Arkansas Progressive Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 (edited) Just a question for those leading a playtest, how should we effectively read the rules (because even with plain writing, we all have different interpretations) @MrPotatoTed @Rezi @Ich_bin_Tyler For me, I've been applying each of the bonuses or malluses (after calculating net changes) on top of each other using candidate ideology, as I assume that is the "pure" way of meter applying. Meters in 1916 (in 2.8, so elections for the 1918 midterms are around the corner) Rev-Budget: 7. Cons +1, Progs -1 Econ-Stab: 7. Nothing Mil-Prep: 8. Nothing Dom-Stab: 7. Nothing Honest-Gov: 5. Nothing Quality of Life: 7. Libs +1 Planet's Health: 8. LW Pop +1 Party Pref: R+3 LW Pop +1 Trads +1 Blue RW Pop +1 Blue Hypothetical AL Gov election William F Aldrich (Mod) Outcome of meters is +3 (party pref). Gov. Charles Henderson (LW Pop) Incumbent is +1 Has media card is +1 +2 from meters (being LW Pop) +5 from AL state bias -1 for president's party midterm penalty Random Die roll was 3 Aldrich, 4 Henderson. Henderson wins 13-6. This makes sense? Edited September 14, 2022 by Arkansas Progressive 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkansas Progressive Posted September 14, 2022 Author Share Posted September 14, 2022 I realized I forgot to apply state bias (Blue +5) which is now 13-6 hehe) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ich_bin_Tyler Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 (edited) Yes, this makes sense to me except Quality and Life and Planet Health wouldn't be active, right? They unlock later on, unless I'm crazy. Edited September 14, 2022 by Ich_bin_Tyler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 I’m at rehearsal right now. Will try to give a detailed explanation of how I do it tonight (which isn’t to say that my way is the right way) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezi Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 56 minutes ago, Arkansas Progressive said: Just a question for those leading a playtest, how should we effectively read the rules (because even with plain writing, we all have different interpretations) @MrPotatoTed @Rezi @Ich_bin_Tyler For me, I've been applying each of the bonuses or malluses (after calculating net changes) on top of each other using candidate ideology, as I assume that is the "pure" way of meter applying. Meters in 1916 (in 2.8, so elections for the 1918 midterms are around the corner) Rev-Budget: 7. Cons +1, Progs -1 Econ-Stab: 7. Nothing Mil-Prep: 8. Nothing Dom-Stab: 7. Nothing Honest-Gov: 5. Nothing Quality of Life: 7. Libs +1 Planet's Health: 8. LW Pop +1 Party Pref: R+3 LW Pop +1 Trads +1 Blue RW Pop +1 Blue Hypothetical AL Gov election William F Aldrich (Mod) Outcome of meters is +3 (party pref). Gov. Charles Henderson (LW Pop) Incumbent is +1 Has media card is +1 +2 from meters (being LW Pop) +5 from AL state bias -1 for president's party midterm penalty Random Die roll was 3 Aldrich, 4 Henderson. Henderson wins 13-6. This makes sense? Just glancing over this, the one notable difference is that Henderson would only get +1 from being LW Pop in my rules, because I don't give ideological enthusiasm bonuses unless it's also the state ideology, as it makes 0 sense for a LW Populist to get a boost in Alabama, no matter how much national Democrats like LW Pops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Rezi said: Just glancing over this, the one notable difference is that Henderson would only get +1 from being LW Pop in my rules, because I don't give ideological enthusiasm bonuses unless it's also the state ideology, as it makes 0 sense for a LW Populist to get a boost in Alabama, no matter how much national Democrats like LW Pops. Yeah, I do it Rezi's way. I think that's how V said to do it forever ago. With the added caveat that I calculate faction ideology enthusiasm from the meters at the end of the lingering phase, not right before elections. That doesn't mean that I'm right of course, that's just how I do it. Edited September 15, 2022 by MrPotatoTed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkansas Progressive Posted September 15, 2022 Author Share Posted September 15, 2022 15 hours ago, Rezi said: Just glancing over this, the one notable difference is that Henderson would only get +1 from being LW Pop in my rules, because I don't give ideological enthusiasm bonuses unless it's also the state ideology, as it makes 0 sense for a LW Populist to get a boost in Alabama, no matter how much national Democrats like LW Pops. 13 hours ago, MrPotatoTed said: Yeah, I do it Rezi's way. I think that's how V said to do it forever ago. With the added caveat that I calculate faction ideology enthusiasm from the meters at the end of the lingering phase, not right before elections. That doesn't mean that I'm right of course, that's just how I do it. I mean that is what happens in the presidential elections, but not from meters. The candidate gets a +1 for having an ideology matching the state's liked ideology Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, Arkansas Progressive said: I mean that is what happens in the presidential elections, but not from meters. The candidate gets a +1 for having an ideology matching the state's liked ideology It's both, I believe. For example, imagine that Conservative enthusiasm is +3 Red, and that a state has a preference for Conservatives. A Red Conservative candidate would get the +3 from enthusiasm, plus a 75% chance of +1 for matching preferred ideology. A Blue Conservative candidate would NOT get the +3 from enthusiasm because Conservatives prefer red. However, they WOULD still get 75% of +1 for matching preferred ideology. Think of Joe Manchin, the closest thing we have to a Conservative blue in modern terms, winning in West Virginia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkansas Progressive Posted September 15, 2022 Author Share Posted September 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, MrPotatoTed said: It's both, I believe. For example, imagine that Conservative enthusiasm is +3 Red, and that a state has a preference for Conservatives. A Red Conservative candidate would get the +3 from enthusiasm, plus a 75% chance of +1 for matching preferred ideology. A Blue Conservative candidate would NOT get the +3 from enthusiasm because Conservatives prefer red. However, they WOULD still get 75% of +1 for matching preferred ideology. Think of Joe Manchin, the closest thing we have to a Conservative blue in modern terms, winning in West Virginia. Yea I get that, annoyingly I did *probably* forget to set up the 75% columns in the elections (this was when the state bias matches were guaranteed) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Yeah, I'd like to really rework how elections work in general, but I don't think I'm going to get that far before September 19th (especially with midterms AND my wife's birthday both happening this weekend, ha) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkansas Progressive Posted September 15, 2022 Author Share Posted September 15, 2022 Just now, MrPotatoTed said: Yeah, I'd like to really rework how elections work in general, but I don't think I'm going to get that far before September 19th (especially with midterms AND my wife's birthday both happening this weekend, ha) 4 day crunch time isn't good. Figured I bring up meters now so I could do it right, since we're almost at the midterms in 1918 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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