Jump to content
The Political Lounge

The Grassroots Divide: A 1772 Two-Player Populist Showdown


Cal
 Share

Recommended Posts

1 minute ago, Cal said:

Hello and welcome to another playthrough of A More Perfect Union! 

This game begins in 1772 with @Rezi and I as the only players. I have taken the Red Right Wing Populist faction while he has taken the Bloo Left Wing Populist faction. The rest of the factions are not open for human players and will instead be automated via CPU by the two of us. A huge thanks to @MrPotatoTed for setting up a 1772 base sheet for us to use with a few minor modifications. We have just finished resetting the names, undoing the draft from the template, and are getting ready to get started. 

I imagine that Rezi has plans for Daniel Hiester to lead the country again as well. 

No Daniel Hiester.

Thomas Paine 😈

  • Like 1
  • Haha 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

BLOO ACTIVE DRAFT OF 1772

 

First 10 picks

randomizing order...

BlooModCPU:  George Clinton. Mod, value 94

BlooLibCPU: Hugh Williamson, Lib, value 60

BlooConCPU: John Dickinson, Cons, value 69

Rezi: Samuel Adams, LW Pop, value 66

BlooTradCPU: Thomas Jefferson, RW Pop, value 119

 

BlooModCPU: Richard Henry Lee, Cons, value 57

BlooLibCPU:  Cornelius Harnett, Mod, value 35

BlooConCPU: Patrick Henry, Trad, value 73

Rezi: Elias Boudinot, Prog, value 55.

BlooTradCPU: Josiah Bartlett, Cons, value 56

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Inaugural Red Draft

HHCal (RW Populist, Traditionalist, Conservative)
Samuel Huntington (Picked for a Kingmaker!)
Benjamin Lincoln (Picked because he's good at everything)
Jonathan Trumbull Jr (Picked because he's young and good at everything)
William Patterson
Caleb Strong
John McKinly
William Cushing
James Duane
Francis Dana
Gunning Bedford Sr
James Wood
George Mathews
William Moultrie
Paine Wingate
Thomas Fitzsimons
Thomas Bee
Philip Schuyler
Henry Laurens
Alexander Martin
Robert Morris
Samuel Chase
George Read
Daniel Carroll
Isaac Roosevelt I
Henry Lee II
Arthur St. Clare
Benedict Arnold (Patriot) (OUT OF CONSERVATIVES, MAY NOW DRAFT NEXT CLOSEST IDEOLOGY - MODERATES)
Dudley Saltonstall
Theodore Sedgwick
Joshua Clayton
Pierce Butler

RedConCPU (Conservative, Moderate)
Benjamin Franklin (Highest Kingmaker)
John Jay (Highest PV)
Roger Sherman (Highest PV)
Charles Coatesworth Pinckney
Matthew Griswold
Benjamin Chew
John Rutledge
John Lowell
Henry Middleton
John Sullivan
Lewis Morris
Johnathan Trumbell Sr
William Williams
George Clymer
Edmund Trowbridge
Eliphalet Dyer
Ralph Izard
Esek Hopkins
Thomas Tillinghast
John Blair Jr
Tristram Dalton
Rawlins Lowndes
John Witherspoon
James Jones
Charles Lee
William Hindman
John Pickering
Robert H Harrison
Jonathan Elmer
Shearjashub Bourne

RedModCPU (Conservative, Moderate)
George Washington (Highest PV)
John Adams (Highest PV)
Caesar Rodney (Highest with Efficient)
Timothy Pickering
John Langdon
Nathaniel Gorham
Israel Putnam
Richard Stockton
Oliver Wolcott Sr
Edmund Pendleton
John Bartram
Nathanael Greene
Joseph Reed
Thomas Johnson
William Livingston
William Samuel Johnson
Benjamin Huntington
Philemon Dickinson
William Whipple
Andrew Adams
James Otis Jr.
William Alexander
Nicholas Van Dyke
Richard Morris
John Thomas
Richard Adams Jr.
Charles Biddle
Samuel Osgood
Edward Hand

RedLibCPU (Liberal, Moderate)
Thomas Miffin (Highest with Leadership)
James Wilson (Highest PV)
Benjamin Stoddert (Highest PV)
Artemis Ward
Charles Wilson Peale
James Bowdoin
William Moore
Thomas Willing
Charles Carrol of Carrolton
Thomas Collins
Samuel Johnston
Matthew Thornton
Upton Sheredine
William Smallwood
Nicholas Cooke
William Paca
David Rittenhouse
Abraham Whipple
William Hooper
Archibald Bulloch
Haym Saloman
Button Gwinnett
Abner Nash
Silas Deane
Joseph Hewes
Thomas Scott
Robert Goldsborough
Egbert Benson
Casimir Pulaski
James Lloyd

RedProgCPU (LW Populist, Progressive, Liberal)
Oliver Ellsworth (Highest PV)
Thomas McKean (Highest PV)
George Wythe (Highest PV)
Robert Treat Paine
Benjamin Rush
Francis Hopkinson
Daniel of St. Thomas Jennifer
Arthur Lee (NOW OUT OF ALL AVAILABLE IDEOLOGIES AND CAN DRAFT THE NEXT CLOSEST: MODERATES)
William Heath
Daniel Morgan
Samuel Livermore
William Greene Jr
Joseph Warren
Fredrick W von Steuben
George Ross
Francis Lewis
Walter Livingston
Henry Marchant
James Smith
John Bayard
Abiel Foster
Simeon Olcott
John Morton
Thomas Wharton Jr.
John Houstoun
Johnathan Freeman

Edited by Cal
  • Based 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Inaugural Red Career Tracks

HHCal
Private: Pierce Butler
Legislative: Theodore Sedgwick
Governing: 
Judicial: Joshua Clayton
Admin: Caleb Strong
Military: 
Backroom: William Patterson

RedConCPU
Private: Shearjashub Bourne
Legislative: Jonathan Elmer
Governing: 
Judicial: John Jay
Admin: Charles Coatesworth Pinckney
Military: Robert H Harrison
Backroom: 

RedModCPU
Private: James Lloyd
Legislative: Timothy Pickering
Governing: 
Judicial: David Brearly
Admin: Samuel Osgood
Military: Edward Hand
Backroom: 

RedLibCPU
Private: Thomas Mifflin
Legislative: 
Governing: Charles Biddle
Judicial: Egbert Benson
Admin: Benjamin Stoddert
Military: Casimir Pulaski
Backroom: 

RedProgCPU
Private: 
Legislative: Richard Peters
Governing: John Houstoun
Judicial: Oliver Ellsworth
Admin: Benjamin Rush
Military: 
Backroom: Jonathan Freeman

Edited by Cal
Fixed!
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Red Relocations & Ideology Shifts

HHCal
Relocations: None

Ideology shifts:
M --> C
Caleb Strong
Dudley Saltonstall

C --> T
James Wood
George Matthews
Thomas Bee
Arthur St. Clare
Henry Lee II
Isaac Roosevelt I
William Cushing

C --> M
James Duane
Philip Schuyler

T --> C
Benedict Arnold

RedConCPU
Relocations:
None.

Ideology shifts:

Shearjashub Bourne M --> C
John Sullivan M --> C

RedModCPU
Relocations:
Benjamin Huntington CT --> PA

Ideology shifts:
James Lloyd M --> C
Andrew Adams M --> C
James Otis Jr M --> C

RedLibCPU

Relocations:
None.

Ideology shifts:
William Paca M --> C
Abraham Whipple M --> C

RedProgCPU

Relocations:
None.

Ideology shifts:
Richard Peters M --> C

WIP: Must sleep. I work a double tomorrow and the next day so it'll be slow on my end until Monday.

Edited by Cal
Link to comment
Share on other sites

ACTIVE BLOO DRAFT 1772

BlooModCPU:

George Clinton

Richard Henry Lee

Peyton Randolph

Meshech Weare

Alexander McDougall

Return J Meigs Sr

George Muter

John Hanson

Samuel Allyne Otis

Horatio Gates

Philip Livingston

Jeremiah Van Rennselaer

Richard Bache

Thomas Nelson Jr

John Smith

Arthur Middleton

Francis Lightfoot Lee

Thomas Stone

BlooLibCPU:

Hugh Williamson

Cornelius Harnett

Thomas Chittenden

Moses Robinson

John Milton

William Montgomery

John Hart

William Smith

Christopher Gadsden

John Collins

Ethan Allen

Lambert Cadwalader

Thomas Barbour

James Clinton

Benjamin Guerard

John Williston

Richard Montgomery

John Penn

BlooConCPU:

John Dickinson

Patrick Henry

John Hancock

Richard Caswell

John Page

John Archer

Samuel Ashe

Samuel Maclay

Benjamin Harrison V

William Maclay

William Ellery

William Grayson

James Madison Sr

Abraham Yates Jr

William Preston

Johann de Kalb

Hugh Mercer

Robert Howe
Rezi:

Samuel Adams

Elias Boudinot

James Warren

John A Treutlen

Thomas Paine

John Smilie

Amos Singletary

George Bryan

Jonathan Grout

George Taylor

Joseph Stanton Jr

Carter Braxton

BlooTradCPU:

Thomas Jefferson

Josiah Bartlett

Edward Telfair

George Mason

Nathaniel Niles

Charles Scott

Alexander Gillon

William Floyd

Robert Yates

Thomas Sumter

Theodorick Bland

Timothy Bloodworth

Daniel Boone

William Preston

Lachlan McIntosh

Francis Marion

 

Rookie Draft tomorrow

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 hours ago, Cal said:

Red Relocations & Ideology Shifts

HHCal
Relocations: None

Ideology shifts:
M --> C

Caleb Strong

C --> T
James Wood
George Matthews
Thomas Bee
Arthur St. Clare
Henry Lee II
Isaac Roosevelt I
Dudley Saltonstall
William Cushing

C --> M
Joshua Clayton
Gunning Bedford Sr
Thomas Fitzsimons
James Duane
Philip Schuyler
George Read

T --> C
Benedict Arnold

RedConCPU
Relocations:

Ideology shifts:

RedModCPU
Relocations:

Ideology shifts:

RedLibCPU

Relocations:

Ideology shifts:

RedProgCPU

Relocations:

Ideology shifts:

WIP: Must sleep. I work a double tomorrow and the next day so it'll be slow on my end until Monday.

Don't forget, there's now only a % chance (I think 20%?) that ideology shifts are successful.  (And still carry potential penalties even if they fail.)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, MrPotatoTed said:

Don't forget, there's now only a % chance (I think 20%?) that ideology shifts are successful.  (And still carry potential penalties even if they fail.)

Rezi and I are rolling for each other so those rolls have yet to happen. Gotta prevent any accusations of bias 😛 

  • Based 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, Cal said:

Rezi and I are rolling for each other so those rolls have yet to happen. Gotta prevent any accusations of bias 😛 

Party of me is hoping that this devolves into turn after turn of both of you declaring "The totally random rolls say all fail, all gain flip-flopper!" 😛

  • Haha 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

For those wondering: yes, Benedict Arnold will be my faction leader at some point. 

The reason I chose Samuel Huntington as my first draft pick is because he’s a Kingmaker from Connecticut… also where Arnold is from. 

When Arnold is protege’d by Huntington, he’ll gain 1 random skill between Legislative, Governing, and Judicial. So, the opening move will be either he runs for Continental Congress or Connecticut Governor, or if it’s just judicial he’ll have his usual rise through the military. 

Arnold will also gain Labor expertise, but no traits. 

It’s a nice boost to the typical Benedict Arnold start 😛 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

 

ROOKIE BLOO DRAFT 1772

BlooModCPU:

James Sullivan

John Sevier

Robert R Livingston

Henry Southard

Robert Brown

David Bard

Michael Jenifer Stone

Rezi:

Arthur Fenner

Melancton Smith

Jonathan Ingersoll

Daniel Hiester

John Lambert

John Hiester

Thomas Burke

BlooConCPU:

Elbridge Gerry

John Paul Jones

Paul Brigham

John Mathews

John Patten

Aaron Kitchell

John Barry

BlooTradCPU:

Thomas Tudor Tucker

John Tyler Sr

Anthony Wayne

Thomas Heyward Jr

Francis Willis

Squire Boone

BlooLibCPU:

Richard Bassett

Peter Muhlenberg

Gunning Bedford Jr

Robert Brown

Ebenezer Hazard

Cornelius Schoonmaker

Link to comment
Share on other sites

BLOO CAREER TRACK 1772

Rezi: 

Private: Thomas Burke
Legislative:  Jonathan Ingersoll
Governing: John Lambert
Judicial: 
Admin:
Military: 
Backroom: John Hiester

 

BlooModCPU: 

Private:  Robert Brown
Legislative:  Henry Southard
Governing:  David Bard (Ineligible, needs roll)
Judicial:  James Sullivan
Admin:  Robert R Livingston
Military:   John Sevier
Backroom:  Michael Jenifer Stone

BlooConCPU: 

Private:  John Barry
Legislative:  John Patten
Governing:  Elbridge Gerry
Judicial:  Paul Brigham
Admin:  John Mathews (Ineligible, needs roll)
Military:  John Paul Jones
Backroom:  Aaron Kitchell

BlooLibCPU: 

Private:  Cornelius Schoonmaker
Legislative:  Robert Brown
Governing:  Richard Bassett
Judicial:  Gunning Bedford Jr
Admin:  Ebenezer Hazard
Military:  Peter Muhlenberg
Backroom: 

BlooTradCPU: 

Private:  Thomas Heyward Jr
Legislative:  Francis Willis
Governing:  John Tyler Sr
Judicial:  Squire Boone
Admin:  Thomas Tudor Tucker
Military:  Anthony Wayne
Backroom: 

Edited by Rezi
Link to comment
Share on other sites

10 minutes ago, Cal said:

@Rezi don’t forget you can try to put non eligible pols into career tracks and we can roll for their entrance (50% chance IIRC, so you can try to stick Daniel Hiester somewhere if you want)

I know. I just dont wanna 😛 

Edited by Rezi
  • Haha 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Red Kingmakers

HHCal Samuel Huntington (Leadership) will take on Benedict Arnold, Dudley Saltonstall, and Jonathan Trumbull Jr as protégés. 

RedConCPU Benjamin Franklin will take on George Clymer as a protege (highest Gov + Leg + Command).

Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 minutes ago, Cal said:

Red Kingmakers

HHCal Samuel Huntington (Leadership) will take on Benedict Arnold, Dudley Saltonstall, and Jonathan Trumbull Jr as protégés. 

RedConCPU Benjamin Franklin will take on George Clymer as a protege (highest Gov + Leg + Command).

Probably not in the rules, and I respect the game, but I really think one should only be able to activate Kingmaker-protege pairings once per 2 year period. Or the CPU should be doing the same thing as you. Right?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 minutes ago, 10centjimmy said:

Probably not in the rules, and I respect the game, but I really think one should only be able to activate Kingmaker-protege pairings once per 2 year period. Or the CPU should be doing the same thing as you. Right?

The issue is that once a Kingmaker has a protege, they can’t make a new chain because they are an “active” Kingmaker, so the only way to actually utilize it seems to be to activate all protégés at once.

I brought the same concern to V in the 1772 game when I wanted to activate more protégés for a Kingmaker who has gained leadership, and thus more Protege spots, but his opinion then was that when a Kingmaker is active that they can’t activate new protégés. He might be open to changing it nowadays, however.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, Cal said:

The issue is that once a Kingmaker has a protege, they can’t make a new chain because they are an “active” Kingmaker, so the only way to actually utilize it seems to be to activate all protégés at once.

I brought the same concern to V in the 1772 game when I wanted to activate more protégés for a Kingmaker who has gained leadership, and thus more Protege spots, but his opinion then was that when a Kingmaker is active that they can’t activate new protégés. He might be open to changing it nowadays, however.

But the issue with Franklin is that he didn’t have Kingmaker + Leadership that I saw.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, Cal said:

But the issue with Franklin is that he didn’t have Kingmaker + Leadership that I saw.

Read my mind. If that's the case, is there a rule or dice roll that gauges whether the cpu Kingmaker does activate multiple protégés when they do have leadership?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

48 minutes ago, 10centjimmy said:

Read my mind. If that's the case, is there a rule or dice roll that gauges whether the cpu Kingmaker does activate multiple protégés when they do have leadership?

I’d assume they activate the maximum they can at once, as there’s not any downside to doing so and not doing so just gives up free trait gains, skill gains, expertise gains, interest gains, and election bonuses + potential additional points. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share

×
×
  • Create New...