vcczar Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 This isn't a long list of president who lost reelection and then ran again: Van Buren in 1844. He was #1 in the ballot at the Dem convention through first 4 ballots. He dropped out after ballot 8 and Polk got the nomination. Van Buren in 1848. He and his supporters bolted out of the convention before the 1st ballot when the Convention created a rule designed to weaken Van Buren's support within his own state, easily the largest state at the time. Van Buren ran 3rd party after that. Cleveland in 1892. He defeated Pres. B Harrison who had defeated him the previous election. Hoover would get delegates in a couple (1936 and 1940) of Conventions after his 1932 defeat, and he expected to be a favorite for the nomination despite that never showing on the ballots. Trump in 2024. He will be the first to attempt in the era of nationwide primaries. The earlier guys were working with a ballot system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakotaHale Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 Holy shit Trump drank water with one hand 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean F Kennedy Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 Trump v DeSantis is about to be hilarious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted November 16, 2022 Author Share Posted November 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, Sean F Kennedy said: Trump v DeSantis is about to be hilarious I think DeSantis beats Trump but Trump sinks any chance of DeSantis winning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezi Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 7 minutes ago, vcczar said: I think DeSantis beats Trump but Trump sinks any chance of DeSantis winning. Hoping and praying for a sequel to the 1912 election 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pringles Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 Welp, here we go again. 😩 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted November 16, 2022 Author Share Posted November 16, 2022 I didn’t watch the speech but most reactions I’m seeing is that it was low energy, like his heart isn’t in it or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hestia Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, vcczar said: I didn’t watch the speech but most reactions I’m seeing is that it was low energy, like his heart isn’t in it or something. That's accurate. I didn't watch the whole thing but I saw some of it and it definitely wasn't Trump 2015-2016 energy or even 2020. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilight Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Rezi said: Hoping and praying for a sequel to the 1912 election Not gonna happen. The laws are such that if you run in the primaries and lose you can't run in the general except in a handful of small states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 6 hours ago, vcczar said: I think DeSantis beats Trump but Trump sinks any chance of DeSantis winning. Hence why my current thought is that DeSantis may be smart enough to sit this one out — he knows he can win but it would be a Pyrrhic victory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezi Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Cal said: Hence why my current thought is that DeSantis may be smart enough to sit this one out — he knows he can win but it would be a Pyrrhic victory. On the other hand, though, you have to strike when the iron is hot, and Desantis' iron is scorching right now. You never know what the situation is gonna look like in 5 years, and I doubt DeSantis remains anywhere near the same level until then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortKing Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 3 hours ago, Rezi said: On the other hand, though, you have to strike when the iron is hot, and Desantis' iron is scorching right now. You never know what the situation is gonna look like in 5 years, and I doubt DeSantis remains anywhere near the same level until then. This is where I land exactly, trying to time a campaign for the perfect circumstances is always foolish because events intervene. Chris Christie was being begged by half the GOP to jump into the race in 2012, but Christie thought 2016 would be a better opportunity for him, and we saw how that turned out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 3 hours ago, Rezi said: On the other hand, though, you have to strike when the iron is hot, and Desantis' iron is scorching right now. You never know what the situation is gonna look like in 5 years, and I doubt DeSantis remains anywhere near the same level until then. Also a good point. DeSantis would have an easier time if he could make the jump to Senate in 2026 after he is term limited as Governor. However, there is no Senate seat open in Florida at that time. He really would be in Christie territory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilight Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 (edited) 18 hours ago, vcczar said: This isn't a long list of president who lost reelection and then ran again: Van Buren in 1844. He was #1 in the ballot at the Dem convention through first 4 ballots. He dropped out after ballot 8 and Polk got the nomination. Van Buren in 1848. He and his supporters bolted out of the convention before the 1st ballot when the Convention created a rule designed to weaken Van Buren's support within his own state, easily the largest state at the time. Van Buren ran 3rd party after that. Cleveland in 1892. He defeated Pres. B Harrison who had defeated him the previous election. Hoover would get delegates in a couple (1936 and 1940) of Conventions after his 1932 defeat, and he expected to be a favorite for the nomination despite that never showing on the ballots. Trump in 2024. He will be the first to attempt in the era of nationwide primaries. The earlier guys were working with a ballot system. US Grant had the most delegates on the first ballot of the 1880 Republican convention; Grant at 304, James Blaine at 284, John Sherman at 93, and the rest to minor candidates. After 35 ballots with little movement the convention settled on a compromise candidate, James Garfield. Edited November 16, 2022 by pilight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted November 16, 2022 Author Share Posted November 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, pilight said: US Grant had the most delegates on the first ballot of the 1880 Republican convention; Grant at 304, James Blaine at 284, John Sherman at 93, and the rest to minor candidates. After 35 ballots with little movement the convention settled on a compromise candidate, James Garfield. Yeah, but he wasn't a defeated president. There's other presidents like Grant that attempted another term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakotaHale Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 I hate to compare Trump to Teddy Roosevelt but I could definitely see a 1912 style election happening. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakotaHale Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 Also I agree with the consensus that he appeared low energy. Also he talks different. Maybe he took a public speaking class or something. 2016 Trump was an extraordinary speaker (if you hated his message, you still have to agree he was a master at getting it out). 2022 Trump is a different man. Old, even. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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