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@matthewyoung123 @Joe303300 @jnewt @Rezi @OrangeP47 and @ebrk85. 

PRESEASON

During this phase, there will be ability adjustments, but I'm not doing that in this playthrough. For future reference, players will have rookie abilities, base abilities, and peak abilities, players will also degrade. 

So for now, owners need to set their starters. Here are the competitive battles for you to make your decisions:

  1. Broncos @Joe303300
    1. Do you go with incumbent QB starter Steve DeBerg or with rookie Dan Marino? Marino is superior in every way.
  2. Cardinals @OrangeP47
    1. Do you stick with the younger QB Neil Lomax as starter or does your team go back to long-time starting QB Jim Hart? Hart is superior only in passing stamina, avoiding sacks, and avoiding fumbles. Lomax is overall a better passer. 
  3. Colts @ebrk85
    1. You have three QBs, but Art Schlichter is the worst QB in the game right now. The real battle is between incumbent Mike Pagel and rookie John Elway. Pagel is only better at avoiding sacks and avoiding fumbles. Elway is a better passer and has a way higher passing stamina and clutch.
  4. Cowboys @Joe303300
    1. Cowboys have 3 QBs. Danny White is the incumbent, and he bests Hogeboom and rookie Blackledge in every passing category. Blackledge is better in avoiding sacks. Hogeboom is better in avoiding fumbles. 
    2. Cowboys also have to pick between two TEs, Doug Cosbie and Billy Joe Dupree. Cosbie gives a higher chance of a higher completion %, while DuPree gives a higher chance of a higher TD%
  5. Dolphins @jnewt
    1. Incumbent QB David Woodley bests rookie Jim Kelly in TD ability and avoiding INTs. Kelly, however, completes more passes, is better at avoiding sacks, has a higher passing stamina, and has a higher clutch ability. 
  6. Falcons @jnewt
    1. You have two RBs who could start. Andrew Williams has slighty better rushing skill than Gerald Riggs, but Gerald Riggs has a higher chance of scoring TDs. Williams has the added bonus of potentially helping the passing game. 
  7. Giants @Rezi
    1. QB Scott Brunner is the historical starter because Phil Simms was injured. However, I have injuries off. Simms is superior in every way except for avoiding sacks and avoiding fumbles. 
  8. Lions @OrangeP47
    1. Two mediocre QBs heres. Hipple is the incumbent, but Danielson is a tad better at gaining passing yards, completing passes, passing stamina, avoiding sacks, and in clutch. Hipple is the same as Danielson in everything else that matters. 
  9. Oilers @Joe303300
    1. You have 3 QBs with Gifford Nielson as the current starter. Backups are Archie Manning (father of Peyton and Eli) and Warren Moon, who you signed from the CFL. Moon is better at racking up yards. Put they are otherwise all identical in passing skill. Manning is slightly more mobile than the other two. Moon has more clutch and passing stamina than the other two. Nielson and Manning are much better at avoiding fumbles than Moon. Overall, Moon is probably the better choice, but you'll want to build a great OL for him in the future to avoid rampant fumbles. 
  10. Raiders @jnewt
    1. Raiders have 3 QBs with two-time SB winner Jim Plunkett as the incumbent. Backups are Marc Wilson and rookie Tony Eason. Plunkett is the better passing, except Eason is better at avoiding INTs and avoiding fumbles.
  11. Rams @ebrk85
    1. Two QBs. Incumbent Ferragamo and backup Jeff Kemp, son of former QB and future 1996 VP nominee Jack Kemp. Kemp is better at racking up yards per pass and avoiding INTS. Ferragamo is much more clutch, has higher passing stamina, and is better at avoiding fumbles. 
  12. Redskins @matthewyoung123
    1. QB Joe Theismann now has competition from rookie Ken O'Brien. O'Brien is better at completing passes and avoiding INTs and in passing stamina. However, Theismann is more clutch, better at avoiding fumbles, and is more mobile.
  13. Saints @OrangeP47
    1. At QB, you have Ken Stabler and Doug Williams, the latter who you picked up as a Free Agent. Stabler is superior in every way except for avoiding INTs, avoiding sacks, and he's more mobile. 
  14. Seahawks @OrangeP47
    1. You have two QBs: incumbent Dave Krieg and former long-time starter Jim Zorn. Krieg is superior in every way except for in avoiding sacks, passing stamina, and avoiding fumbles. 
  15. Vikings @jnewt
    1. You have three QBs. Steve Dils is the incumbent. Wade Wilson will rack up more yards per pass and will complete more passes. Tommy Kramer will get more TDs per pass and avoid more sacks. Steve Dils will avoid more INTs.  Wilson is more mobile. Both Wilson and Kramer have more clutch than Dils. Kramer has the highest passing stamina. Wilson is better at avoiding fumbles. 
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47 minutes ago, vcczar said:

@matthewyoung123 @Joe303300 @jnewt @Rezi @OrangeP47 and @ebrk85. 

PRESEASON

During this phase, there will be ability adjustments, but I'm not doing that in this playthrough. For future reference, players will have rookie abilities, base abilities, and peak abilities, players will also degrade. 

So for now, owners need to set their starters. Here are the competitive battles for you to make your decisions:

  1. Redskins @matthewyoung123
    1. QB Joe Theismann now has competition from rookie Ken O'Brien. O'Brien is better at completing passes and avoiding INTs and in passing stamina. However, Theismann is more clutch, better at avoiding fumbles, and is more mobile.

 O'Brien is better at completions and avoiding INT's and impressed in training camp.  Theismann will start as the backup and be used in late game/close game situations (clutch), and perhaps on Run/Pass option plays where you need a more mobile QB and not a pocket passer.

 

 

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1 hour ago, vcczar said:
  1. Giants @Rezi
    1. QB Scott Brunner is the historical starter because Phil Simms was injured. However, I have injuries off. Simms is superior in every way except for avoiding sacks and avoiding fumbles. 

Set Simms as starter

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6 hours ago, vcczar said:

Colts @ebrk85

  1. You have three QBs, but Art Schlichter is the worst QB in the game right now. The real battle is between incumbent Mike Pagel and rookie John Elway. Pagel is only better at avoiding sacks and avoiding fumbles. Elway is a better passer and has a way higher passing stamina and clutch.

 

The Colts are a bad team so it's time to focus on the future. So with that in mind rookie John Elway will be the starter.

 

6 hours ago, vcczar said:

Rams @ebrk85

  1. Two QBs. Incumbent Ferragamo and backup Jeff Kemp, son of former QB and future 1996 VP nominee Jack Kemp. Kemp is better at racking up yards per pass and avoiding INTS. Ferragamo is much more clutch, has higher passing stamina, and is better at avoiding fumbles. 

 

We will stick with Ferragamo.

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NFC Central Team Boosts

 Bears @Joe303300

  • C Hilgenberg Rush +1 - RB Payton is already at A+, but this protect him from a defender lowering his ability. Hilgenberg will cancel out Lion's DT English's boost on Payton. 
  • G Bortz Rush +1 - Payton is now protected from two defenders lowering his ability. 
  • MLB Singletary decreases opponent's Red Zone Rushing by 1. Effects all RBs in their division. 

Buccaneers @Rezi

  • Zero boosts. The team has only three notable players. 
  • RB Wilder will be effected by Bears MLB Singletary's boost, making Wilder a C- in the Red Zone, rather than a C for this season. Lions DT English decrease's Wilder's rushing by 1, making him a C- in Rushing rather than a C. 

Lions @OrangeP47

  • DT English decreases division opponent's Rushing by 1. 
  • RB Sims loses -1 in Red Zone because of Singletary.  He goes from A- to B+. 

Packers @matthewyoung123

  • Zero boosts. The team has only three notable players. They also have no notable RB, so they avoid penalties as they already have an F in rushing. 

Vikings @jnewt

  • WR Clayton has a rookie of the year like season! He will boost QB Kramer in both Yards per Attempts and in Avoiding Interceptions! Kramer moves from C in both categories to a C+.
  • T Hinton would boost the Rushing ability of a RB, but the team lacks a notable RB. I guess I'll allow it to boost the no name RB from an F to D-. 

That's this division. I'll be moving slowly because I have so many other things to do today. Best non-QB of the division is Vikings rookie WR Mark Clayton as he provides two boosts. Let me add all this to the spreadsheets now. 

 

 

 

 

 

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AFC Central Team Boosts

Bengals @ebrk85

  • WR Curtis has a career year! Two boosts for QB Anderson, who gets +1 in both yards per attempt and avoiding INTs. However, Curtis will just nullify the decrease in avoid INT because of Oilers Browner's boost. 
  • Anderson will get an avoid INT from Steelers Lambert as Curtis can't block to avoid INTs with his boost. 
  • T Munoz gives a +1 rushing boost. As the Bengals lack a notable RB, this just moves the rushing game from an F to a D-
  • Rookie MLB Mecklenburg will have a sack happy season. He will reduce avoid sack to all QBs in the division. 
  • Oilers's Brazile boost has no effect on the Bengals as they lack an RB. 

Browns @Rezi

  • Rookie C Oates provides two boosts! He will reduce avoid sack for QB Brian Sipe and he will boost Red Zone Rushing for RB Pruitt. Bengals's boost from Mecklenburg cancels the avoid sack boost and Brazile's boost cancels out the Red Zone rushing boost for Pruitt. In short, Oates just saved both Sipe and Pruitt. 
  • Avoid INT reduced x2 because of Oilers's Browner and Steelers Lambert

Oilers @Joe303300

  • OLB Brazile stifles the Red Zone rushing for his division opponents. 
  • Rookie S Browner decreases Avoid INT for all division QBs
  • Moon's avoid INT reduced because of Steelers Lambert. 

Steelers @jnewt

  • WR Stallworth will boost QB Bradshaw's yards per attempt +1
  • C Mike Webster's avoid sack boost will cancel out Broncos Mecklenburg's boost
  • MLB Lambert will decrease avoid INTs to all division QBs. 
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AFC West 

Broncos @Joe303300

  • WR Watson provides +1 boost to QB Marino's Comp%; This is canceled out by Raider's Long's boost. 
  • CB Wright will lower avoid INT for all other QBs in the division
  • Chief's Cherry and Raider's Haynes decreases Marino's TD% x2
  • Raider's Alzado has no impact as Broncos lack a notable RB. 
  • Seahawks's Brown will lower Marino's avoid INTs

Chargers @Rezi

  • Rookie T Covert has a once-in-a-lifetime season. He boosts in all three of his possible categories! Fouts gets a boost to avoid sacks. RB Muncie will get boosts to both rushing and red zone rushing! Redzone rushing is canceled out by Raiders DE Alzado
  • Broncos's Wright and Seahawks's Brown will lower Fouts's avoid INT x2
  • Chief's Cherry and Raider's Haynes decreases Fouts's TD% x2
  • Raider's Long decreases Fouts's Comp%

Chiefs @matthewyoung123

  • Rookie G Matthews also has a one-in-a-lifetime season, although Matthews is so skilled this was far more likely. QB Kenney will see his avoid sack boosted. Unfortunately, the Chiefs lack a RB, but the team will go from an F in both rushing categories to a D- nonetheless. A RB is probably the priority for this team. Redzone rushing is canceled out by Raiders DE Alzado
  • S Cherry will decrease the TD% for all other QBs in the division. 
  • Broncos's Wright and Seahawks's Brown will lower Kenney's avoid INT x2
  • Raider's Long decreases Kenney's Comp%
  • Raider's Haynes lowers Kenney's TD% 

Raiders @jnewt

  • RB Allen boosts QB Plunkett's comp%
  • DE Long will lower the comp% of opposing QBs in the division. 
  • DE Alzado will lower the rushing redzone of other RBs in the division
  • CB Haynes lowers TD% of other QBs in the division
  • Chief's Cherry decreases Plunkett's TD%
  • Broncos's Wright and Seahawks's Brown will lower Plunkett's avoid INT x2

Seahawks @OrangeP47

  • RB Warner boosts Krieg's comp% but it is canceled out by Raider Long's boost. 
  • Rookie C Sapolu boosts rookie RB Warner's rushing
  • CB Brown will lower the avoid INT of other QBs in the division. 
  • Raider's Long decreases Krieg's Comp%
  • Raider's Haynes and Chiefs's Cherry's lowers Krieg's TD% x2
  • Bronco's Wright lowers Krieg's avoid INT
  • Raider's Alzado lowers Warner's redzone rushing by 1. 

Defense went nuts in this division! Especially pass defense. 

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NFC West

Falcons @jnewt

  • Falcons fail to have any helpful boosts. 
  • 49ers Dean and Ram's Youngblood lowers Bartkowki's avoid sack x2
  • Rams' Youngblood lowers rushing and red zone rushing for RB Riggs. With Rams' Talley also lowering red zone rushing, Riggs is decreased here x2. 

49ers @matthewyoung123

  • WR Clark boosts Montana's TD%
  • Rookie G Newton boosts both Avoid Sack for Montana and Rushing. They lack a notable RB, but rushing will be boosted from an F to D- at least. Rams' Youngblood's boost cancels out the avoid sack boost and the rushing boost. 
  • DE Dean will decrease Avoid Sack for all other QBs in the division. 

Rams @ebrk85

  • T Slater boosts rookie RB Dickerson's rushing. 
  • DE Youngblood has an INSANE year. He decreased avoid sacks to all other QBs in the division. He decreases both rushing and red zone rushing for all other RBs in the division. 
  • OLB Talley decreases Red Zone rushing for other RBs in the division. 
  • 49ers Dean lowers Ferragamo's avoid sack

Saints @OrangeP47

  • Like the Falcons, no helpful boosts. 
  • 49ers Dean and Ram's Youngblood lowers QB Stabler's avoid sack x2
  • Rams' Youngblood and Talley reduce RB Rogers's red zone rushing x2, while Youngblood also lowers rushing by 1. 
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AFC East

Bills @Rezi

  • Rookie RB Craig boosts QB Ferguson's avoid INT, but his is canceled out by Patriot's Byrd. 
  • Dolphin's Roby and Patriot's Camarillo reduces QB Ferguson's clutch x2

Colts @ebrk85

  • Sadly no positive boosts. QB Elway is kind of screwed. He hasn't a notable RB, WR, or TE. At least, he has a shot at getting the top pick next year. 
  • Dolphin's Roby and Patriot's Camarillo reduces QB Elway's clutch x2
  • Patriot's Byrd reduces QB Elway's avoid INT

Dolphins @jnewt

  • WR Duper has a great season, boosting rookie QB Kelly's yards per attempt and completion abilities!
  • Rookie T Tuinei boosts both QB Kelly's avoid sack but also rookie RB James's redzone rushing! 
  • Rookie P Reggie Roby reduces the clutch of every other QB in the division! 
  • Patriot's Byrd reduces QB Kelly's avoid INT
  • Patriot's Camarillo reduces QB Kelly's clutch

Jets @OrangeP47

  • Rookie C Mosebar boosts QB Todd's avoid sack
  • Dolphin's Roby and Patriot's Camarillo reduces QB Todd's clutch x2
  • Patriot's Byrd reduces QB Todd's avoid INT

Patriots @matthewyoung123

  • Rookie CB Byrd reduces avoid INT of other QBs in the division. 
  • P Camarillo reduces QB clutch of other QBs in the division. 
  • Dolphin's Roby reduces QB Grogan's clutch

This is an interesting scenario. For the first time we get abilities of special teamers firing, and we get two in one division! Overall, I think the Dolphins are in the best shape here. 

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NFC East

Cardinals @OrangeP47

  • WR Green boosts QB Lomax's TDs
  • Giant's Taylor reduces QB Lomax's avoid sack. 
  • Giant's Taylor reduces RB Anderson's redzone rushing
  • Cowboys's White reduces RB Anderson's rushing. 

Cowboys @Joe303300

  • DT White reducing rushing for all division opponents
  • Giant's Taylor reduces QB White's avoid sack. 
  • Giant's Taylor reduces RB Dorsett's redzone rushing

Eagles @ebrk85

  • WR Carmichael boosts QB Jaworski's completion %
  • Cowboys's White reduces RB Montgomery's rushing. 
  • Giant's Taylor reduces QB Jaworski's avoid sack. 
  • Giant's Taylor reduces RB Montgomery's redzone rushing

Giants @Rezi

  • Rookie WR Ellard has a great season, boosting QB Simm's yards per attempt and his avoid INT!
  • OLB Taylor decreasing avoid sack and red zone rushing for all division opponents!
  • Cowboys's White reduces RB Morris's rushing. 

Redskins @matthewyoung123

  • G Grimm boosts RB Riggins redzone rushing, but this is canceled out by Giant's Taylor
  • Giant's Taylor reduces rookie QB O'Brien's avoid sack. 
  • Cowboys's White reduces RB Riggin's rushing. 

Aside from Taylor and White, this division is weak on defensive superstars. Good for the division, but it will hurt the in playoffs, unless you're the Giants. 

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1983 NFL Team Strength #s. These will play a big role in simulating the Regular Season States. Generally, I would sim half the season, then we'd do trades, and then I'd simulate the rest, but considering this is a 1st playthrough, I'm going to have no mid-season trades for now. Otherwise, I'd have to recalculate everything for teams that had trades, and I don't want to do that until the game is more polished. 

Anyway, here are team strengths:

Team Division Total
Bears NFC Central 1066
Raiders AFC West 1049
Rams NFC West 1013
Cowboys NFC East 1000
49ers NFC West 991
Giants NFC East 986
Steelers AFC Central 985
Oilers AFC Central 955
Broncos AFC West 948
Redskins NFC East 942
Browns AFC Central 921
Lions NFC Central 898
Bengals AFC Central 890
Chargers AFC West 887
Seahawks AFC West 887
Vikings NFC Central 885
Patriots AFC East 864
Dolphins AFC East 848
Cardinals NFC East 846
Saints NFC West 843
Eagles NFC East 833
Chiefs AFC West 825
Jets AFC East 817
Falcons NFC West 794
Bills AFC East 787
Packers NFC Central 776
Colts AFC East 772
Buccaneers NFC Central 751

@matthewyoung123 @Joe303300 @jnewt @Rezi @OrangeP47 and @ebrk85. 

I probably won't get to simulating games until tomorrow. 

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@matthewyoung123 @Joe303300 @jnewt @Rezi @OrangeP47 and @ebrk85. 

Regular Season Records!

Note: The bright green denotes division winners, while the duller green are Wild Card teams. All other teams will not be in the playoffs. Historically, the Super Bowl teams were the Raiders and the Redskins, but the latter will miss the playoffs in our history:

Team Division W L
Bears NFC Central 16 0
Raiders AFC West 15 1
Rams NFC West 13 3
49ers NFC West 13 3
Cowboys NFC East 13 3
Steelers AFC Central 13 3
Giants NFC East 12 4
Oilers AFC Central 12 4
Browns AFC Central 12 4
Redskins NFC East 11 5
Bengals AFC Central 10 6
Broncos AFC West 9 7
Vikings NFC Central 8 8
Dolphins AFC East 7 9
Lions NFC Central 6 10
Chargers AFC West 6 10
Seahawks AFC West 6 10
Patriots AFC East 6 10
Saints NFC West 5 11
Cardinals NFC East 5 11
Jets AFC East 5 11
Bills AFC East 4 12
Colts AFC East 4 12
Falcons NFC West 3 13
Eagles NFC East 3 13
Chiefs AFC West 3 13
Packers NFC Central 1 15
Buccaneers NFC Central 1 15

Up next will be the QB stats. Not sure when I'll get to them yet, but possibly tomorrow. 

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21 minutes ago, vcczar said:

@matthewyoung123 @Joe303300 @jnewt @Rezi @OrangeP47 and @ebrk85. 

Regular Season Records!

Note: The bright green denotes division winners, while the duller green are Wild Card teams. All other teams will not be in the playoffs. Historically, the Super Bowl teams were the Raiders and the Redskins, but the latter will miss the playoffs in our history:

 

Team Division W L
Bears NFC Central 16 0
Raiders AFC West 15 1
Rams NFC West 13 3
49ers NFC West 13 3
Cowboys NFC East 13 3
Steelers AFC Central 13 3
Giants NFC East 12 4
Oilers AFC Central 12 4
Browns AFC Central 12 4
Redskins NFC East 11 5
Bengals AFC Central 10 6
Broncos AFC West 9 7
Vikings NFC Central 8 8
Dolphins AFC East 7 9
Lions NFC Central 6 10
Chargers AFC West 6 10
Seahawks AFC West 6 10
Patriots AFC East 6 10
Saints NFC West 5 11
Cardinals NFC East 5 11
Jets AFC East 5 11
Bills AFC East 4 12
Colts AFC East 4 12
Falcons NFC West 3 13
Eagles NFC East 3 13
Chiefs AFC West 3 13
Packers NFC Central 1 15
Buccaneers NFC Central 1 15

Up next will be the QB stats. Not sure when I'll get to them yet, but possibly tomorrow. 

Matt just has the worst luck haha.

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@matthewyoung123 @Joe303300 @jnewt @Rezi @OrangeP47 and @ebrk85. 

1983 QB Stats!

[Note: I failed in attempt to calculate the QB Rating in excel. If you can figure it out with these numbers, then great.]

Season Leaders are in bold. My analysis is below the stats

QBs   Wins Comp% Yards TD INT
49ers Montana, Joe 13 68 4123 35 18
Bears McMahon, Jim 16 63 1668 14 8
Bengals Anderson, Ken 10 63 2450 20 15
Bills Ferguson, Joe 4 54 1380 9 9
Broncos Marino, Dan 9 59 3738 27 21
Browns Sipe, Brian 12 58 1536 10 10
Buccaneers Thompson, Jack 1 43 865 5 12
Cardinals Lomax, Neil 5 55 2160 18 7
Chargers Fouts, Dan 6 56 3304 14 19
Chiefs Kenney, Bill 3 51 3132 10 26
Colts Elway, John 4 54 2765 16 16
Cowboys White, Danny 13 63 2947 25 17
Dolphins Kelly, Jim 7 65 3112 23 16
Eagles Jaworski, Ron 3 55 2250 15 15
Falcons Bartkowski, Steve 3 55 1806 12 12
Giants Simms, Phil 12 56 3143 23 9
Jets Todd, Richard 5 54 2724 18 23
Lions Danielson, Gary 6 55 1194 8 8
Oilers Moon, Warren 12 56 1533 11 9
Packers Dickey, Lynn 1 53 3066 20 31
Patriots Grogan, Steve 6 50 3006 20 40
Raiders Plunkett, Jim 15 59 2406 16 20
Rams Ferragamo, Vince 13 55 2070 17 17
Redskins O'Brien, Ken 11 56 1980 13 10
Saints Stabler, Ken 5 64 3829 27 27
Seahawks Krieg, Dave 6 56 2884 21 16
Steelers Bradshaw, Terry 13 54 3010 26 17
Vikings Kramer, Tommy 8 53 3360 22 22

My analysis:

  • Way more ints overall than I thought there would be. I may need to adjust this a bit in future. 
  • Joe Montana is probably the frontunner for NFL MVP, both for his wins and his statistics. The 18 INTs is kind of a surprise. 
  • Jim McMahon, an ultimate game manager, gets more wins than passing TDs. 
  • Marino was well worth a 1st round pick. 
  • Jack Thompson was awful, but he would have been much worse if he threw more. Finding a replacement for him is a top priority. 
  • Dan Fouts has an off year. 
  • Bill Kenney needs a lot of help. He shouldn't be throwing this much. Get him a RB. 
  • John Elway did fairly well despite having a terrible team. His 4 wins were unexpected as he should have had only 1 win. 
  • Jim Kelly is likely the Rookie of the Year
  • Moon unexpectedly is a game manager QB because RB Earl Campbell is so good. To resign Moon, Oilers will have to agree to allow Moon to pass more because his passing stamina will make that one of his demands. Oilers need to draft a WR. 
  • Both Dickey and Grogan aren't this bad. They were ruined for the same reasons: Both were throwing way more than they should be, especially Dickey. Both were hammered by strong defensive boosts in their division and received few boosts from their offenses, if any at all. Grogan's 40 INTs is the worst performance since George Blanda threw like 43 of them. 
  • This is vintage Jim Plunkett. Scores a bunch of wins despite throwing more INTs than TDs. 
  • O'Brien had a decent season for a rookie. 
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