Presidential Elections Since 1900: Who would you have voted for?

[mark2]

2 minutes ago, Patine said:

That's if you're assuming that was his only motivation. But that's not exactly what I was referring to. People who actually make it to become executive heads of whole sovereign nations, and aren't just puppets or vassals of someone else, or viewing themselves strictly as, "caretaker leaders," usually have more motives and goals in mind - for good, ill, or mixed, it doesn't matter for this point - than one singular ideal, you know?

generally if you were a tried and tested racist before entering politics, you're just a racist

[mark2]

1 minute ago, Patine said:

Yes, I'm not actually contesting this. NOT AT ALL. I don't know where you got the idea I was. I'm saying that I doubt reviving the KKK was his only goal in office. Think about my speculation (not claim at knowledge, or even prediction or estimation, but just musing) of wanting a piece of the European colonial pie, hypothetically, would give a field day and bonanza for abuse and exploitation in the most loathsomely racist of ways for a blatantly racist U.S. President. Can you now see what I'm ACTUALLY saying here?

no one claimed that his only goal was to revive the KKK while in office

but you're addressing something not a soul brought up, reminder this was in reply to a comment about how the guy was just very racist

so what is your point, what are you addressing. who the fuck are you talking to.

[Dobs]

8 minutes ago, Patine said:

Yes, I'm not actually contesting this. NOT AT ALL. I don't know where you got the idea I was. I'm saying that I doubt reviving the KKK was his only goal in office. Think about my speculation (not claim at knowledge, or even prediction or estimation, but just musing) of wanting a piece of the European colonial pie, hypothetically, would give a field day and bonanza for abuse and exploitation in the most loathsomely racist of ways for a blatantly racist U.S. President. Can you now see what I'm ACTUALLY saying here?

I think a simple sentence like “I believe his racism also influenced his foreign policy, which was imperialist and racially charged.” Would have avoided this whole quagmire of confusion.

[Dobs]

1 minute ago, Patine said:

It MAY have, though with some people on this forum, I have may had some the longer form drawn out by discussion, and led to this, anyways... 😑

Can you diagram this sentence for me please.

[Timur]

On 2/22/2022 at 9:21 AM, mark2 said:

id assume him helping to revive the KKK was not a diplomatic maneuver

Did he help revive the KKK? From what I understand, that was the work of William Joseph Simmons. Also, they really didn't gain traction unti like 1920 because of people like Elizabeth Tyler and Edward Young.

Edited February 23, 2022 by Timur

[Pringles]

16 minutes ago, Timur said:

Did he help revive the KKK? From what I understand, that was the work of William Joseph Simmons. Also, they really didn't gain traction unti like 1920 because of people like Elizabeth Tyler and Edward Young.

I'd like to respond in greater detail but here's a good article on it so you can take the sources word for it, and not mine. 😄 

https://www.history.com/news/woodrow-wilson-racial-segregation-jim-crow-ku-klux-klan

[Pringles]

In short, you can argue he didn't help the KKK directly as in say, publicly and literally saying "I endorse the KKK." 

But he segregated the federal work force... premiered Birth of a Nation at the WH. 

He also bought into the "lost cause" narrative. And he did endorse it in his historical publishing's.

Edited February 23, 2022 by Pringles

[Timur]

16 minutes ago, Pringles said:

I'd like to respond in greater detail but here's a good article on it so you can take the sources word for it, and not mine. 😄 

https://www.history.com/news/woodrow-wilson-racial-segregation-jim-crow-ku-klux-klan

I would argue that he was a racist, and he did write those things, and the fact that he allowed it to be screened is evidence of his racism. However, I wonder if he would have supported the 2nd Klan. He criticized the first Klan's violence (or at least some of it).

https://www.jstor.org/stable/20799409?Search=yes&resultItemClick=true&searchText=wilson+birth+of+a+nation&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3Dwilson%2Bbirth%2Bof%2Ba%2Bnation%26so%3Drel&ab_segments=0%2Fbasic_search_gsv2%2Fcontrol&refreqid=fastly-default%3A7642b55c01d4fa5cf5417ecf94f40761&seq=1

The aforesaid article refers, for example to this book (pg. 58-64, 71-72).

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.74165/page/n81/mode/2up