AMPU Change to What-If Politicians

[vcczar]

I'm adding Scripted Events that allow for the possibility of What-if Politicians entering the game. 

Basically, in a playthrough, you'll have a chance of seeing "Joseph P Kennedy Jr Killed in Battle" a majority of the time. However, there's a chance of "Joseph P Kennedy Jr Returns from Battle to Enter Politics." In which case, he's playable. 

Currently, the mechanism would be that all What-if politicians would be draftable, you just don't know if you'll ever get to play them. 

Geographic, racial, or gender-related politicians politicians. For instance, Fidel Castro, Harriet Tubman, Tecumseh, or Susan B Anthony require expansion or changes to suffrage to occur. Castro needs Cuba taken. Tubman needs votes for both blacks and women. Tecumseh needs citizenship for Native Americans. Susan B Anthony needs votes for women. 

I also have Napoleon who is his own category. He requires being rescued from St. Helena. 

All of these politicians will be draftable, but you don't know if they'll ever be playable. So players will likely draft them towards the end of a draft, even if their overall grade is high. For instance, Napoleon is the highest rated politician in all of AMPU, but the chance of ever getting him is very slim, and he'll be a few years from a likely death by the time you get him. 

I need to make draft rules for this. 

[MrPotatoTed]

Awesome.  Do we need something to address the possibility that someone drafted Joseph P Kennedy Jr and put them on, say, the legislative track instead of the military, which would make it unlikely he'd still die in battle?

Maybe if they do have their "enter the game" event triggered, THEN they become available in the following draft, at the correct age and with whatever their stats at that age should be?
 

[vcczar]

21 minutes ago, MrPotatoTed said:

Awesome.  Do we need something to address the possibility that someone drafted Joseph P Kennedy Jr and put them on, say, the legislative track instead of the military, which would make it unlikely he'd still die in battle?

Maybe if they do have their "enter the game" event triggered, THEN they become available in the following draft, at the correct age and with whatever their stats at that age should be?
 

Nah. It will just be assumed he was a state legislator that served in the war. There were a ton of politicians serving in the military in WWII. They'd take a break from politics to fight to help their political career.

[MrPotatoTed]

Just now, vcczar said:

Nah. It will just be assumed he was a state legislator that served in the war. There were a ton of politicians serving in the military in WWII. They'd take a break from politics to fight to help their political career.

Fair enough.  Does there need to be an actual war active for him to die in it?

[MrPotatoTed]

And should we remove "frail" from the what-if candidates, as the what-if scenario is that they survived whatever canonically killed them at a young age?

[vcczar]

1 minute ago, MrPotatoTed said:

Fair enough.  Does there need to be an actual war active for him to die in it?

Yeah

[vcczar]

Just now, MrPotatoTed said:

And should we remove "frail" from the what-if candidates, as the what-if scenario is that they survived whatever canonically killed them at a young age?

Yeah, I'll have to do that for all politicians that died early from non-health reasons. It was just easier to tag all the people that die before the age of 60. Exceptions are people assumed to have had bad health but happened to have been killed anyway--Lincoln and JFK. Both seemed likely to die by age 60 according to some historian-doctors.

[OrangeP47]

3 hours ago, vcczar said:

I'm adding Scripted Events that allow for the possibility of What-if Politicians entering the game. 

Basically, in a playthrough, you'll have a chance of seeing "Joseph P Kennedy Jr Killed in Battle" a majority of the time. However, there's a chance of "Joseph P Kennedy Jr Returns from Battle to Enter Politics." In which case, he's playable. 

Currently, the mechanism would be that all What-if politicians would be draftable, you just don't know if you'll ever get to play them. 

Geographic, racial, or gender-related politicians politicians. For instance, Fidel Castro, Harriet Tubman, Tecumseh, or Susan B Anthony require expansion or changes to suffrage to occur. Castro needs Cuba taken. Tubman needs votes for both blacks and women. Tecumseh needs citizenship for Native Americans. Susan B Anthony needs votes for women. 

I also have Napoleon who is his own category. He requires being rescued from St. Helena. 

All of these politicians will be draftable, but you don't know if they'll ever be playable. So players will likely draft them towards the end of a draft, even if their overall grade is high. For instance, Napoleon is the highest rated politician in all of AMPU, but the chance of ever getting him is very slim, and he'll be a few years from a likely death by the time you get him. 

I need to make draft rules for this. 

I say this half sarcastically, but what if Castro gets drafted by the Yankees? (almost happened)  TBH nvm I'll just make a MLB focused mod as the first thing I do post-release.

[vcczar]

List of What-If Politicians in the game

Note: This doesn't include famous women (w/ a few exceptions), Native Americans, blacks, or leaders from ahistorical states that could join.

• JFK Jr 
• Tallulah Bankhead 
• Rosa Parks 
• Margaret Sanger 
• Lady Bird Johnson 
• Karl Marx
• Marquis de Lafayette
• Emperor Norton
• Thomas Penn
• Tadeusz Kosciuszko
• Joseph P Kennedy Jr
• Winston Churchill
• Nathan Hale
• Quentin Roosevelt
• Tad Lincoln
• Philip Hamilton
• William Franklin
• Boris Johnson
• Willie Lincoln
• Abraham Lincoln II
• Benjamin Pierce II
• William B Travis
• Martin Luther King Jr
• Malcolm X

[OrangeP47]

How fleshed out are ahistorical states? No need to post a list or anything, but just wondering if it's like a handful of pols or if they're all loaded up, or if it depends on the state.

[vcczar]

9 minutes ago, OrangeP47 said:

How fleshed out are ahistorical states? No need to post a list or anything, but just wondering if it's like a handful of pols or if they're all loaded up, or if it depends on the state.

Just a token number of them at the moment. I'll probably rely on eager volunteers willing to add them for fun at some point. For instance, I got like maybe 20 to 25 Canadians. Like 5 to 10 Brazilians. It's definitely not enough but the chance of getting these places is so rare, I wasn't going to spend weeks and weeks on them when I have higher priorities. 

[IloveHistory48599022]

On 5/4/2022 at 1:54 PM, vcczar said:

List of What-If Politicians in the game

Note: This doesn't include famous women (w/ a few exceptions), Native Americans, blacks, or leaders from ahistorical states that could join.

• JFK Jr 
• Tallulah Bankhead 
• Rosa Parks 
• Margaret Sanger 
• Lady Bird Johnson 
• Karl Marx
• Marquis de Lafayette
• Emperor Norton
• Thomas Penn
• Tadeusz Kosciuszko
• Joseph P Kennedy Jr
• Winston Churchill
• Nathan Hale
• Quentin Roosevelt
• Tad Lincoln
• Philip Hamilton
• William Franklin
• Boris Johnson
• Willie Lincoln
• Abraham Lincoln II
• Benjamin Pierce II
• William B Travis
• Martin Luther King Jr
• Malcolm X

Stuff like this only makes the game more replayable

Edited May 5, 2022 by IloveHistory48599022

[eveofanticreation]

List of suggestions for radical or otherwise unorthodox What If Politicians (assuming they're not already in here)

 

LW Populists:

Jim Jones (The flavor-aid cult one, Influential in California politics and his endorsement was highly sought after during the 1970s, wavered in what form of socialism he practiced but could have easily marketed himself as a Christian Socialist, incredibly prone to scandal as his church was an obvious hotbed of all sorts of abuse and violence, very charismatic)

Vito Marcantonio (probably already here, Republican Socialist Congressman in the 1930s-50s who later joined an offshoot of the Socialist Party of America)

Frank Zeidler (Socialist mayor of Milwaukee from 1948 to 1960)

Tom Kahn (Socialist activist from New York who worked for Scoop Jackson and became somewhat influential in the Civil Rights and especially the Labor Movement and AFL-CIO specifically, surprisingly an Anti-Communist hawk which could help him in a Cold War game, also fought for gay rights and died of AIDS which could hurt him in a traditionalist national environment)

Moderate Conservative:

Ted Bundy (The serial killer was a Rockefeller staffer in 68 and was even one of his delegates that year at the RNC, worked as a GOP staffer for a while after that and some of his associates though he might have entered politics, like Jim Jones he should be incredibly prone to scandal due to his violent tendencies, his charisma is debatable and seems to have been overblown by the media coverage of him)

RW Populists: 

Robert Rice Reynolds (U.S. Senator, Isolationist, Pro-Nazi and Fascist Democrat from North Carolina, New Dealer, allowed fascist subversives to use his franking privileges, hated the English and supported the Fortress America policy 1935-1945)

Ellison "Cotton Ed" Smith (Early 20th century segregationist and far right politician with a penchant for dramatic and sometimes violent publicity stunts, U.S. Senator from South Carolina, veered towards isolationism and appears to have flirted with fascism towards his defeat and death in 1944)

John E. Rankin (Another violently racist Southerner, this time a Congressman from Mississippi, he said the N word on the House floor and helped pass the bill that created concentration camps for Japanese-Americans during WW2, accused Albert Einstein of being a communist and was anti-Semitic)

 

There's a lot more I can probably find but these are some of the highlights from off the top of my head.

 

Edited June 11, 2022 by eveofanticreation

[vcczar]

6 minutes ago, eveofanticreation said:

List of suggestions for radical or otherwise unorthodox What If Politicians (assuming they're not already in here)

 

LW Populists:

Jim Jones (The flavor-aid cult one, Influential in California politics and his endorsement was highly sought after during the 1970s, wavered in what form of socialism he practiced but could have easily marketed himself as a Christian Socialist, incredibly prone to scandal as his church was an obvious hotbed of all sorts of abuse and violence, very charismatic)

Vito Marcantonio (probably already here, Republican Socialist Congressman in the 1930s-50s who later joined an offshoot of the Socialist Party of America)

Frank Zeidler (Socialist mayor of Milwaukee from 1948 to 1960)

Tom Kahn (Socialist activist from New York who worked for Scoop Jackson and became somewhat influential in the Civil Rights and especially the Labor Movement and AFL-CIO specifically, surprisingly an Anti-Communist hawk which could help him in a Cold War game, also fought for gay rights and died of AIDS which could hurt him in a traditionalist national environment)

Moderate Conservative:

Ted Bundy (The serial killer was a Rockefeller staffer in 68 and was even one of his delegates that year at the RNC, worked as a GOP staffer for a while after that and some of his associates though he might have entered politics, like Jim Jones he should be incredibly prone to scandal due to his violent tendencies, his charisma is debatable and seems to have been overblown by the media coverage of him)

RW Populists: 

Robert Rice Reynolds (U.S. Senator, Isolationist, Pro-Nazi and Fascist Democrat from North Carolina, New Dealer, allowed fascist subversives to use his franking privileges, hated the English and supported the Fortress America policy 1935-1945)

Ellison "Cotton Ed" Smith (Early 20th century segregationist and far right politician with a penchant for dramatic and sometimes violent publicity stunts, U.S. Senator from South Carolina, veered towards isolationism and appears to have flirted with fascism towards his defeat and death in 1944)

John E. Rankin (Another violently racist Southerner, this time a Congressman from Mississippi, he said the N word on the House floor and helped pass the bill that created concentration camps for Japanese-Americans during WW2, accused Albert Einstein of being a communist and was anti-Semitic)

 

There's a lot more I can probably find but these are some of the highlights from off the top of my head.

 

Three, possibly four of the people are in the game.