vcczar Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 The 3rd category is "Diplomatic Accomplishments." It's up to you to determine what the name of this category means. However, I should note that I mean for this category to encompass foreign affairs outside of warfare, except for peace treatise involving war. I'll have a separate military category. Your votes will only count if you do all 12 of the rankings that I post. Copy+Paste the names of the president's below. If the president was better than average for "Diplomatic Accomplishments," then put an "*" by their name. If they were below average in this category, then put a # by their name. If they were approximately average, then don't mark them. Washington J Adams Jefferson Madison Monroe JQ Adams Jackson Van Buren WH Harrison Tyler Polk Taylor Fillmore Pierce Buchanan Lincoln A Johnson Grant Hayes Garfield Arthur Cleveland B Harrison McKinley T Roosevelt Taft Wilson Harding Coolidge Hoover FDR Truman Eisenhower JFK LBJ Nixon Ford Carter Reagan Bush I Clinton Bush II Obama Trump Biden @Beetlejuice @Cal @Cenzonico @ConservativeElector2 @DakotaHale @Dobs @Edouard @Fbarbarossa @Hestia @jnewt @JohnGRobertsJr @Kitten @Magnus Rex @Mishfox @MrPotatoTed @Patine @pilight @Pringles @Rezi @Rodja @Sean F Kennedy @The Blood @Timur @vcczar @WVProgressive @Zenobiyl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobs Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 48 minutes ago, vcczar said: Washington * J Adams * Jefferson * Madison * Monroe * JQ Adams Jackson Van Buren # WH Harrison Tyler # Polk Taylor # Fillmore # Pierce Buchanan # Lincoln * A Johnson # Grant * Hayes Garfield Arthur # Cleveland B Harrison McKinley * T Roosevelt * Taft * Wilson # Harding Coolidge * Hoover FDR * Truman * Eisenhower * JFK * LBJ Nixon * Ford * Carter # Reagan * Bush I * Clinton * Bush II * Obama * Trump # Biden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted May 10, 2021 Author Share Posted May 10, 2021 Washington * J Adams * Jefferson # Madison # Monroe * JQ Adams * Jackson Van Buren # WH Harrison Tyler * Polk * Taylor Fillmore * Pierce * Buchanan # Lincoln * A Johnson * Grant * Hayes Garfield Arthur Cleveland B Harrison McKinley T Roosevelt * Taft Wilson * Harding Coolidge * Hoover FDR * Truman * Eisenhower # JFK # LBJ # Nixon * Ford * Carter * Reagan Bush I * Clinton * Bush II # Obama * Trump # Biden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConservativeElector2 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Washington * J Adams * Jefferson * Madison * Monroe * JQ Adams Jackson Van Buren WH Harrison Tyler # Polk Taylor Fillmore Pierce Buchanan # Lincoln A Johnson Grant Hayes * Garfield Arthur Cleveland B Harrison McKinley T Roosevelt Taft Wilson # Harding Coolidge Hoover FDR Truman # Eisenhower JFK LBJ Nixon Ford Carter # Reagan * Bush I * Clinton Bush II * Obama # Trump * Biden # Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobs Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, Patine said: Other than the visit to North Korea The visit to North Korea was very much part of the embarassment of the nation and lowering of our status. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobs Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Patine said: Much better U.S. Presidents visit and make alliances with Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf Monarchies to send and station endless troops to the Middle East and fight conflicts of, "blood for oil," for backward, theocratic, absolute monarchies, it would seem, as a sentiment. Do you condemn those, too, yourself, though? I don't believe I've asked for quite a while, so the question is genuine. Making alliances with Saudi Arabia and Gulf Monarchies? Yes, condemned. Sending troops to the middle east is a bit more of a grey area, depending on what we're talking about. If it's to protect Saudi or American oil interests, condemned. If it's to preserve the self-determination of the Kurds, Kuwaitis, or Israelis (examples) or to defend the human rights of Syrians, Iraqis, or Omanis (also examples), you are more likely to get my attention. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConservativeElector2 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 32 minutes ago, Patine said: I really must ask - I really must, and this is not a personal attack, but a clarification of a bizarre choice that I imagine you'd have few, if any compatriots on - why does Trump, one of the most contentious, unpredictable, volatile, grating-to-deal-with, irresponsible, and blatantly disingenuous in dealing with other world leaders among U.S. Presidents since - oh, Andrew Jackson, at the very least - get positive marks for diplomatic achievements? Other than the visit to North Korea, he embarrassed the nation and lowered it's status and respect abroad immense, even turning it into a source of ridicule in many circles, his disastrous trade wars and border issues had almost entirely negative long-term consequences for the nation, and, even though, yes, he started no new wars, his several blatant and clumsy, "false flag," attempts and threats to other leaders that failed to generate any support made him fall flat utterly as a diplomat... The North Korea stuff was in fact an embarrassment and lowers Trump's diplomatic legacy significantly... the better stuff was the Israel peace policy. With this one can have a different opinion but still acknowledge the good intention. Other than that another + here was definitely ending the so-called Iran nuclear deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVProgressive Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Washington* J Adams# Jefferson* Madison* Monroe* JQ Adams Jackson Van Buren WH Harrison Tyler Polk Taylor Fillmore Pierce Buchanan Lincoln* A Johnson Grant Hayes Garfield Arthur Cleveland B Harrison McKinley T Roosevelt* Taft Wilson# Harding Coolidge Hoover FDR* Truman* Eisenhower JFK* LBJ# Nixon* Ford Carter# Reagan* Bush I* Clinton Bush II# Obama Trump# Biden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConservativeElector2 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Patine said: Israel peace process? You must have a funny idea about how, "peace," is actually accomplished, or, "peace processes," actually work. Unless an unconditional surrender, or at least suing for peace an armistice, after a definite, acknowledged defeat, has been made, a, "peace process," involves both sides yielding significantly for the sake of, "peace." I saw no meaningful yielding, or desire so to do, by Trump, or by Netanyahu. So don't give me this, "peace process," crap, please... Yeah of course you're not satisfied with my response... small steps aren't worthy to be appreciated until we got the full result. Got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted May 10, 2021 Author Share Posted May 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Patine said: Israel peace process? You must have a funny idea about how, "peace," is actually accomplished, or, "peace processes," actually work. Unless an unconditional surrender, or at least suing for peace an armistice, after a definite, acknowledged defeat, has been made, a, "peace process," involves both sides yielding significantly for the sake of, "peace." I saw no meaningful yielding, or desire so to do, by Trump, or by Netanyahu. So don't give me this, "peace process," crap, please... Please respond to the purpose of this thread (fill it out) if you're going to respond to people's responses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pringles Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 Washington* J Adams# Jefferson* Madison* Monroe* JQ Adams Jackson Van Buren WH Harrison Tyler Polk* Taylor Fillmore Pierce Buchanan# Lincoln* A Johnson# Grant* Hayes* Garfield Arthur Cleveland B Harrison McKinley* T Roosevelt* Taft Wilson# Harding Coolidge Hoover FDR* Truman* Eisenhower* JFK* LBJ# Nixon* Ford Carter Reagan* Bush I* Clinton Bush II Obama* Trump# Biden* (So far Biden has put us back on track for diplomacy imo. Solidified our support as a nation for NATO, the UN. Rejoined the WHO, and the Paris Agreement. All things that surely are flawed, but the United States is better off in. In my opinion. Plus our actual allies actually like him... Prime Minister Johnson for example. Merkel. Etc.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pringles Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, Patine said: But then again, is there a single organization, foundation, social, political, or economic alliance or agreement, or even nation or other polity that isn't flawed somehow? I mean, he's not joining BRICS (which is something I wouldn't put above some rabid Trumpist talking heads to suggest the possibility of). Well, I'm the one that said that these organizations are flawed... anything is "flawed." That's the nature of human affairs. Surely something you should be an expert in. And I wouldn't put it past Trump or some idiot to want to join BRICS. I can see Trump doing it though out of love for his 2nd best friend, Vladimir Putin. He might even invite Kim Jong Un... 😛 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pringles Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Patine said: Maybe Putin could even help patch up things up between Trump and Winnie the Pooh after they hurt each others' feelings over trade issues... 😛 Very true... 😳😛 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timur Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 (edited) 18 hours ago, vcczar said: The 3rd category is "Diplomatic Accomplishments." It's up to you to determine what the name of this category means. However, I should note that I mean for this category to encompass foreign affairs outside of warfare, except for peace treatise involving war. I'll have a separate military category. Your votes will only count if you do all 12 of the rankings that I post. Copy+Paste the names of the president's below. If the president was better than average for "Diplomatic Accomplishments," then put an "*" by their name. If they were below average in this category, then put a # by their name. If they were approximately average, then don't mark them. Washington* J Adams Jefferson# Madison Monroe JQ Adams Jackson# Van Buren WH Harrison Tyler* Polk Taylor* Fillmore Pierce* Buchanan* Lincoln* A Johnson* Grant* Hayes* Garfield Arthur Cleveland* B Harrison McKinley* T Roosevelt Taft Wilson* Harding Coolidge Hoover FDR# Truman* Eisenhower JFK* LBJ Nixon Ford Carter# Reagan Bush I* Clinton* Bush II Obama* Trump Biden Edited May 11, 2021 by Timur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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