vcczar Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 Who would make the best president for 2025-2029? Rank them in order from best to worst Joe Biden Donald Trump Kamala Harris Mike Pence Ron DeSantis Pete Buttigieg Elizabeth Warren Bernie Sanders Gavin Newsom Larry Hogan Ted Cruz Tom Cotton Rand Paul Raphael Warnock Cory Booker Gretchen Whitmer Hillary Clinton Mitt Romney Tim Scott Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Marjorie Taylor Greene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted July 19, 2022 Author Share Posted July 19, 2022 42 minutes ago, vcczar said: Who would make the best president for 2025-2029? Rank them in order from best to worst Joe Biden Donald Trump Kamala Harris Mike Pence Ron DeSantis Pete Buttigieg Elizabeth Warren Bernie Sanders Gavin Newsom Larry Hogan Ted Cruz Tom Cotton Rand Paul Raphael Warnock Cory Booker Gretchen Whitmer Hillary Clinton Mitt Romney Tim Scott Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Marjorie Taylor Greene Here's my ranking: Cory Booker Gretchen Whitmer Raphael Warnock *These top 3 are the most electable for Democrats if Biden doesn't run for reelection.* Elizabeth Warren *Ideologically #1 for me* Gavin Newsom *Probably too Californian* Pete Buttigieg *Can't win black vote* Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez *Falls because polarizing* Bernie Sanders *Falls because of age* Joe Biden *Falls because of age* Kamala Harris Hillary Clinton Larry Hogan *Only Republican I'd be okay with as president of these options* Mitt Romney Tim Scott *Anyone from Scott down is horrifying* Ron DeSantis Rand Paul Tom Cotton Mike Pence Donald Trump Ted Cruz Marjorie Taylor Greene 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentLiberty Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Bernie Sanders Mitt Romney Hillary Clinton Gavin Newsom Mike Pence Larry Hogan Gretchen Whitmer Rand Paul Pete Buttigieg AOC Cory Booker Tim Scott Elizabeth Warren Raphael Warnock Ted Cruz Ron DeSantis Donald Trump Tom Cotton Joe Biden Kamala Harris MTG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted July 19, 2022 Author Share Posted July 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, SilentLiberty said: Bernie Sanders Mitt Romney Hillary Clinton Gavin Newsom Mike Pence Larry Hogan Gretchen Whitmer Rand Paul Pete Buttigieg AOC Cory Booker Tim Scott Elizabeth Warren Raphael Warnock Ted Cruz Ron DeSantis Donald Trump Tom Cotton Joe Biden Kamala Harris MTG What is your criteria? This is kind of just all over the place, ideologically and politically. If someone didn't know you, they'd probably assume you used a random name generator to create a random list. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentLiberty Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 minute ago, vcczar said: What is your criteria? This is kind of just all over the place, ideologically and politically. If someone didn't know you, they'd probably assume you used a random name generator to create a random list. Hahaha! Yeah probably that's fair. So my criteria is firstly who I think is the most qualified or who would handle it best(ideology aside) from there it goes who do I think would promote liberties rather than take them away(they all fail to some extent so it then goes based off who would take the least amount away) then I throw in a little bit of my own ideological beliefs. I also consider personality traits. (so for example Hillary is imo the most qualified, but she's not number one because of some of her personality traits and past controversies.) Biden and Trump are the only ones I consider how they handled the job and how the country was/is under them. Trump is lucky that from 17 to 19 inflation wasn't killing the average person(I do recognize the president is not completely responsible for the economy but as James Carville would say it's the economy) So yeah it's a bit all over the place but there is a method to it and I do consider quite a bit. If I was to be ranking the best based off ideology or whatever else it'd look different. But when I hear "best president" those are the qualities I'm looking for. Mainly if one is qualified for the job and the stress. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakotaHale Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 I can really only say that I have a favorable opinion of the top 3. 1. Rand Paul 2. Ron DeSantis 3. Tim Scott 4. Donald Trump 5. Larry Hogan 6. Mitt Romney 7. Pete Buttigieg 8. Tom Cotton 9. Hillary Clinton 10. Gretchen Whitmer 11. Ted Cruz 12. Gavin Newsom 13. Mike Pence 14. Joe Biden 15. Cory Booker 16. Raphael Warnock 17. Kamala Harris 18. Bernie Sanders 19. Elizabeth Warren 20. MTG 21. AOC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezi Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 (edited) Delete Edited July 19, 2022 by Rezi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVProgressive Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Gretchen Whitmer Gavin Newsom Cory Booker Elizabeth Warren Bernie Sanders Pete Buttigieg Larry Hogan Mitt Romney Joe Biden Raphael Warnock Kamala Harris Tim Scott Mike Pence Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Donald Trump Hillary Clinton Rand Paul Ted Cruz Ron DeSantis Tom Cotton Marjorie Taylor Greene 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezi Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Gretchen Whitmer Cory Booker Gavin Newsom Pete Buttigieg Raphael Warnock Bernie Sanders Hillary Clinton Elizabeth Warren Joe Biden Kamala Harris Larry Hogan Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Mitt Romney Tim Scott (Anyone below this point fucking sucks) Mike Pence Ron DeSantis Tom Cotton Ted Cruz Rand Paul Donald Trump Marjorie Taylor Greene 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 hour ago, vcczar said: Pete Buttigieg *Can't win black vote* That's a narrative (largely spread by Biden's people in self-defense) that will be four years old by the start of the next election. You think he doesn't know that? Assuming he wants to run again, he knows that's priority one and is likely already working to rectify it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 36 minutes ago, Patine said: Are Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton serious contenders for candidates in 2024? I usually just hear Clinton's name dropped as a, "boogeywoman," to Democrats in a, "how to lose the next election really bad," rhetoric. Is she a serious contender, though? Has she even expressed any interest at all? And would Tom Cotton and Marjorie Taylor Greene run if Trump was still running? There are no serious contenders right now, other than Joe Biden who announced he is running and Donald Trump who mostly announced he is running. Until further notice, everyone else is hypothetical. I don't think Hillary ever runs again, and I say that as someone who proudly supported her in 2016 even in the primary. But she had her chance and she lost against Donald Trump of all people, so I'd rank her electability as zero despite personally supporting her. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Are we ranking based on how good of a candidate they would be or how good of a President they would be? For example, I'd rank Donald Trump as an extremely strong candidate for the Republican election, but absolute shit as a President. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted July 19, 2022 Author Share Posted July 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, MrPotatoTed said: Are we ranking based on how good of a candidate they would be or how good of a President they would be? For example, I'd rank Donald Trump as an extremely strong candidate for the Republican election, but absolute shit as a President. However you want to rank them. I sort of applied both. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Ranking based on who I think would be the best President, regardless of electability. 1. Pete Buttigieg 2. Hillary Clinton 3. Bernie Sanders 4. Elizabeth Warren 5. Cory Booker 6. Joe Biden 7. Raphael Warnock (Admittedly I don't know a ton about him) 8. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez 9. Gretchen Whitmer (Don't know a ton about her) 10. Kamala Harris 11. Gavin Newsom (Don't know a ton about him) 12. Mitt Romney 13. Larry Hogan 14. Tim Scott 15. Rand Paul 16. Tom Cotton (Don't know a ton about him) 17. Donald Trump (Because his stunning levels of incompetence hold him back from achieving true evil, unlike those I rank below him) 18. Ted Cruz 19. Mike Pence 20. Marjorie Taylor Greene 21. Ron DeSantis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pringles Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 I'm gonna base this off of who I think would perform better than one another as President. Strictly in terms of doing their duty and running the country, and keeping everything afloat and well so to speak. Biden and Kamala are subject to change but anybody above them is somebody, even if I may not like them... is someone who I think would be a lot better off. --- Good Tier --- 1. Mitt Romney 2. Larry Hogan 3. Tim Scott 4. Mike Pence 5. Hillary Clinton --- Decent Enough to Kinda Bad Tier --- 6. Tom Cotton 7. Raphael Warnock 8. Gretchen Whitmer 9. Cory Booker 10. Pete Buttigieg 11. Ted Cruz --- Shit Tier --- 12. Joe Biden - > (Subject to change). 13. Gavin Newsom 14. Kamala Harris- > (Also subject to change). 15. Rand Paul --- Hell Nah Tier --- 16. Ron Desantis 17. Elizabeth Warren 18. Bernie Sanders 19. AOC --- Never set foot near the WH tier --- 20. Donald Trump 21. MTG 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortKing Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 12 hours ago, vcczar said: Who would make the best president for 2025-2029? Rank them in order from best to worst I took this question as just best suited for the moment, not taking into account electoral considerations, breaking them into discrete tiers: People I think have the potential to meet the moment: 1. Mitt Romney 2. Larry Hogan 3. Gretchen Whitmer 4. Tim Scott 5. Mike Pence People I think would do fine in this environment: 6. Ron DeSantis 7. Pete Buttigieg 8. Raphael Warnock 9. Cory Booker 10. Tom Cotton People I think would do fine in a different environment, but would be ill-served in the current moment: 11. Hillary Clinton 12. Elizabeth Warren 13. Gavin Newsom 14. Joe Biden 15. Kamala Harris People I would like to see go away, ideally forever: 16. Bernie Sanders 17. Ted Cruz 18. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez 19. Rand Paul 20. Donald Trump 21. Marjorie Taylor Greene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConservativeElector2 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Mostly awesome people: Tom Cotton Tim Scott Ted Cruz Ron DeSantis Ok, but not perfect: Rand Paul If forced to vote for: Mike Pence Mitt Romney Larry Hogan Donald Trump Kind of honorable opposition these days: Cory Booker Gavin Newsom So bad, they should quit politics: Hillary Clinton Joe Biden Pete Buttigieg Raphael Warnock Gretchen Whitmer Kamala Harris Even worse: Elizabeth Warren Bernie Sanders Complete lunatics, among the saddest epitome of politics nowadays: Marjorie Taylor Greene Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10centjimmy Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 The groupings are really confusing. Was the question who you agreed with politically, who is a good person, or who would be an effective president in 2025? I'm operating with the assumption we're looking for an effective president and try not to let my political preference get in the way. 1. Hillary Clinton 2. Larry Hogan 3. Pete Buttigieg 4. Mitt Romney 5. Joe Biden 6. Tim Scott 7. Elizabeth Warren 8. Mike Pence 9. Gretchen Whitmer 10. Gavin Newsom 12. Kamala Harris 13. Cory Booker 14. Raphael Warnock 15. Bernie Sanders 16. Rand Paul 17. Tie: (Any of these appear unable or unwilling to lead in a collaborative manner) Ted Cruz Tom Cotton Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Marjorie Taylor Greene Donald Trump Ron DeSantis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted July 19, 2022 Author Share Posted July 19, 2022 15 minutes ago, 10centjimmy said: The groupings are really confusing. Was the question who you agreed with politically, who is a good person, or who would be an effective president in 2025? I'm operating with the assumption we're looking for an effective president and try not to let my political preference get in the way. 1. Hillary Clinton 2. Larry Hogan 3. Pete Buttigieg 4. Mitt Romney 5. Joe Biden 6. Tim Scott 7. Elizabeth Warren 8. Mike Pence 9. Gretchen Whitmer 10. Gavin Newsom 12. Kamala Harris 13. Cory Booker 14. Raphael Warnock 15. Bernie Sanders 16. Rand Paul 17. Tie: (Any of these appear unable or unwilling to lead in a collaborative manner) Ted Cruz Tom Cotton Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Marjorie Taylor Greene Donald Trump Ron DeSantis I left the instructions kind of vague on purpose. For me, likely effectiveness, policy, and electability are kind of all pooled together in my response. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConservativeElector2 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 18 minutes ago, 10centjimmy said: The groupings are really confusing. You could read my list without the groupings as well. I did them just for fun and to point out my different feelings about the candidates more clearly. Nonetheless I tried to rank the people within the groups as well, so if you erase them you'll still get the same list. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakotaHale Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Why the DeSantis hate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10centjimmy Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 minute ago, DakotaHale said: Why the DeSantis hate? Can't speak for others, but for me it's the "my way or the highway" mentality he's brought to Florida. He was elected to serve as governor, not emperor. Leading requires compromise in some form or fashion, and he appears to be inflexible. He even fights against a republican legislature because they don't go far or far enough. I think AOC and much of the squad act the same, especially in their calls to overextend executive power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pringles Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, DakotaHale said: Why the DeSantis hate? The first 2-3 years of DeSantis as Governor were not bad. He got things done, and I didn't mind him. He could even be bipartisan. Recently though he's been wading into culture war issues way too much for me. And I don't think that's proper leadership. At least he isn't Trump though. The Culture War is a distraction from real issues. DeSantis is only exploiting it for support among Trump folks, while he's able to unite a lot of anti-trumpers with him (even if he is silent on that front.) Nevertheless, he has traded in being a normal, good conservative governor for another Fox News, culture warrior... boy wonder. Edited July 19, 2022 by Pringles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortKing Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 8 minutes ago, Pringles said: The first 2-3 years of DeSantis as Governor were not bad. He got things done, and I didn't mind him. He could even be bipartisan. Recently though he's been wading into culture war issues way too much for me. And I don't think that's proper leadership. At least he isn't Trump though. The Culture War is a distraction from real issues. DeSantis is only exploiting it for support among Trump folks, while he's able to unite a lot of anti-trumpers with him (even if he is silent on that front.) Nevertheless, he has traded in being a normal, good conservative governor for another Fox News, culture warrior... boy wonder. I largely agree, but I do think he has quite a bit of potential as President. He's been able to work with the legislature on priorities large and small, and quickly, and while I think his approach lately has been too culture war heavy, he retains a 53% approval rating in a state as divided and difficult to govern as Florida, according to Morning Consult. I think he's been pretty savvy about surveying the political landscape and serving his constituents in a way that if he replicates at the federal level, which I think he would, he would emulate the first couple years of his governorship more than the last year or so. He's not my first choice in 2024, but if he is the GOP nominee, I anticipate that I would support him enthusiastically. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pringles Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 7 minutes ago, ShortKing said: I largely agree, but I do think he has quite a bit of potential as President. He's been able to work with the legislature on priorities large and small, and quickly, and while I think his approach lately has been too culture war heavy, he retains a 53% approval rating in a state as divided and difficult to govern as Florida, according to Morning Consult. I think he's been pretty savvy about surveying the political landscape and serving his constituents in a way that if he replicates at the federal level, which I think he would, he would emulate the first couple years of his governorship more than the last year or so. He's not my first choice in 2024, but if he is the GOP nominee, I anticipate that I would support him enthusiastically. Yeah. I would cautiously support him. But anybody except Trump is welcome at this point for me so... 😛 (And MTG obviously since she's in the list.) The fact he can go heavy on the culture war and retain popularity is an interesting statement. For Florida especially. But we'll see what the future holds I suppose. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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