Legislative Proposals, Executive Actions, Governor Actions

[vcczar]

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I'm no open to suggestions for legislative proposals, executive actions, and governor actions in specific areas. Here's the areas of need: 

1. I need more potential legislative proposals that could be made by the Continental Congress (up to 1788). These can be obscure legislation or hypothetical legislation that was within the realm of possibility. 

2. I need more governor actions--things that are state-specific--that a governor might do prior to 1788. These can be based on history or hypothetical, so long as it is within the realm of possibility. 

3. In general, I need more legislation proposals for the years 1800-1900. These can be obscure legislation, legislation that failed, or hypothetical legislation within the realm of possibility. 

4. In general, I need presidential executive actions for the years 1800-1900. These need to be within the realm of possibility. 

5. In general, I need governor actions for the years 1800-1900. These can be based on history or hypothetical, so long as it is within the realm of possibility. 

6. I need governor actions for the Era of the Future (2024-2100)

7. I need presidential executive actions for the Era of the Future (2024-2100)

8. I could also consider legislative proposals for the Era of the Future (2024-2100), but these are low priority. 

 

[MrPotatoTed]

One Governor action I considered at like 4 this morning:

Changing the rules on how vacant senate or Rep seats are filled.

By default, they’re appointed by the sitting governor.  But maybe state laws that say there has to be an election or the appointee has to be from the previous politician’s party or it has to stay vacant until the next election?

[jvikings1]

13 minutes ago, MrPotatoTed said:

One Governor action I considered at like 4 this morning:

Changing the rules on how vacant senate or Rep seats are filled.

By default, they’re appointed by the sitting governor.  But maybe state laws that say there has to be an election or the appointee has to be from the previous politician’s party or it has to stay vacant until the next election?

This might be a better constitutional amendment proposal (with one of the options to leave it to the governors). IRL, a special election is required by the Constitution for House and (psot-17th Amendment) Senate vacancies.

But I do like the idea of having some variety (whichever way it could be implemented).

[pman]

Having written a master's thesis on Prohibition I know there are a whole list of 'Prohibition lite' pieces of legislation that were introduced in the period prior to the  ratification of the 18th Amendment. Banning the sale of alcohol on Sundays (obviously the NFL wasn't around in the late 1800s). Banning alcohol of specific proofs (say 90 and higher) to outright bans statewide on alcohol and the transportation of alcohol.  I would make a series of escalating prohibition laws in every state from 1865 through 1919. Each would obviously have specific political consequences. I know there was real backlash in Irish and German communities against legislation being advocated by The Anti-Saloon League and other progressive prohibitionists. Though many other groups such as progressives, protestants, etc supported those statewide prohibition efforts.

I also think a series of national and state coverture laws were obviously being debated and enacted during much of the 18th and 19th Centuries both at the state and federal levels. You really should have a set of escalating coverture laws up for votes at both levels. 

Being the those two serious topics I have some fun laws below:

 

Alabama’s “fake mustache law,” wherein it’s said to be illegal to make a person in church laugh by wearing a fake mustache on Sunday

Tons of amusing laws on gambling. In North Carolina bingo sessions can't last longer than 5 hours.  Obviously casino gambling laws become debatable further into the 20th Century.

Federal law dictates that anyone who “issues or publishes a fake weather report and claims it’s from the Weather Bureau is subject to imprisonment for not more than ninety days.”

 In Missouri, you cannot, under any circumstances, drive with an uncaged bear in your car

North Dakota forbids serving beer and pretzels at the same time.

Illinois forbids you from giving your pup a lighted cigar no matter how much he wants one

Florida is also tough on the unmarried woman, who plans on doing her parachuting on Sundays. Not a problem if you’re in the company of your husband, though.

https://www.robertreeveslaw.com/blog/31-strange-bizarre-true-laws/

Edited March 20, 2022 by pman

[OrangeP47]

I'm going to have to think about this one quite a bit.  Obviously I know some states better than others.  For now, I'll suggest making some kind of standard for moving state capitals.  It'd require a bit of research, but I don't think it'd be overwhelming.  Most of the states East of the Mississippi have moved their state capital, some more than once, (my home state's first capital is famously on the WRONG side of the Mississippi river, currently, thanks to historical flooding).

Also I'd second something like gambling legalization/prohibition at the state level.  Gambling laws are one of my areas of interest.  As part of my Masters in Polisci, I had a stats based focus in the program, and as such I have a long running personal experiment involving sports betting using my acquired statistical knowledge, or at least that's what I tell myself 😅

[ConservativeElector2]

On discord we have discussed a Gov action to attract immigration to your state in order to snatch an additional House seat. @MrPotatoTed was sympathetic to the idea.

Hypothetical this could be amended with options like increasing immigration from China. Also in the West it could be done by selling land during a gold rush.

 

Edited March 20, 2022 by ConservativeElector2

[vcczar]

1 hour ago, pman said:

Having written a master's thesis on Prohibition I know there are a whole list of 'Prohibition lite' pieces of legislation that were introduced in the period prior to the  ratification of the 18th Amendment. Banning the sale of alcohol on Sundays (obviously the NFL wasn't around in the late 1800s). Banning alcohol of specific proofs (say 90 and higher) to outright bans statewide on alcohol and the transportation of alcohol.  I would make a series of escalating prohibition laws in every state from 1865 through 1919. Each would obviously have specific political consequences. I know there was real backlash in Irish and German communities against legislation being advocated by The Anti-Saloon League and other progressive prohibitionists. Though many other groups such as progressives, protestants, etc supported those statewide prohibition efforts.

I also think a series of national and state coverture laws were obviously being debated and enacted during much of the 18th and 19th Centuries both at the state and federal levels. You really should have a set of escalating coverture laws up for votes at both levels. 

Being the those two serious topics I have some fun laws below:

 

Alabama’s “fake mustache law,” wherein it’s said to be illegal to make a person in church laugh by wearing a fake mustache on Sunday

Tons of amusing laws on gambling. In North Carolina bingo sessions can't last longer than 5 hours.  Obviously casino gambling laws become debatable further into the 20th Century.

Federal law dictates that anyone who “issues or publishes a fake weather report and claims it’s from the Weather Bureau is subject to imprisonment for not more than ninety days.”

 In Missouri, you cannot, under any circumstances, drive with an uncaged bear in your car

North Dakota forbids serving beer and pretzels at the same time.

Illinois forbids you from giving your pup a lighted cigar no matter how much he wants one

Florida is also tough on the unmarried woman, who plans on doing her parachuting on Sundays. Not a problem if you’re in the company of your husband, though.

https://www.robertreeveslaw.com/blog/31-strange-bizarre-true-laws/

Funny. But I'm not going to add any bizarre federal laws since the computer players might end up proposing them, which will take away from the realism of the game. The one federal law you have in there is too minor of a law to be included. I did add your ban of 90 proof alcohol or higher idea. 

[pman]

Plus different versions of the Death Penalty both at the state and national level would be essential but you probably already have those.

plus how about animal cruelty legislation? It’s illegal to abuse and or knowingly starve a pet, etc

One last one—- how about a national law banning work weeks longer than 40 hrs without overtime being provided . Possibly during the Progressive Era .

 

Edited March 20, 2022 by pman

[vcczar]

1 hour ago, OrangeP47 said:

I'm going to have to think about this one quite a bit.  Obviously I know some states better than others.  For now, I'll suggest making some kind of standard for moving state capitals.  It'd require a bit of research, but I don't think it'd be overwhelming.  Most of the states East of the Mississippi have moved their state capital, some more than once, (my home state's first capital is famously on the WRONG side of the Mississippi river, currently, thanks to historical flooding).

Also I'd second something like gambling legalization/prohibition at the state level.  Gambling laws are one of my areas of interest.  As part of my Masters in Polisci, I had a stats based focus in the program, and as such I have a long running personal experiment involving sports betting using my acquired statistical knowledge, or at least that's what I tell myself 😅

I've just added gov actions that will legalize commercial gambling (casinos), legalize, legalize the lottery, and legalize prostitution. I have historic dates for these to be turned on, but I admit there's some state information regarding casinos and lottery legalization that I can't find at the moment. This affects mainly states that legalized these since 1990. There's a lot of information about the legalization of gambling prior to 1990 for some reason. I'll improve this as players point it out during early release probably. I just don't want to get bogged down finding dates for something this low priority right now. 

[A man from Colorado]

Well for legislative 1800-1900. I have two ideas for amendments that were proposed IRL and one of them is still pending:
The titles of nobility amendment (In a nutshell, if anyone accepts a title from a foreign power they are striped of their american citizenship.) 
The Blaine Amendment (Which would have banned money from going to religious schools, but during the time it was proposed protestant prayer and protestant bibles were being taught at public schools, so it's a 'fuck you Catholics!' amendment.)

[vcczar]

2 minutes ago, A man from Colorado said:

Well for legislative 1800-1900. I have two ideas for amendments that were proposed IRL and one of them is still pending:
The titles of nobility amendment (In a nutshell, if anyone accepts a title from a foreign power they are striped of their american citizenship.) 
The Blaine Amendment (Which would have banned money from going to religious schools, but during the time it was proposed protestant prayer and protestant bibles were being taught at public schools, so it's a 'fuck you Catholics!' amendment.)

I have the Blaine amendment. 

[vcczar]

23 minutes ago, pman said:

how about a national law banning work weeks longer than 40 hrs without overtime being provided .

I have this. Added it to the state level just now. 

[A man from Colorado]

1 minute ago, vcczar said:

I have the Blaine amendment. 

Ah so just the Titles of Nobility amendment. Have a good day!

Edited March 20, 2022 by A man from Colorado

[jvikings1]

8 minutes ago, vcczar said:

I've just added gov actions that will legalize commercial gambling (casinos), legalize, legalize the lottery, and legalize prostitution. I have historic dates for these to be turned on, but I admit there's some state information regarding casinos and lottery legalization that I can't find at the moment. This affects mainly states that legalized these since 1990. There's a lot of information about the legalization of gambling prior to 1990 for some reason. I'll improve this as players point it out during early release probably. I just don't want to get bogged down finding dates for something this low priority right now. 

There should be a separate one for sports betting too since Nevada essentially had a monopoly on it until the Murphy v. National Collegiate Athletic Association decision (which ruled that the federal government couldn't keep states from regulating their own gambling markets and should probably be a major case for the game given its wide-reaching implications in the sports world).

Edited March 20, 2022 by jvikings1

[vcczar]

19 minutes ago, jvikings1 said:

There should be a separate one for sports betting too since Nevada essentially had a monopoly on it until the Murphy v. National Collegiate Athletic Association decision (which ruled that the federal government couldn't keep states from regulating their own gambling markets and should probably be a major case for the game given its wide-reaching implications in the sports world).

I might add it if there's more demand for it. I'm more likely to use that court case to sort of stand in for representing sports betting. 

[bradleyg223]

Throwing a few ideas for legislation 1800-1900

• Illegality of Polygamy
  • Refusing Polygamists the right to vote or hold office
  • Outlawing male infidelity
• Introduction/Removal of patents
  • Reduce/Increase lifespan of patents.

[ConservativeElector2]

59 minutes ago, pman said:

Plus different versions of the Death Penalty both at the state and national level would be essential but you probably already have those.

It could be interesting to alter methods of executions as a fall back option if an established method is declared unconstitutional.

Furthermore on this topic it could be a Gov action to abolish/re-introduce public executions. Learned that while working through bios.

[vcczar]

40 minutes ago, A man from Colorado said:

Ah so just the Titles of Nobility amendment. Have a good day!

I'm still debating on whether or not I'll add this. I tend to only add things that serve a certain level of importance. The reason for this is that if I add a bunch of fluff legislation, the Computer players might start selecting that instead of things that should be more important. This just seems more like a legislation someone proposes if they have nothing else left to propose. It's also something that seems very bound to one era of the game. 

It's worth considering and I might add it, but it's more like something I'd add if the early release playthroughs seem to suggest that I need to add like 10 more proposals per era or something. I am seeking new legislative proposals, but I'm hoping someone suggest something a little more urgent than that amendment. 

[OrangeP47]

17 minutes ago, vcczar said:

I might add it if there's more demand for it. I'm more likely to use that court case to sort of stand in for representing sports betting. 

I'd offer to do the research for you, because as I said, sports betting is mostly what I do, but actually I was doing some independent research on the subject about a month ago for some other reasons and details on the current state of sports betting legality is frustratingly difficult to come by actually (I suppose relating to what you said regarding pre 1990 info being easier to find).  I attribute this to the fact that there was starting to be a rush on this subject, but then the pandemic kind of curtailed things as most states put it on the back burner as even those of us who do it often will admit there were bigger fish to fry.  On top of that, sports betting has only been legal in IL for 3 years, and has already undergone 2 major revisions (despite the pandemic), so it is perhaps just too fluid at the moment to model.  Using that case as a stand in is perhaps the right approach.  I am satisfied with the granularity of the issues you described in your original response to me.

[OrangeP47]

3 minutes ago, vcczar said:

I'm still debating on whether or not I'll add this. I tend to only add things that serve a certain level of importance. The reason for this is that if I add a bunch of fluff legislation, the Computer players might start selecting that instead of things that should be more important. This just seems more like a legislation someone proposes if they have nothing else left to propose. It's also something that seems very bound to one era of the game. 

It's worth considering and I might add it, but it's more like something I'd add if the early release playthroughs seem to suggest that I need to add like 10 more proposals per era or something. I am seeking new legislative proposals, but I'm hoping someone suggest something a little more urgent than that amendment. 

I know there's some debate on just how complicated you want to make the CPU formulas, and it may be too late to change some of these things since Anthony seems to be working fast, but one solution may be adding more ahistorical legis/actions/etc (but not too much) and then giving all the things that actually happened IRL like a 20% "buff" or something to be selected by the CPU. Not sure on exact percentage, but just something to make it so that the ahistorical stuff is more rare than the historical stuff in an all CPU environment, but of course a player would not be bound by such restrictions.

[pman]

21 minutes ago, ConservativeElector2 said:

It could be interesting to alter methods of executions as a fall back option if an established method is declared unconstitutional.

Furthermore on this topic it could be a Gov action to abolish/re-introduce public executions. Learned that while working through bios.

Yes, that’s I was thinking. For example if the electric chair is ruled unconstitutional then there could be a lethal injection option, etc

Edited March 20, 2022 by pman

[vcczar]

11 minutes ago, OrangeP47 said:

I know there's some debate on just how complicated you want to make the CPU formulas, and it may be too late to change some of these things since Anthony seems to be working fast, but one solution may be adding more ahistorical legis/actions/etc (but not too much) and then giving all the things that actually happened IRL like a 20% "buff" or something to be selected by the CPU. Not sure on exact percentage, but just something to make it so that the ahistorical stuff is more rare than the historical stuff in an all CPU environment, but of course a player would not be bound by such restrictions.

Buffs by era kind of exist already. 

[OrangeP47]

Just now, vcczar said:

Buffs by era kind of exist already. 

Yeah it really depends on just what the totals are.  It's not something I can really form a full opinion on with the current data at hand. I suppose that's what the playtests are for, and all the chaos in the current one seems to be firmly the fault of our players not the CPU, so eh, it's probably fine I guess.

[jvikings1]

21 minutes ago, OrangeP47 said:

I'd offer to do the research for you, because as I said, sports betting is mostly what I do, but actually I was doing some independent research on the subject about a month ago for some other reasons and details on the current state of sports betting legality is frustratingly difficult to come by actually (I suppose relating to what you said regarding pre 1990 info being easier to find).  I attribute this to the fact that there was starting to be a rush on this subject, but then the pandemic kind of curtailed things as most states put it on the back burner as even those of us who do it often will admit there were bigger fish to fry.  On top of that, sports betting has only been legal in IL for 3 years, and has already undergone 2 major revisions (despite the pandemic), so it is perhaps just too fluid at the moment to model.  Using that case as a stand in is perhaps the right approach.  I am satisfied with the granularity of the issues you described in your original response to me.

I figure, if sports betting were included, it would be a relatively simple is it legal or not. The issue will probably not be settled for some time (in terms of the specifics, KY is still struggling to get it established in the state). But the in-depth stuff would be too complicated to replicate in a game that isn't focused on the state level.

[OrangeP47]

Just now, jvikings1 said:

I figure, if sports betting were included, it would be a relatively simple is it legal or not. The issue will probably not be settled for some time (in terms of the specifics, KY is still struggling to get it established in the state). But the in-depth stuff would be too complicated to replicate in a game that isn't focused on the state level.

The major hangup is right now several states are in a legal gray area.  There's quite a few that have formally made sports betting legal, "pending a trial period/study period" and then these trial periods/study periods never happen, or no licenses to operate a sports book are issued in the state despite it theoretically being legal to issue one.  I agree in terms of state actions in game it's easy to just make it a flip-switch, but for researching start conditions for starting years it might prove difficult is what I was thinking.