vcczar Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 How many of you have done iSideWith? https://www.isidewith.com/ I'm sort of retaking it as I can't get into my old results, but so far I'm 93% Socialist and Green 92% Democrat 87% Transhumanist and Peace & Freedom 39% Libertarian 4% Constitution 2% Republican In addition to this, I side with the following... AOC 94% of the time Sanders 93% K Harris 93% Warren 92% H Clinton 92% Buttigieg 90% Biden 84% Musk 65% Gabbard 65% Ron Paul 11% Rand Paul 10% Trump 10% Cruz 3% DeSantis 1% All of this will likely change once I finish all the quiz questions but I'd imagine this is mostly correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVProgressive Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 According to my test, my most similar politicians are; Tulsi Gabbard - 79% Elon Musk - 78% Mark Cuban - 71% Pete Buttigieg - 70% Joe Biden - 70% Donald Trump - 66% Kamala Harris - 63% Nikki Haley - 63% Candace Owens - 63% Amy Klobuchar - 62% Bernie Sanders - 61% Tucker Carlson - 60% Elizabeth Warren - 58% AOC - 56% Mike Pence - 55% Ben Shapiro - 51% Marco Rubio - 49% Ron DeSantis - 46% Ted Cruz - 44% Rand Paul - 34% And my most similar parties are; American Solidarity - 82% Transhumanist - 67% Democratic - 65% Peace&Freedom - 60% Socialist - 53% Green - 53% Republican - 50% Constitution - 39% Libertarian - 16% Not the result I expected, but I can understand how I got there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted May 24, 2022 Author Share Posted May 24, 2022 15 minutes ago, WVProgressive said: According to my test, my most similar politicians are; Tulsi Gabbard - 79% Elon Musk - 78% Mark Cuban - 71% Pete Buttigieg - 70% Joe Biden - 70% Donald Trump - 66% Kamala Harris - 63% Nikki Haley - 63% Candace Owens - 63% Amy Klobuchar - 62% Bernie Sanders - 61% Tucker Carlson - 60% Elizabeth Warren - 58% AOC - 56% Mike Pence - 55% Ben Shapiro - 51% Marco Rubio - 49% Ron DeSantis - 46% Ted Cruz - 44% Rand Paul - 34% And my most similar parties are; American Solidarity - 82% Transhumanist - 67% Democratic - 65% Peace&Freedom - 60% Socialist - 53% Green - 53% Republican - 50% Constitution - 39% Libertarian - 16% Not the result I expected, but I can understand how I got there. That's quite unique. I feel like about 4 years ago you were more in line with Bernie Sanders, but maybe I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted May 24, 2022 Author Share Posted May 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Patine said: I'm kind of wondering where they draw the line to define a, "politician?" I mean, Elon Musk, Mark Cuban, and, in other refences out there, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Oprah Winfrey, Mark Zuckerberg, and the Koch Brothers (now Brother) have never run for office (or only in a very low vote-getting VP run for the Libertarians in 1980 for David Koch), but are just very opinionated and public billionaire corporates. Likewise, Tucker Carlson is just a media talking head who also has never run for office. So, where is the line drawn, as it doesn't seem to be at the formerly standard point where you must've have thrown your hat, formally, into an electoral ring, regardless of success, at some point, anymore? I think non-politicians are considered a politician if the media speculates that they may have ambitions for political office or if they are politically opinionated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVProgressive Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 18 minutes ago, vcczar said: That's quite unique. I feel like about 4 years ago you were more in line with Bernie Sanders, but maybe I'm wrong. Yeah, around that time I was a communist, I remember I even had the DDR flag as my pfp for a while there. Definitely not my proudest moment. I think the uniqueness is mostly due to the fact that there's really aren't any politicians who mesh with my ideology. I'm socially conservative(but still pro LGBTQ rights), and economically leftist, and there's a grand totally of 0 major politicians who fit that description. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted May 25, 2022 Author Share Posted May 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, WVProgressive said: Yeah, around that time I was a communist, I remember I even had the DDR flag as my pfp for a while there. Definitely not my proudest moment. I think the uniqueness is mostly due to the fact that there's really aren't any politicians who mesh with my ideology. I'm socially conservative(but still pro LGBTQ rights), and economically leftist, and there's a grand totally of 0 major politicians who fit that description. What caused your ideological shift? Just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakotaHale Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 1 hour ago, WVProgressive said: According to my test, my most similar politicians are; Tulsi Gabbard - 79% Elon Musk - 78% Mark Cuban - 71% Pete Buttigieg - 70% Joe Biden - 70% Donald Trump - 66% Kamala Harris - 63% Nikki Haley - 63% Candace Owens - 63% Amy Klobuchar - 62% Bernie Sanders - 61% Tucker Carlson - 60% Elizabeth Warren - 58% AOC - 56% Mike Pence - 55% Ben Shapiro - 51% Marco Rubio - 49% Ron DeSantis - 46% Ted Cruz - 44% Rand Paul - 34% And my most similar parties are; American Solidarity - 82% Transhumanist - 67% Democratic - 65% Peace&Freedom - 60% Socialist - 53% Green - 53% Republican - 50% Constitution - 39% Libertarian - 16% Not the result I expected, but I can understand how I got there. Seems accurate. Tulsi Gabbard is probably the only person close to you somewhat as she’s a progressive economically, but although I wouldn’t say she’s right wing on social issues (though she has recently expressed a pro life stance) she’s certainly right wing on cultural issues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentLiberty Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 (edited) I'll retake it here in a bit, I haven't done one since 2020. I like the 9values one a bit more though Edit: 9axes I meant. Had it mixed slightly with 8values Edited May 25, 2022 by SilentLiberty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edouard Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 Here's my results, but there were not enough economic questions. 88% Transhumanist Politically Correct • Privacy • Collectivism • Tender • Democratic Socialism 83% Women’s Equality Secular • Big Government • Politically Correct • Multiculturalism • Collectivism • Tender • Keynesian • Pacifism • Globalism • Centralization 79% Peace and Freedom Big Government • Tender • Collectivism • Globalism • Democracy • Regulation • Centralization 79% Democratic Secular • Left Wing • Politically Correct • Environmentalism • Tender • Centralization 76% Green Environmentalism • Left Wing • Democratic Socialism • Tender • Secular • Progressive • Politically Correct • Pacifism • Isolationism • Globalism 70% Socialist Left Wing • Environmentalism • Democratic Socialism • Progressive • Collectivism • Secular • Democracy • Keynesian 39% Constitution Right Wing • Assimilation • Small Government • Nationalism • Laissez-faire • Deregulation 38% Libertarian Anthropocentrism 29% Republican Right Wing • Traditional • Tough • Meritocracy • Capitalism • Anthropocentrism For candidates The following shows the percentage of issues you side with for the candidates running in the 2024 Presidential election. 89% INDEPENDENT Elon Musk Foreign Policy • Social • National Security • Healthcare • Criminal • Transportation • Science • Electoral • Housing • Domestic Policy 88% INDEPENDENT Mark Cuban Creativity • Business Experience • Environmentalism • Centralization • Religious 83% DEMOCRAT Joe Biden Big Government • Collectivism • Secular • Multiculturalism • Environmentalism ••• Politically Correct • Tender • Progressive • Democracy 83% DEMOCRAT Amy Klobuchar Big Government • Keynesian • Centralization • Secular • Collectivism • Left Wing ••• Environmentalism • Democratic Socialism • Regulation • Tender 82% DEMOCRAT Pete Buttigieg Charisma • Communication • Humility • Progressive • Left Wing • Collectivism ••• Multiculturalism • Tender • Politically Correct • Big Government • Globalism • Democracy • Globalization 77% DEMOCRAT Kamala Harris Environmentalism • Left Wing • Secular • Collectivism • Multiculturalism • Progressive ••• Big Government • Centralization • Politically Correct • Tender • Globalism • Pacifism • Democratic Socialism • Democracy • Keynesian • Globalization 77% INDEPENDENT Bernie Sanders Honesty • Determination • Compassion • Left Wing • Progressive • Big Government ••• Secular • Environmentalism • Multiculturalism • Tender • Collectivism • Democratic Socialism • Politically Correct 77% DEMOCRAT Tulsi Gabbard Diplomacy • Health • Foreign Policy Experience • Democracy • Decentralization ••• Environmentalism • Keynesian 74% DEMOCRAT Elizabeth Warren Strategy • Secular • Collectivism • Big Government • Progressive • Left Wing ••• Democracy • Tender • Democratic Socialism • Multiculturalism • Politically Correct 74% DEMOCRAT Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Left Wing • Collectivism • Democracy • Progressive • Democratic Socialism ••• Politically Correct • Globalism • Isolationism 49% REPUBLICAN Rand Paul Accountability • Small Government • Individualism • Capitalism • Isolationism ••• Decentralization • Right Wing • Anthropocentrism • Deregulation 49% REPUBLICAN Ben Shapiro Sense of Humor • Intelligence • Confidence • Individualism • Small Government ••• Decentralization • Religious • Assimilation • Tough • Anthropocentrism • Meritocracy • Deregulation 49% REPUBLICAN Nikki Haley Right Wing • Small Government • Individualism • Religious • Assimilation ••• Traditional • Nationalism • Deregulation • Meritocracy • Militarism • Capitalism 46% REPUBLICAN Mike Pence Patriotism • Right Wing • Traditional • Individualism • Small Government • Tough ••• Nationalism • Meritocracy • Deregulation 46% REPUBLICAN Candace Owens Right Wing • Individualism • Nationalism • Assimilation • Small Government • Tough ••• Anthropocentrism • Decentralization 38% REPUBLICAN Marco Rubio Imperialism • Small Government • Anthropocentrism • Individualism • Tough ••• Religious • Traditional 37% REPUBLICAN Tucker Carlson Individualism • Right Wing • Tough • Meritocracy • Nationalism • Militarism ••• Traditional • Religious • Decentralization • Anthropocentrism • Capitalism • Protectionism 33% REPUBLICAN Ron DeSantis Leadership • Electability • Individualism • Decentralization • Assimilation • Nationalism ••• Anthropocentrism • Laissez-faire 33% REPUBLICAN Donald Trump Toughness • Nationalism • Individualism • Meritocracy • Protectionism ••• Anthropocentrism • Decentralization 33% REPUBLICAN Ted Cruz Small Government • Right Wing • Individualism • Laissez-faire ••• 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentLiberty Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 Mark Cuban - 83% Elon Musk - 81% Tulsi Gabbard - 80% Rand Paul - 75% Candace Owens - 72% Bernie Sanders - 69°% Ron DeSantis - 68% Amy Klobuchar - 67% Ben Shapiro - 65% Nikki Haley - 65% Pete Buttigieg - 64% Elizabeth Warren - 57% AOC - 57% Tucker Carlson - 57% Kamala Harris - 54% Donald Trump - 51% Marco Rubio - 49% Mike Pence - 49% Joe Biden - 48% Ted Cruz - 46% Transhumanist - 86% Libertarian - 77% American Solidarity - 69% Green - 67% Peace and Freedom - 61% Democratic - 56% Socialist - 55% Constitution - 54% Republican - 47% 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVProgressive Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, vcczar said: What caused your ideological shift? Just curious. I'd attribute my conservative turn to me getting far more religious, and spiritual. When I was a Communist, I was also an atheist, whereas now I meditate at least once a week, and I try to do it more often, when I have the time. Over the years I've sought guidance from the Gods on just about every moral (and, by extension, political) question of the day. Through this my views on personal morality became conservative, and by extension my views on societal morality also became more conservative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted May 25, 2022 Author Share Posted May 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, WVProgressive said: I'd attribute my conservative turn to me getting far more religious, and spiritual. When I was a Communist, I was also an atheist, whereas now I meditate at least once a week, and I try to do it more often, when I have the time. Over the years I've sought guidance from the Gods on just about every moral (and, by extension, political) question of the day. Through this my views on personal morality became conservative, and by extension my views on societal morality also became more conservative. Hmm interesting. Why do you think spiritualism shifted you socially conservative rather than liberal? Most of my spiritual, but non-Christian friends are socially liberal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edouard Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 (edited) On 5/24/2022 at 10:37 PM, WVProgressive said: I'd attribute my conservative turn to me getting far more religious, and spiritual. When I was a Communist, I was also an atheist, whereas now I meditate at least once a week, and I try to do it more often, when I have the time. Over the years I've sought guidance from the Gods on just about every moral (and, by extension, political) question of the day. Through this my views on personal morality became conservative, and by extension my views on societal morality also became more conservative. May i ask you if it swayed your views on abortion / same sex marriage or others societal debates such as drugs or euthanasia? Note : I got my answer for same sex marriage, I was wondering for the 3 others too Edited July 19, 2022 by Edouard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pringles Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 I'll take this in a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pringles Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 Isidewith got a lot more messier. It's a clusterfuck. But I do like the content. Why is Candace Owens on here lmao? Anyways, I guess I'm happy for this one. That's my GOVUNUH. I think I definitely need to try this again tomorrow because I scrolled fast and went through the questions pretty quick. Not giving many specific answers. I don't think it's entirely accurate as it might've once been. It just feels like a content overload. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timur Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 (edited) Mine: 71% Mark Cuban 66% Tulsi Gabbard 66% Candace Owens 65% Elon Musk 63% Nikki Hlaey 63% Mike Pence 63% Ben Shapiro 61% Ron DeSantis 57% Ted Cruz 56% Donald Trump 56% Pete Buttigieg 55% Bernie Sanders 55% Marco Rubio 53% Kamala Harris 52% Joe BIden 50% Elizabeth Warren 50% Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez 49% Rand Paul 48% Tucker Carlson 48% Amy Klobuchar --- 81% American Solidarity 60% Republican 57% Constitution 54% Transhumanist 53% Libertarian 51% Democratic 50% Green 48% Socialist 48% Women's Equality 45% Peace and Freedom --- If 2020 74% Brian Carroll 56% Donald Trump 55% Mark Charles 53% Howie Hawkins 51% Jo Jorgensen 50% Joe Biden If 2016 62% Evan McMullin 57% Donald Trump 57% Darrell Castle 57% Zoltan Istvan 56% Gary Johnson 56% Rocky De La Fuente 55% Jill Stein 51% Hilary Clinton 57% Mike Pence 57% Tim Kaine If 2012 68% Mitt Romney 59% Gary Johnson 58% Barack Obama 57% Ron Paul 47% Jill Stein 46% Rocky Anderson If 2008 69% John McCain 68% Ralph Nader 56% Barack Obama 50% Sarah Palin 36% Cynthia McKinney If 2004 62% George W. Bush 59% John Kerry 55% Michael Badnarik 52% David Cobb 48% Michael Peroutka If 2000 67% Pat Buchanan (!?) 63% Al Gore 60% George W. Bush 59% Howard Phillips 55% Harry Browne If 1996 79% Ross Perot 68% John Hagelin 67% Bill Clinton 61% Bob Dole 58% Harry Browne If 1992 77% Ross Perot 64% BIll Clinton 62% George H. W. Bush If 1988 68% George H. W. Bush 60% Ron Paul 54% Michael Dukakis If 1984 66% Ronald Reagan 65% David Bergland 56% Walter Mondale 39% Gus Hall If 1980 66% Ronald Reagan 62% Ed Clark 62% Jimmy Carter 48% John B. Anderson If 1976 66% Jimmy Carter 65% Gerald Ford If 1972 70% Richard Nixon 69% John G. Schmitz (!) 58% George McGovern If 1968 69% George Wallace (!?) 67% Richard Nixon 58% Hubert Humphrey If 1964 63% LBJ 53% Barry Goldwater If 1960 66% Richard Nixon 60% JFK If 1956 71% Dwight D. Eisenhower 56% Adlai Stevenson If 1952 74% Dwight D. Eisenhower 54% Adlai Stevenson 38% Vincent Hallinan If 1948 67% Harry Truman 58% Thomas Dewey 54% Henry Wallace 47% Norman Thomas Edited May 25, 2022 by Timur 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timur Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, vcczar said: How many of you have done iSideWith? https://www.isidewith.com/ I'm sort of retaking it as I can't get into my old results, but so far I'm 93% Socialist and Green 92% Democrat 87% Transhumanist and Peace & Freedom 39% Libertarian 4% Constitution 2% Republican In addition to this, I side with the following... AOC 94% of the time Sanders 93% K Harris 93% Warren 92% H Clinton 92% Buttigieg 90% Biden 84% Musk 65% Gabbard 65% Ron Paul 11% Rand Paul 10% Trump 10% Cruz 3% DeSantis 1% All of this will likely change once I finish all the quiz questions but I'd imagine this is mostly correct. I guess President DeSantis would be one of your worst nightmares. Edited May 25, 2022 by Timur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortKing Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 I wish they only included serious candidates cause I just feel embarrassed seeing Shapiro, Owens, and especially Rand Paul ranked so high on my list. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortKing Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 I side slightly towards secular, moderately towards globalism, moderately towards "politically correct", strongly towards deregulation, moderately towards anthropocentrism, strongly towards globalization, slightly right wing, moderately capitalist, moderately towards multilateralism, moderately libertarian, moderately multicultural, slightly towards privacy, moderately individualist, slightly towards tender vs tough, moderately small government and laissez-faire, strongly meritocratic, slightly progressive and pacifist, moderately imperialist, and moderately towards decentralization, according to ISideWith. Really feels like with so many moderate and slight leanings, it's odd the results for candidates and parties don't reflect as much moderation or centrism that I feel I approach political issues with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVProgressive Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 10 hours ago, Edouard said: May i ask you if it swayed your views on abortion / same sex marriage or others societal debates such as drugs or euthanasia? Note : I got my answer for same sex marriage, I was wondering for the 3 others too Individually I shifted from traditionnal left (SD) to centrist in the last 10 years but I remained about the same on societal issues (left-wing), it's only economically that I shifted to the center. This shift mostly happened before I was 18 and hasn't barely changed since. Yes, it has. When I was an atheist, I was fanatically pro-choice, wanted to legalize all narcotics, and was fine with euthanasia. If I'm being honest, I get a bit ill thinking of how horrendous my opinions were back then. I've posted before on the forum that I am decidedly pro-life from conception to cremation. I am against euthanasia both because it is immoral to kill someone just because they're incurable sick, and also because euthanasia is often used to victimize the sick, the disabled, and the vulnerable. In an ideal world alcohol, and nicotine would be treated with the same scorn, and punishment as marijuana (or, more accurately heroine, or cocaine, given how cancerous alcohol, and nicotine have been to society). Unfortunately, this is not an ideal world. Nonetheless, I believe that any liberalization with regards to drugs, and their abuse is a spiritual, and societal step backwards. 10 hours ago, vcczar said: Hmm interesting. Why do you think spiritualism shifted you socially conservative rather than liberal? Most of my spiritual, but non-Christian friends are socially liberal. For myself, I think it's because I reached my connection with the spiritual world naturally. Most of the time, it seems that the kind of people you mention, socially permissive spiritualists, achieved their 'spiritualism' from drug use. I firmly believes that drugs like dmt can only warp a person's perceptions of the spirit world, not show them the true face of it. This faulty view of the spirit world in turn gives them a faulty view of morality. No offense to your friends... Through communion I have realized that there are a number of virtues that every Human innately recognized as morally righteous. It's a bit hard for me to explain. Let's take Justice as an example. Minerva has shown me that Just Actions, Just Thoughts, and Just Words are essential to being a morally righteous individual, and by extension, a morally righteous society must also be Just. For an example of how my opinions changed due to this revelation, take my opinion on the Death Penalty. I once believed that the death penalty was a human rights violation, but I now believe that in a moral society some actions can never be forgiven, and that the perpetrators of such actions can never be redeemed, and as such the only moral choice is to cast them out from all humanity, and even the physical plane itself, severing their mortal coil, and sending their soul to its proper end. I hope I don't come off as preachy, I'm simply trying to communicate to you what I honestly believe in, the best I can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 I wish you could say "I don't know" for some of the questions. I haven't bothered to read the Paris Climate Accord, for example. I know vaguely that its goal is to benefit the environment but I have no idea what is actually in it so I don't have significant opinions on it. Generally, I'm guided more by my opinion of a candidate than by their platforms. Are they at least as smart as I am (preferably much smarter)? Are they willing to make difficult, potentially unpopular decisions and explain to us what they did and why it was necessary? Do they conduct themselves with at least as much integrity as I conduct myself (preferably much more)? Do they care? This used to make me an independent moderate, until 2016, when the "yes"ses became much harder to find among Republicans. Democrat 75% Green 65% Socialist 64% Peace and Freedom 64% Libertarian 37% Republican 33% Constitution 17% Couldn't find where to get the politician list from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted May 25, 2022 Author Share Posted May 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, WVProgressive said: Most of the time, it seems that the kind of people you mention, socially permissive spiritualists, achieved their 'spiritualism' from drug use. This is a GIGANTIC assumption on your part. The people in question, as far as I know, don't use drugs. Almost all of my friends refrain from drug use aside from coffee, occasional alcohol, possibly very occasional tobacco and marijuana. That is to say, they reached their view of spirituality naturally; yet, their social views on justice and etc would be considered socially liberal....left to far-left. 9 minutes ago, WVProgressive said: take my opinion on the Death Penalty. I once believed that the death penalty was a human rights violation, but I now believe that in a moral society some actions can never be forgiven, and that the perpetrators of such actions can never be redeemed, and as such the only moral choice is to cast them out from all humanity, and even the physical plane itself, severing their mortal coil, and sending their soul to its proper end. I think a lot of people's opposition to the death penalty stems from occasional moments when people are put to death wrongly. Say, someone is wrongly accused or someone is so mentally handicapped that they can barely determine right from wrong by nature. For my own part, being someone that is 0% spiritual (although raised Christian and attended church weekly until I was about 17), I feel my own view of morality, justice, and etc. to be no less than those that attain these views through a supposed higher power. I think to put it simply. I am not certain there is a heaven, so I think it is in our best interest to make one on Earth. I think Just Action are actions aimed for the long-term beneficence of all humankind and for the Earth (since what is good for the Earth is generally good for us). I think Just Thought are thoughts to formulate what becomes these actions. I think Just Words are words aimed at supplementing these actions. I think things that are mostly in opposition to the long-term beneficence of all humankind, even if they are practical at the time, are several corrupting institutions---such as organized religion, political parties, multiple nation states (including borders), social hierarchies, and I'll even go so far as to say, even the current education system (both higher and lower education), and etc. This latter part is very Emersonian, if you've ever read "Self-Reliance." I also believe firmly that hatred is both evil and foolish. With hatred I also mean white supremacy, chosen people mentality (such as America first or islamist fundamentalism). I think love, also, can be evil, depending on how it is used. For instance, if one were to say, "I love myself more than anyone else." or "I love this person more than anyone or anything else," then it creates a kind of imbalance in which favoritism is given to the one over the rest. Good love would be to say, "I love everyone or most people equally." This would then be a source for Just Action to create laws, welfare, jobs, etc. with the idea of long-term beneficence, just laws and rights, etc. This is all just my ideal, and I don't think much of it is practical at the moment. I think before it can be, the world needs to be further secularized and world governments need to be less authoritarian. Nevertheless, my social liberal views come from something other than spiritual since, as I say, I am not spiritual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted May 25, 2022 Author Share Posted May 25, 2022 13 minutes ago, MrPotatoTed said: I wish you could say "I don't know" for some of the questions. I haven't bothered to read the Paris Climate Accord, for example. I know vaguely that its goal is to benefit the environment but I have no idea what is actually in it so I don't have significant opinions on it. Generally, I'm guided more by my opinion of a candidate than by their platforms. Are they at least as smart as I am (preferably much smarter)? Are they willing to make difficult, potentially unpopular decisions and explain to us what they did and why it was necessary? Do they conduct themselves with at least as much integrity as I conduct myself (preferably much more)? Do they care? This used to make me an independent moderate, until 2016, when the "yes"ses became much harder to find among Republicans. Democrat 75% Green 65% Socialist 64% Peace and Freedom 64% Libertarian 37% Republican 33% Constitution 17% Couldn't find where to get the politician list from. I found a page on the website with a list of politicians and clicked them each individually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvikings1 Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 2 hours ago, ShortKing said: I side slightly towards secular, moderately towards globalism, moderately towards "politically correct", strongly towards deregulation, moderately towards anthropocentrism, strongly towards globalization, slightly right wing, moderately capitalist, moderately towards multilateralism, moderately libertarian, moderately multicultural, slightly towards privacy, moderately individualist, slightly towards tender vs tough, moderately small government and laissez-faire, strongly meritocratic, slightly progressive and pacifist, moderately imperialist, and moderately towards decentralization, according to ISideWith. Really feels like with so many moderate and slight leanings, it's odd the results for candidates and parties don't reflect as much moderation or centrism that I feel I approach political issues with. Your stances on individualism, tenderness, privacy, and libertarianism are likely the reason for the percentage with the politicians you got. Those are minority positions amongst current elected Republicans. I am pretty sure that’s why Rand Paul is higher on your list because he’s one of the few who takes those leanings. Probably for Owens and Shapiro too since they are commentators who tend to break from the traditional Republican official. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVProgressive Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, vcczar said: This is a GIGANTIC assumption on your part. The people in question, as far as I know, don't use drugs. Almost all of my friends refrain from drug use aside from coffee, occasional alcohol, possibly very occasional tobacco and marijuana. That is to say, they reached their view of spirituality naturally; yet, their social views on justice and etc would be considered socially liberal....left to far-left. Perhaps I should have put it better. Really, the reason I believe differently from your friends is the same reason I believe differently from a Hindu, or a Catholic, I believe that I am right, and they are wrong on most matters, just as how a Christian would view themselves as being right, and view me as being wrong. 12 minutes ago, vcczar said: I think a lot of people's opposition to the death penalty stems from occasional moments when people are put to death wrongly. Say, someone is wrongly accused or someone is so mentally handicapped that they can barely determine right from wrong by nature. For my own part, being someone that is 0% spiritual (although raised Christian and attended church weekly until I was about 17), I feel my own view of morality, justice, and etc. to be no less than those that attain these views through a supposed higher power. I think to put it simply. I am not certain there is a heaven, so I think it is in our best interest to make one on Earth. I think Just Action are actions aimed for the long-term beneficence of all humankind and for the Earth (since what is good for the Earth is generally good for us). I think Just Thought are thoughts to formulate what becomes these actions. I think Just Words are words aimed at supplementing these actions. I think things that are mostly in opposition to the long-term beneficence of all humankind, even if they are practical at the time, are several corrupting institutions---such as organized religion, political parties, multiple nation states (including borders), social hierarchies, and I'll even go so far as to say, even the current education system (both higher and lower education), and etc. This latter part is very Emersonian, if you've ever read "Self-Reliance." I also believe firmly that hatred is both evil and foolish. With hatred I also mean white supremacy, chosen people mentality (such as America first or islamist fundamentalism). I think love, also, can be evil, depending on how it is used. For instance, if one were to say, "I love myself more than anyone else." or "I love this person more than anyone or anything else," then it creates a kind of imbalance in which favoritism is given to the one over the rest. Good love would be to say, "I love everyone or most people equally." This would then be a source for Just Action to create laws, welfare, jobs, etc. with the idea of long-term beneficence, just laws and rights, etc. This is all just my ideal, and I don't think much of it is practical at the moment. I think before it can be, the world needs to be further secularized and world governments need to be less authoritarian. Nevertheless, my social liberal views come from something other than spiritual since, as I say, I am not spiritual. Let me clarify that Justice is merely one aspect of my morality, not the singular lynchpin. A lot of other things go into determining whether an action/person/society is moral, other than the question of whether it is just, or unjust. To use an example from your post, loving your partner more than you love your neighbor is not immoral. You are supposed to love your family more than everyone else, because strong families are the backbone of a strong society. What would be immoral, however, is loving your wife, and then hating all the rest of humanity. I could give you a run down of what a 'morally ideal Human' would look like according to my beliefs, but I don't want to come off as preachy if that's something you have no interest in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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