AMPU Business/Labor

[vcczar]

@A man from Colorado @Arkansas Progressive @bradleyg223 @Cal @ConservativeElector2 @DakotaHale @Dobs @Hestia

@Ich_bin_Tyler @jvikings1 @Mark_W @matthewyoung123 @Murrman104 @MrPotatoTed @OrangeP47 @Pringles @Rezi @Rodja @SilentLiberty @ShortKing @themiddlepolitical @Timur @Vols21 @Willthescout7 @WVProgressive and anyone else interested. 

 

Okay, this is a big one! Forgive the bold, once again. What I think I need now is more Business/Labor things that are: 

- Era of the Future

- Pres Actions or Gov Actions

- That would favor Traditionalists, RW Populists, and Conservatives. Please note that repealing most of these favor them, but I'm trying to think of more things that aren't repealing or reversing one of these. 

 

Business/Labor

 

If No B/L Policies Active:

Business and Labor Policies Left to the States (L-Ind-Default)

 

B/L Policies w/o Preq:

 

Subsidize Drone Use for Business (L-Fut)

Subsidize Lab-Grown Meat (L-Fut)

Relocate Workers from Overpopulated Cities to Federally Purchased Farms (L-Ide)

Ban Requirement that Employees Pay a Union Due (L-Ide)

Ban Employer from Delivering Anti-Union Messages (L-Ide)

Federal Jobs for Impoverished and Unemployed (L-Ide)

Full Employment Program (L-Ide)
Full Employment Act (L-Neo)

Ban Labor Unions from Having Communist Officers (L-Ide)

Subsidize Drilling on Federal Land (L-Neo)

Subsidize Off-shore Drilling (L-Neo)

Whistleblowers Protection Act (L-Neo)

Prevailing Wages for Federal Public Works Workers (L-Norm)

Taft-Hartley Act (L-Norm)

Subsidize Keystone and XL Pipelines (L-Pop)

Abolish Unpaid Internships and Unpaid Labor (L-Pop)

Extend Labor Rights to All Persons Working for Another Person (L-Pop)

Require Mega Corp to Allow Employees to Elect 40% of Board Members (L-Pop)

Establish Nationwide Right to Work Laws (L-Pop)

Abolish State Right to Work Laws (L-Pop)

Guaranteed Minimum Income (L-Pop)

Mandate that College Athletes are Paid (L-Pop)

Introduce Min Wage at 25 cents (L-Prog)

Federal Employment Compensation Act (L-Prog)

Wagner Act (L-Prog)

Allow Labor Unions to Go On Strike (L-Prog)

Require Businesses to Hire Labor Union Employees Only (L-Prog)

Require Employees to Join a Labor Union (L-Prog)

Ban Employers from Interfering in Formation of Labor Unions (L-Prog)

LaGuardia Act (L-Prog)

Guarantee the Right of Private Employees to Form Labor Unions (L-Prog)

Ban Labor Unions Run by Companies (L-Prog)

Federal Jobs Guarantee (L-Prog)

Apply 40 Hour Work Week to Private Companies (L-Prog)

Apply 8 Hour Work Day to Private Companies (L-Prog)

Apply Overtime Pay to Private Companies (L-Prog)

Ban Courts from Acting Against Non-Violent Labor Disputes (L-Prog)

National Child Labor Ban Amendment (L-Prog)

Block States from Setting their Own Higher Min Wage (L-Ter)

Ban Private Companies in Space (L-Fut)

Federal 40 Hour Week (L-Gild)

Federal 8-Hour Work Day (L-Gild)

Federal Overtime Pay (L-Gild)

Regulate the Internal Affairs of Labor Unions (L-Nuc)

Job Corps (L-Nuc)

National Labor Relations Board (P-Ide)

Pro-Labor Over Business (P-Prog)

Pro-Business Over Labor (P-Prog)

Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (P-Ide)

Establish State Overtime Pay (G-Ide)

Improve a State Industry (G-Ind)

Neglect a State Industry (G-Ind)

Decrease State Gov Jobs (G-Nat)

Increase State Gov Jobs (G-Nat)

Strong Labor Unions (G-Gild)

Establish State Minimum Wage (G-Ide)

State Right to Work (G-Gild)

First Factory Strike Ever Over 10-Hour Work Week (S-Dem)

First US Labor Union formed in Philadelphia (S-Fed)

Coal Strike of 1902 (S-Prog)

Labor Movement (S-Gild)

Manufacturing Spreads (S-Fed)

Knights of Labor (S-Gild)

British Parliament Restrict Child Labor (S-Dem)

8-Hour Work Day March in Australia (S-Dem)

NJ Becomes First State to Legalize Labor Unions (S-Gild)

United Mine Workers (S-Gild)

Gen Electric Replaces Some Workers w/ Robots (S-Nuc)

 

If no Minimum Wage Active

No Federal Minimum Wage (L-Ind-Default)

 

Preq: Manufacturing Spreads

• Manufacturing Spreads II

  • Manufacturing Spreads III (S-Nat)

 

Preq: AFL exist and Labor Unions not Outlawed

• AFL-CIO (S-Luc)

 

Preq: More than two prereqs

• Haymarket Affair (S-Gild)

 

Preq: Labor Movement has occurred

• US Sees 1,200 Strikes in One Year (S-Gild)

• Pullman Strike (S-Gild)

• American Federation of Labor (S-Gild)

 

Preq: Intercontinental RR was built

• Great Railroad Strike (S-Gild)

 

Preq: Economic Meter is better than Stagnant

• End of Indentured Servitude (S-Rep)

• Golden Age of Productivity (S-Gild)

 

Preq: Economic Meter Better than Stagnant and WWII Ends

• US Productivity at Historic High (S-Nuc)

 

Preq: NAFTA and China Thaw occurred

• US Losing Jobs Overseas (S-Neo)

 

Preq: NAFTA and China Joins WTO

• US Manufacturing at Nadir

 

Preq: State Minimum Wage active

• Raise State Min Wage (L-Ide)

 

Preq: Child Labor is Not Banned via Amendment

• Ban Child Labor in Agriculture (L-Prog)

• Limit Use of Child Labor in Factories (L-Prog)

• Keating-Owen Act (L-Prog)

• Ban Child Labor in the Industrial Fields (L-Prog)

• Ban Child Labor in the Mining Industry (L-Prog)

• Ban Child Labor that is “oppressive” (L-Prog)

• Ban Child Labor in Industries with High Injury Rate (L-Gild)

 

Preq: Whistleblower Protection Act active

• Nationwide Whistleblower Protection (L-Pop)

 

Preq: A Minimum Wage is Active

• Raise Min Wage to 75 cents (L-Ide)

• Raise Min Wage to $1 (L-Nuc)

• Raise Min Wage to $1.60 (L-Nuc)

• Raise Min Wage to $2 (L-Neo)

• Raise Min Wage to $3.10 (L-Neo)

• Raise Min Wage to $5.15 (L-Neo)

• Raise Min Wage to $7.25 (L-Ter)

• Raise Min Wage to $10.10 (L-Ter)

• Raise Min Wage to $12 (L-Pop)

• Raise Min Wage to $15 (L-Pop)

• Tie Min Wage to Inflation (L-Neo)

• Set Min Wage Based on Cost of Living (L-Pop)

• Federal 30-Hour Work Week (L-Fut)

 

Preq: Federal 30-hour work week is active

• Apply 30-Hour Work Week to Private Sector (L-Fut)

 

Preq: Any Child Labor Ban is Active

• Allow Employment of Youth from High-Need Families (L-Ter)

 

Preq: Human-AI Augmentation Invented

• Restrict Human-AI Employees (L-Fut)

 

Preq: Robot Era Workforce Crisis has Occurred

• Restrict Robot Employees (L-Fut)

 

Preq: Wealthiest American Declares Company Sovereign Nation

• Ban Corporations from Being Sovereign Nations (L-Fut)

 

Preq: US is Subsidizing a Sea Colony

• Regulate Sea Colony Industry

 

Preq: US controls Brazil

• Subsidize Lumber Industry in Brazil (L-Prog)

 

Preq: Major Resources in Solar System Discovered 

• Subsidize creation of antimatter spacecraft (L-Fut)

 

Preq: Usable Fusion Discovered

• Subsidize Fusion Energy (L-Fut)

 

Preq: Economic Meter is at Recession or Worse

• Create Government Work to Reduce Unemployment (L-Ide)

 

Preq: Economic Meter is at Depression or Worse

• Create WPA (L-Ide)

• Create PWA (L-Ide)

 

Preq: Requires Communist, Fascist, or Theocratic Parties as Major Party

• Ban Women from the Labor Force (L-Norm)

 

Preq: Requires American Communist Party as a Major Party

• Nationalize Labor Unions (L-Norm)

[A man from Colorado]

2 minutes ago, vcczar said:

Preq: Requires Communist, Fascist, or Theocratic Parties as Major Party

• Ban Women from the Labor Force (L-Norm)

 

Ah yes, famously anti-feminist party *Checks notes. * The CPUSA.

[OrangeP47]

Apologies if it's in there, because it's a big chart, but you could have an "alternate route" of sorts where the whole company town-corporate scrip-your home and what not are company owned thing is normalized rather than falling out of favor/being banned.  We went through it once, and it's a major theme of some sci-fi dystopias so it'd work for the era of the future too.

[vcczar]

32 minutes ago, OrangeP47 said:

Apologies if it's in there, because it's a big chart, but you could have an "alternate route" of sorts where the whole company town-corporate scrip-your home and what not are company owned thing is normalized rather than falling out of favor/being banned.  We went through it once, and it's a major theme of some sci-fi dystopias so it'd work for the era of the future too.

I’m having a hard time following what you are saying here. Can you rephrase? Thanks. 

[themiddlepolitical]

42 minutes ago, vcczar said:

@A man from Colorado @Arkansas Progressive @bradleyg223 @Cal @ConservativeElector2 @DakotaHale @Dobs @Hestia

@Ich_bin_Tyler @jvikings1 @Mark_W @matthewyoung123 @Murrman104 @MrPotatoTed @OrangeP47 @Pringles @Rezi @Rodja @SilentLiberty @ShortKing @themiddlepolitical @Timur @Vols21 @Willthescout7 @WVProgressive and anyone else interested. 

 

Okay, this is a big one! Forgive the bold, once again. What I think I need now is more Business/Labor things that are: 

- Era of the Future

- Pres Actions or Gov Actions

- That would favor Traditionalists, RW Populists, and Conservatives. Please note that repealing most of these favor them, but I'm trying to think of more things that aren't repealing or reversing one of these. 

 

Business/Labor

 

If No B/L Policies Active:

Business and Labor Policies Left to the States (L-Ind-Default)

 

B/L Policies w/o Preq:

 

Subsidize Drone Use for Business (L-Fut)

Subsidize Lab-Grown Meat (L-Fut)

Relocate Workers from Overpopulated Cities to Federally Purchased Farms (L-Ide)

Ban Requirement that Employees Pay a Union Due (L-Ide)

Ban Employer from Delivering Anti-Union Messages (L-Ide)

Federal Jobs for Impoverished and Unemployed (L-Ide)

Full Employment Program (L-Ide)
Full Employment Act (L-Neo)

Ban Labor Unions from Having Communist Officers (L-Ide)

Subsidize Drilling on Federal Land (L-Neo)

Subsidize Off-shore Drilling (L-Neo)

Whistleblowers Protection Act (L-Neo)

Prevailing Wages for Federal Public Works Workers (L-Norm)

Taft-Hartley Act (L-Norm)

Subsidize Keystone and XL Pipelines (L-Pop)

Abolish Unpaid Internships and Unpaid Labor (L-Pop)

Extend Labor Rights to All Persons Working for Another Person (L-Pop)

Require Mega Corp to Allow Employees to Elect 40% of Board Members (L-Pop)

Establish Nationwide Right to Work Laws (L-Pop)

Abolish State Right to Work Laws (L-Pop)

Guaranteed Minimum Income (L-Pop)

Mandate that College Athletes are Paid (L-Pop)

Introduce Min Wage at 25 cents (L-Prog)

Federal Employment Compensation Act (L-Prog)

Wagner Act (L-Prog)

Allow Labor Unions to Go On Strike (L-Prog)

Require Businesses to Hire Labor Union Employees Only (L-Prog)

Require Employees to Join a Labor Union (L-Prog)

Ban Employers from Interfering in Formation of Labor Unions (L-Prog)

LaGuardia Act (L-Prog)

Guarantee the Right of Private Employees to Form Labor Unions (L-Prog)

Ban Labor Unions Run by Companies (L-Prog)

Federal Jobs Guarantee (L-Prog)

Apply 40 Hour Work Week to Private Companies (L-Prog)

Apply 8 Hour Work Day to Private Companies (L-Prog)

Apply Overtime Pay to Private Companies (L-Prog)

Ban Courts from Acting Against Non-Violent Labor Disputes (L-Prog)

National Child Labor Ban Amendment (L-Prog)

Block States from Setting their Own Higher Min Wage (L-Ter)

Ban Private Companies in Space (L-Fut)

Federal 40 Hour Week (L-Gild)

Federal 8-Hour Work Day (L-Gild)

Federal Overtime Pay (L-Gild)

Regulate the Internal Affairs of Labor Unions (L-Nuc)

Job Corps (L-Nuc)

National Labor Relations Board (P-Ide)

Pro-Labor Over Business (P-Prog)

Pro-Business Over Labor (P-Prog)

Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (P-Ide)

Establish State Overtime Pay (G-Ide)

Improve a State Industry (G-Ind)

Neglect a State Industry (G-Ind)

Decrease State Gov Jobs (G-Nat)

Increase State Gov Jobs (G-Nat)

Strong Labor Unions (G-Gild)

Establish State Minimum Wage (G-Ide)

State Right to Work (G-Gild)

First Factory Strike Ever Over 10-Hour Work Week (S-Dem)

First US Labor Union formed in Philadelphia (S-Fed)

Coal Strike of 1902 (S-Prog)

Labor Movement (S-Gild)

Manufacturing Spreads (S-Fed)

Knights of Labor (S-Gild)

British Parliament Restrict Child Labor (S-Dem)

8-Hour Work Day March in Australia (S-Dem)

NJ Becomes First State to Legalize Labor Unions (S-Gild)

United Mine Workers (S-Gild)

Gen Electric Replaces Some Workers w/ Robots (S-Nuc)

 

If no Minimum Wage Active

No Federal Minimum Wage (L-Ind-Default)

 

Preq: Manufacturing Spreads

• Manufacturing Spreads II

  • Manufacturing Spreads III (S-Nat)

 

Preq: AFL exist and Labor Unions not Outlawed

• AFL-CIO (S-Luc)

 

Preq: More than two prereqs

• Haymarket Affair (S-Gild)

 

Preq: Labor Movement has occurred

• US Sees 1,200 Strikes in One Year (S-Gild)

• Pullman Strike (S-Gild)

• American Federation of Labor (S-Gild)

 

Preq: Intercontinental RR was built

• Great Railroad Strike (S-Gild)

 

Preq: Economic Meter is better than Stagnant

• End of Indentured Servitude (S-Rep)

• Golden Age of Productivity (S-Gild)

 

Preq: Economic Meter Better than Stagnant and WWII Ends

• US Productivity at Historic High (S-Nuc)

 

Preq: NAFTA and China Thaw occurred

• US Losing Jobs Overseas (S-Neo)

 

Preq: NAFTA and China Joins WTO

• US Manufacturing at Nadir

 

Preq: State Minimum Wage active

• Raise State Min Wage (L-Ide)

 

Preq: Child Labor is Not Banned via Amendment

• Ban Child Labor in Agriculture (L-Prog)

• Limit Use of Child Labor in Factories (L-Prog)

• Keating-Owen Act (L-Prog)

• Ban Child Labor in the Industrial Fields (L-Prog)

• Ban Child Labor in the Mining Industry (L-Prog)

• Ban Child Labor that is “oppressive” (L-Prog)

• Ban Child Labor in Industries with High Injury Rate (L-Gild)

 

Preq: Whistleblower Protection Act active

• Nationwide Whistleblower Protection (L-Pop)

 

Preq: A Minimum Wage is Active

• Raise Min Wage to 75 cents (L-Ide)

• Raise Min Wage to $1 (L-Nuc)

• Raise Min Wage to $1.60 (L-Nuc)

• Raise Min Wage to $2 (L-Neo)

• Raise Min Wage to $3.10 (L-Neo)

• Raise Min Wage to $5.15 (L-Neo)

• Raise Min Wage to $7.25 (L-Ter)

• Raise Min Wage to $10.10 (L-Ter)

• Raise Min Wage to $12 (L-Pop)

• Raise Min Wage to $15 (L-Pop)

• Tie Min Wage to Inflation (L-Neo)

• Set Min Wage Based on Cost of Living (L-Pop)

• Federal 30-Hour Work Week (L-Fut)

 

Preq: Federal 30-hour work week is active

• Apply 30-Hour Work Week to Private Sector (L-Fut)

 

Preq: Any Child Labor Ban is Active

• Allow Employment of Youth from High-Need Families (L-Ter)

 

Preq: Human-AI Augmentation Invented

• Restrict Human-AI Employees (L-Fut)

 

Preq: Robot Era Workforce Crisis has Occurred

• Restrict Robot Employees (L-Fut)

 

Preq: Wealthiest American Declares Company Sovereign Nation

• Ban Corporations from Being Sovereign Nations (L-Fut)

 

Preq: US is Subsidizing a Sea Colony

• Regulate Sea Colony Industry

 

Preq: US controls Brazil

• Subsidize Lumber Industry in Brazil (L-Prog)

 

Preq: Major Resources in Solar System Discovered 

• Subsidize creation of antimatter spacecraft (L-Fut)

 

Preq: Usable Fusion Discovered

• Subsidize Fusion Energy (L-Fut)

 

Preq: Economic Meter is at Recession or Worse

• Create Government Work to Reduce Unemployment (L-Ide)

 

Preq: Economic Meter is at Depression or Worse

• Create WPA (L-Ide)

• Create PWA (L-Ide)

 

Preq: Requires Communist, Fascist, or Theocratic Parties as Major Party

• Ban Women from the Labor Force (L-Norm)

 

Preq: Requires American Communist Party as a Major Party

• Nationalize Labor Unions (L-Norm)

I believe you would also need to add set a 40 hour work week. @vcczar

[OrangeP47]

15 minutes ago, vcczar said:

I’m having a hard time following what you are saying here. Can you rephrase? Thanks. 

During the Progressive Era/Great Depression era, there was a tendency of large companies to force workers to live in company towns and pay in company scrip. IE, workers weren't getting paid real money, but the corporate argument was they were still getting compensated.... with stuff the company fully controlled... so it was a great way to control workers and they were forced to keep their money all within one company because their fake money was only good at the company store etc, if they got fired they were evicted because their boss was their landlord, etc.  Historically a lot of these practices were outlawed.  If you want something that favors the more conservative end of the ideological spectrum, I'm saying you could have alternative laws that actually endorse these practices.  Anti-workers rights, if you will.

[vcczar]

17 minutes ago, themiddlepolitical said:

I believe you would also need to add set a 40 hour work week. @vcczar

That’s in there. 

[themiddlepolitical]

Just now, vcczar said:

That’s in there. 

missed it, thanks!

[vcczar]

1 minute ago, OrangeP47 said:

During the Progressive Era/Great Depression era, there was a tendency of large companies to force workers to live in company towns and pay in company scrip. IE, workers weren't getting paid real money, but the corporate argument was they were still getting compensated.... with stuff the company fully controlled... so it was a great way to control workers and they were forced to keep their money all within one company because their fake money was only good at the company store etc, if they got fired they were evicted because their boss was their landlord, etc.  Historically a lot of these practices were outlawed.  If you want something that favors the more conservative end of the ideological spectrum, I'm saying you could have alternative laws that actually endorse these practices.  Anti-workers rights, if you will.

Oh ok. Didn’t know about the scrip, but knew about the work towns. I’ll consider this. Thanks !

[OrangeP47]

Just now, vcczar said:

Oh ok. Didn’t know about the scrip, but knew about the work towns. I’ll consider this. Thanks !

Yeah, the fake money was actually the larger problem and it's what Congress addressed first historically I believe, especially because company stores were known to refuse to sell to known union sympathizers so like even if they had their meager company scrip, sometimes they couldn't even use it at the one crappy store that accepted it if they got blacklisted, and you could get blacklisted for basically the stupidest pettiest reasons because it's not like the company maintained a fair and honest legal system.  Small rant, but eh, there's potential there, cause like I said, it's a common trope of some sci fi too as many see us backsliding into times like that.

[Pringles]

So I usually haven't given much input here but hopefully I'm understanding what you need here. 

Concerning a policy that may may favor Conservatives... I think a policy option to establish some kind of "National Business-Affairs Board" or something of that nature could be a counterpart to National Labor Relations for example. 

Essentially creating a new agency like the NLRB, except it's focus is on the businessmen. 

And if we want to get a little more unique, maybe something like a nationwide Business Council? That answers and advises the President directly. Even creating a new cabinet position. Secretary of Business.

You could argue other cabinet positions already cover that but I'm just spouting ideas here. 

[Pringles]

1 hour ago, vcczar said:

Business and Labor Policies Left to the States (L-Ind-Default)

 

Also, I was wondering if the default state of no business policies could be dependent on the political makeup of a state itself? Or is this just kind of a placeholder since I mean, there's no business initiatives being done. Hopefully you get what I'm asking. 😛 

[OrangeP47]

13 minutes ago, Pringles said:

So I usually haven't given much input here but hopefully I'm understanding what you need here. 

Concerning a policy that may may favor Conservatives... I think a policy option to establish some kind of "National Business-Affairs Board" or something of that nature could be a counterpart to National Labor Relations for example. 

Essentially creating a new agency like the NLRB, except it's focus is on the businessmen. 

And if we want to get a little more unique, maybe something like a nationwide Business Council? That answers and advises the President directly. Even creating a new cabinet position. Secretary of Business.

You could argue other cabinet positions already cover that but I'm just spouting ideas here. 

I'd argue there's already the Sec of Commerce, but I'd like to +1 a National Business Council as a counterpart to the NLRB. That sounds like a real good addition.

[Pringles]

And finally, here's a hardcore traditionalist policy. 

Legislation that declares that the Interstate Commerce Clause only applies to specific market actors engaged in specific activity, and does not apply to aggregate activity alone.

Note that this legislation should probably only be an option if Wickard v Filburn is decided historically.

Edited April 10, 2022 by Pringles

[Pringles]

One final era of the future/sort of memey idea. But it's happened IRL... pull an El Salvador but turn it up a notch. Completely digitalize the economy and bring forth the new era of Crypto USD. 

[OrangeP47]

2 minutes ago, Pringles said:

One final era of the future/sort of memey idea. But it's happened IRL... pull an El Salvador but turn it up a notch. Completely digitalize the economy and bring forth the new era of Crypto USD. 

I'm not gonna dump on crypto too much, but I just want to make it clear crypto USD is a separate idea from my already proposed electronic USD idea for when you read this vcczar.

[vcczar]

4 minutes ago, Pringles said:

One final era of the future/sort of memey idea. But it's happened IRL... pull an El Salvador but turn it up a notch. Completely digitalize the economy and bring forth the new era of Crypto USD. 

That's a different policy genre. I have that under currency. 

[Pringles]

Nice, alright. Didn't know. 

[Vols21]

Are there actions a Gov or President can do to weaken the unions?

like Andrew Jackson who sent federal troops to break a strike (and several others did this too) or like Reagan who fired the air traffic controllers

[vcczar]

7 hours ago, Vols21 said:

Are there actions a Gov or President can do to weaken the unions?

like Andrew Jackson who sent federal troops to break a strike (and several others did this too) or like Reagan who fired the air traffic controllers

Yes those are on the list. There's also the presidential reactions to the scripted events involving labor unions. I list the events but not the options. It's all above. 

[Arkansas Progressive]

Some more conservative polities.

• Youngstown could be decided that Truman's EO was proper and that the executive can order nationalization thorugh one. 
  • Or for the conservatives, nationalization and sale to private entities

[Timur]

- Raise Minimum wage to $20

- Gold standard, Silver Standard, etc. (This might be in there)

- Treat bitcoin as a legitimate curreny

Copyright

- Permanent Copyright

- 70 years after death

- 50 years after death or 75 years after publication

- 30 years after death

- 50 years after death

- 60 years after death

- 75 years after death

- 80 years after death

- 95 years after death

- 100 yeras after death

- 28 years after publication, 28 years more if copyright renewed

- 14 years after publication, 14 years more if copyright renewed

- End copyright completely

- End copyright for non-commercial uses

 - Ban Let's Plays

 

[matthewyoung123]

Era of the Future Action-

Work from Home Law- If you have the ability to work from home, you can (or perhaps eventually MUST work from home).  Service workers are exempt from this.  This bill word mean benefits for the environment (no driving/commuting), but would also hurt real estate (as there would be no more "offices" to go to).