Deep Dive Feedback: Executive Orders & Supreme Court Nomination/Confirmation

[MrPotatoTed]

Hi all,

Planning to finish and finalize 2.3 Nomination processes today.

After that, I'll move to 2.8 which is Executive Office/Executive Orders/Supreme Court nominations, etc.

Please carefully read 2.8 and provide any feedback below so that we can lock 2.8 in place.  Thanks!

[Arkansas Progressive]

Automatic confirmation should be considered if enough factions vote against the president's pick, but the majority leader doesn't "block" the nominee.

[MrPotatoTed]

Now that I've finished 2.3, this is my next focus.  Hopefully won't take as long, this is a much easier section I think.  Especially as I'll probably mostly mirror cabinet confirmation processes for the Supreme Court nominees.

I'm definitely planning to move the "President signs laws/veto procedures" piece over to the legislative session.

If you have any other feedback for this piece, please put it here ASAP.

[Arkansas Progressive]

2 hours ago, MrPotatoTed said:

I'm definitely planning to move the "President signs laws/veto procedures" piece over to the legislative session.

I agree, it makes scoring  so much easier

[Willthescout7]

5 hours ago, MrPotatoTed said:

Now that I've finished 2.3, this is my next focus.  Hopefully won't take as long, this is a much easier section I think.  Especially as I'll probably mostly mirror cabinet confirmation processes for the Supreme Court nominees.

I'm definitely planning to move the "President signs laws/veto procedures" piece over to the legislative session.

If you have any other feedback for this piece, please put it here ASAP.

I think the current confirmation system is fine and doesn't need to be changed. It's not broken. It doesn't happen as often as cabinet nominations and as such will not be as annoying as cabinet votes. 

Once again, I hard disagree and belive thr above reasons are perfectly justify NOT changing it.

 

[Willthescout7]

Another point that should definitely be considered. This game will be competing with several other political games. One of their most requested features is the ability to vote on Supreme Court justices even if the court isn't in the game. Letting players vote on each nominee will help push this game ahead of the pack, and help it sell better.

[Vols21]

Auto confirm ought to require a “compromise” candidate,    Reagan had 2 nominees blocked before going with Rehnquist who was overwhelmingly approved.    It should be a candidate that a majority of the candidates would agree on.   (More moderate, high Judical rating, etc)

in our current playtest, a nominee was voted down for being an extremist (RW) and too young /inexperienced (he was still in law school and J1 rating), so the second choice who was “auto confirmed” was also under 30, Also J1, and this time extreme to the left (LW).    The Senate would likely vote this second candidate down again for the same reasons.

* a second suggestion related to the above would be to have an “age” minimum of 30 to make sure we don’t law students or undergrads being appointed to the court,    And a huge penalty potential if there are under age 40 or maybe 35.    There’s a reason why most are over. 40, and the game should capture that within its scope.   Alternative is to tie to the Judicial rating (J5 - 30, J4 - 35, J3 -40 to appoint without penalty: J2 or J1 would be 45+)

[Willthescout7]

Another thought for why we shouldn't autoconfirm Supreme Court justices: ideology. The Supreme Court can have a major impact on the game. With autoconfirming potentially sneaking extreme ideologies on the court that could have major game ramifications simply because the court makeup wasn't allowed to moderate by voting. If the RW Pop faction is able to sneak people through because they have 3 judicial, then good luck getting desegregation passed for instance. Just a thought I had and another reason j think they should br left up for a vote each time.

[OrangeP47]

17 hours ago, Willthescout7 said:

Another thought for why we shouldn't autoconfirm Supreme Court justices: ideology. The Supreme Court can have a major impact on the game. With autoconfirming potentially sneaking extreme ideologies on the court that could have major game ramifications simply because the court makeup wasn't allowed to moderate by voting. If the RW Pop faction is able to sneak people through because they have 3 judicial, then good luck getting desegregation passed for instance. Just a thought I had and another reason j think they should br left up for a vote each time.

Yeah, I like the way we have the court DECISIONS automated now by ideology, but I feel as if that's an either/or with confirmation automation, not something you can have both of.