion (as I do as well), when you have the views you or I do it's important to accept the fact that they are not mainstream and won't be unless politics had some weird magnetic miraculous shift. It is unfortunate? Very much so. But it's why standing your ground is the most important thing we can do. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 I'm a Democrat who likes George W Bush and is strongly against legalizing marijuana. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cenzonico Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 1 minute ago, MrPotatoTed said: I'm a Democrat who likes George W Bush and is strongly against legalizing marijuana. Cringe but I respect it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Just now, Cenzonico said: Cringe but I respect it. I used to be a moderate independent, and had Republicans on my ballot as recently as 2016. But the party has moved so far to the right that "moderate independent" means "straight Democrat ticket" now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pringles Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, MrPotatoTed said: I'm a Democrat who likes George W Bush and is strongly against legalizing marijuana. I guess contrary to most modern Republicans that you see on TV, I am one that can admit when a Democrat is good. 😛 Like Joe Scarborough. He had 2 portraits in his office when was a Representative. Ronald Reagan, and Harry Truman. Those two are GOATs for me personally. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Just now, Pringles said: I guess contrary to most modern Republicans that you see on TV, I am one that can admit when a Democrat is good. 😛 Like Joe Scarborough. He had 2 portraits in his office when was a Representative. Ronald Reagan, and Harry Truman. Those two are GOATs for me personally. Truman is my favorite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cenzonico Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Just now, MrPotatoTed said: I used to be a moderate independent, and had Republicans on my ballot as recently as 2016. But the party has moved so far to the right that "moderate independent" means "straight Democrat ticket" now. Yeah I can't judge you. The Republican party is long gone at this point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVProgressive Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 I don't really know, I have a lot of 'out there' views that would probably make me unpalatable to any currently existing political ideology. Maybe the fact that I'm an anti-capitalist, who's not pro-socialism? I'm really not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnewt Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 This shouldn't actually be "out there", but it's definitely *radical* by U.S. standards: (near complete) prison abolition. Prison shouldn't be about punishing people, it should be about rehabilitating them. People should only be in prison as long as they need to in order to be rehabilitated. The only people who should be spending an extensive amount of time in prison are those who cannot be rehabilitated and need to be isolated from society for society's sake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvikings1 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Repeal the 17th Amendment 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezi Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 The fact that I think all drugs should be decriminalized is pretty out there to the average American. I would also share Cen's opinions on the abolition of Government Agencies like the NSA or TSA. Of course along with other agencies that should be abolished or gutted, like the DEA, CIA, ATF, the Entire Department of Homeland Security, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezi Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Patine said: I agree MOSTLY with that, but, as a Social Worker, I want to say, not all street drugs are created equal, and some really SHOULDN'T be decriminalized. Crack cocaine, fentanyl, meth, and things like, "crocodile," should NOT be on a legal market in a sane and moral society. Decriminalization would make them illegal to sell. Just not illegal to consume. Therefore punishing drug dealers, rather than those who find themselves getting addicted. Addiction should be treated as a health problem, not a legal problem. Only soft drugs (i.e drugs like Cannabis, psilocybin, and most hallucinogens) should be legal to sell. Edited February 11, 2022 by Rezi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvikings1 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 13 minutes ago, Patine said: Is that the income tax or the direct Senate election one? I know that both are targets for repeal in the ideological circles you seem to be involved in. Direct Election, though I am also very supportive of repealing the 16th Amendment (Direct Tax) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezi Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Patine said: The problem is (and I also know this as a Social Worker), while the top-levels of the drug pyramid, as the ones who distribute to individual cities, and the cold-hearted hitmen and thugs, are horrible people, many drug dealers on the street have also become victims of the system, and do such, not out of bad Gangsta rap video or, "Bad Boys," movies cliches, but out of desperation, and often to pay off their own habits, and are just as much victims of predation. Law-enforcement has to actually show the courage to go for the top of the pyramid - but that often seems daunting to them... That gets us to the issues in the prison system and in law enforcement. I'm actually not sure of a solution to get police officers to go towards the top levels of the pyramid, and I don't think there's any one simple solution to that. Maybe giving bonuses could be a nice incentive, but that's always easily abused. In terms of the prison system, it would need to be catered back towards rehabilitation instead of punishment like we have today. That way, these drug dealers, who themselves are also victims, could use their time in prison to get clean, get healthy, and find something in life that works for them, instead of falling back into crime on their way out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilight Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 I'm ok with the filibuster rules as currently constituted. If a piece of legislation can't get at least a little bi-partisan support we're probably better off without it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezi Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 9 minutes ago, pilight said: I'm ok with the filibuster rules as currently constituted. If a piece of legislation can't get at least a little bi-partisan support we're probably better off without it. IMO The current filibuster rules are good in theory, but as we've seen since the mid 2000s, they falter in usefulness during highly-polarized environments and lead to nothing getting done. I would say that the filibuster should still exist, but it does need to be weakened. I've seen some say that we should lower the requirement to 55 votes, but I would prefer to eliminate the sitting filibuster, so that you have to actually stand up and speak, put in the effort to filibuster a bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakotaHale Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 Raise voting age back to 21, decriminalize all drugs, legalize, regulate and tax recreational marijuana, shrooms and cocaine, legalize & regulate & tax prostitution, reform income taxes to be a 10% flat tax (reduce deductions/loopholes and raise sales & non-land inheritance taxes to compensate). Also agree with the TSA and NSA removal shit, but also the CIA and FBI as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilight Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 Not supporting a raise in the voting age unless there's also a cap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakotaHale Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 Just now, Patine said: Are you REALLY advocating legalizing crack cocaine, fentenyl, meth, crocodile, etc.? Do you have any idea what that would mean, or what these drugs do to people - and often quite quickly? I'm a social worker. I've seen it - and all too often. And it's not pretty at all. These drugs should no more be legalized than marketing antifreeze as blue Kool-Aid should... Nowhere did I say any of those mentioned drugs should be legalized. I specifically only mentioned three. For all other drugs I support decriminalization, stop ruining person’s lives for possession and consumption, but still arresting the drug dealers and shit. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezi Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Patine said: Did you edit your post? Or was I subconsciously going over Rezi saying, "all drugs," earlier? I apologize. It's been a long day and I may have blurred you with another poster on the same thread on a similar topic. Neither of us said all drugs should be legalized, we both support decriminalization for all of them, and legalization for certain drugs. Edited February 12, 2022 by Rezi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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