Part 19: 100 Most Influential Ranking

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Here's the next part of the 100 most influential rankings. 

Rules:

- Please keep discussion on topic. 

- No trolling. 

- No complaining, although constructive criticism is okay. 

- No personal attacks.

- No commenting without voting. 

Jose de San Martin	Secured the independence of what would become Peru, Chile, and Argentina.
Joseph Bazalgette	Created the first urban sewer system
Joseph Lister	"Father of Modern Surgery" for pioneering antiseptic surgery.
Joseph Smith	Founder of Mormonism (Later Day Saint Movement) in the US; Published the Book of Mormon
Joseph Stalin	Rapidly industrialized Russia into a superpower that both helped end World War II and led to another conflict, as one of the two major powers during the Cold War. Stalinism has often been used as an example to misrepresent Socialism. Russia’s relative strength today is due in part to Stalin’s regime.
Judas Iscariot	According to Biblical tradition, triggered human salvation by betraying Jesus, which allowed for the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Judus is also a symbol that has been used to justify antisemitism worldwide.
Julius Caesar	One of the most studied political and military leaders in history; his life and assassination has been captured in art, literature, and film for centuries; his surname has became a synonym for "Emperor" even though he was only a dictator.
Justinian I	Presided during the resurgence of the Roman Empire under the guise of the Byzantine Empire; Presided during the creation of Justinian's Code, which allowed Christianity to prosper in much of Europe
Karl Benz	Invented the first practical automobile
Karl Marx	Arguably the most influential socio-economical-political theorist; Co-wrote the Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital; Saw Socialism as the antidote for the self-destructive internal tensions caused by capitalism; fundamentally altered politics and political parties worldwide with his emphasis on class conflicts.

[vcczar]

Tons of heavy hitters here. 

[Edouard]

Wasn't Caesar already included?

However voted for him and Marx.

Without Karl Marx, historical changes are pretty big, even for WW2 because Russia's future is definitively changed without Marx's theory.

[OrangeP47]

I kinda almost instantly regretted my vote for Justinian, because upon quick reflection, a lot of his legacy was undone quite quickly on the timescale that matters.  However, going back to the discussion around Alexander the Great, he did lay the foundations for a larger system, even if a lot of his personal gains are moot, so eh, I think I'll stick with it.

[vcczar]

29 minutes ago, Edouard said:

Wasn't Caesar already included?

However voted for him and Marx.

Without Karl Marx, historical changes are pretty big, even for WW2 because Russia's future is definitively changed without Marx's theory.

That was Augustus

[vcczar]

3 or 4 more votes until the next one. 

[vcczar]

Just need 1 more vote. 

[vcczar]

4 hours ago, Patine said:

I have voted. And, I would like to make an insert vote for Joseph Goebbels. As I said in the first of these posts, when addressing Adolf Hitler, he is responsible for arguably more of the ideology, image, and rhetoric of the Third Reich than Hitler. He came up with more content of the Nazi platform than Hitler or Himmler. He hand-picked the symbols of Nazism and the Third Reich, including the swastika, the two lightning bolts of the SS, and the variant of the Teutonic Eagle with it's wings erect outward to it's sides. He was a big proponent of Norse Heathen Polytheist motifs in Nazism and, along with Martin Bormann, planned to completely supplant Christianity in Germany with a tailor-made and revised version of this religion if they had won the war. Also, he engineered a form of propaganda that, in it's base form, devoid of specific context, is still the foundation of most the propaganda used by most Western Nations, as well as Russia, and, ironically, Israel, to this day.

I would also like to urge the inclusion of at least a few of the Popes listed by me and Timur in the Thread 18 of this excercise.

I have popes. We just haven’t gotten to them. I’m going in alphabetical order and they’re under P for Pope

[vcczar]

2 minutes ago, Patine said:

And my about my insert vote for Goebbels, and my rationale, as negative, but profound an influence as he was (and often under the cape of Hitler to many)? You told jvikings1 when you announced this such suggestions would be considered.

They will be. I'll be calling for suggestions after I do my list. 

[DakotaHale]

1 hour ago, Patine said:

And my about my insert vote for Goebbels, and my rationale, as negative, but profound an influence as he was (and often under the cape of Hitler to many)? You told jvikings1 when you announced this such suggestions would be considered.

Based and I would also vote for Goebbels