Murrman104 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 the fact that Strom Thurmond is being drafted now and will not leave the senate untill the 21st century, wild 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewyoung123 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Murrman104 said: the fact that Strom Thurmond is being drafted now and will not leave the senate untill the 21st century, wild I mean, he should get Hale + as a trait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murrman104 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, matthewyoung123 said: I mean, he should get Hale + as a trait Liche trait 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10centjimmy Posted February 14, 2023 Author Share Posted February 14, 2023 1928 Rookie Draft Red *I will share the first 3 rounds here* Round 1 @ebrk85 Thomas Dewey - RedLeft RedRW CPU - Val Peterson @ShortKing Alfred Driscoll - RedLW @lm1145 John Davis Lodge - RedRight @matthewyoung123 Charles H Russell Round 2 RedLeft - George T Michaelson RedRW = Arthur B Langlie RedLW - Kenneth Keating RedRight - Hugh Scott RedCent - Horace Hildreth Round 3 RedLeft - James P Mitchell RedRW - Charles Lindbergh RedLW - Deane Davis Red Right - Kingsley Taft RedCent - Charles Halleck 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lm1145 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 33 minutes ago, 10centjimmy said: 1928 Rookie Draft Red *I will share the first 3 rounds here* Round 1 @ebrk85 Thomas Dewey - RedLeft RedRW CPU - Val Peterson @ShortKing Alfred Driscoll - RedLW @lm1145 John Davis Lodge - RedRight @matthewyoung123 Charles H Russell Round 2 RedLeft - George T Michaelson RedRW = Arthur B Langlie RedLW - Kenneth Keating RedRight - Hugh Scott RedCent - Horace Hildreth Round 3 RedLeft - James P Mitchell RedRW - Charles Lindbergh RedLW - Deane Davis Red Right - Kingsley Taft RedCent - Charles Halleck I got the other Taft.. That's all that matters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10centjimmy Posted February 14, 2023 Author Share Posted February 14, 2023 @matthewyoung123 Charles H Russell gains 1 Gov @Largo833 Strom Thurmond gains 1 Military Alt States: @ShortKing Gerald Boileau gains NH @ebrk85 Henry Cabot Lodge Jr gains FL RedRW Lorna Lockwood gains CT @jnewt Mike Monroney gains SD @lm1145Herbert Hoover Jr gains IA Additional Traits: @ShortKingKarl Mundt gains Efficient @MrPotatoTedRalph Yarborough gains Orator @jnewtTalulah Bankhead gets Teflon @ebrk85 Norris Cotton gains Puritan RedRW Val Peterson gains Disharmonious 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10centjimmy Posted February 14, 2023 Author Share Posted February 14, 2023 Draft Complete! - Please look to rules 2.1.2 regarding placement on the Career Track - @matthewyoung123 @MrPotatoTed @jnewt @lm1145 @Umbrella @ShortKing @Largo833 @ebrk85 Please notify placements/removals here by tomorrow evening, 9:30pm Eastern GM NOTE In an effort to keep the game afloat during what may be a crisis decade or two, I have worked with @matthewyoung123to pre-place a number of randomized statesmen from each faction in the various stages of the career track. Those at the 20 year stage will be removed here and scored as normal, as well as any you choose to remove at their stages, too! The statesmen were randomly chosen based in their draft year groups, and then again randomly placed according to their abilities - no non-Mils were placed on the Military track, for example. While this is not currently in the rules, it seemed like a potential improvement that would head off some issues we've seen in other playtests where the special, generational politicians amount to almost nothing because they never had a chance to grow in skill or join military/politics/supreme court at the appropriate age. If there are issues/concerns with this action, please feel free to raise them! Otherwise, we are continuing with 1928-1930! 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10centjimmy Posted February 14, 2023 Author Share Posted February 14, 2023 22 minutes ago, lm1145 said: I got the other Taft.. That's all that matters. Gotta catch em all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 1 minute ago, 10centjimmy said: While this is not currently in the rules, it seemed like a potential improvement that would head off some issues we've seen in other playtests where the special, generational politicians amount to almost nothing because they never had a chance to grow in skill or join military/politics/supreme court at the appropriate age. Agreed! I hate that the modern day playtests have the young upcoming statesmen with practically no stats because they didn't get credit for being in their real-life career track equivalents. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewyoung123 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, 10centjimmy said: Draft Complete! - Please look to rules 2.1.2 regarding placement on the Career Track - @matthewyoung123 @MrPotatoTed @jnewt @lm1145 @Umbrella @ShortKing @Largo833 @ebrk85 Please notify placements/removals here by tomorrow evening, 9:30pm Eastern GM NOTE In an effort to keep the game afloat during what may be a crisis decade or two, I have worked with @matthewyoung123to pre-place a number of randomized statesmen from each faction in the various stages of the career track. Those at the 20 year stage will be removed here and scored as normal, as well as any you choose to remove at their stages, too! The statesmen were randomly chosen based in their draft year groups, and then again randomly placed according to their abilities - no non-Mils were placed on the Military track, for example. While this is not currently in the rules, it seemed like a potential improvement that would head off some issues we've seen in other playtests where the special, generational politicians amount to almost nothing because they never had a chance to grow in skill or join military/politics/supreme court at the appropriate age. If there are issues/concerns with this action, please feel free to raise them! Otherwise, we are continuing with 1928-1930! Glad I was able to offer some suggestions and help! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewyoung123 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Moderate Republicans Career Track 1928- Remove- 20 year- Edward Herbert Rees, Private Sector C A Robins, State Gov Track Karl Stefan, State Legis Track Forrest Donnell, Backroom Track Add- William H Vanderbilt III, Private Sector (I mean, who else but a Vanderbilt would go on the Private Sector?) Paul L Patterson, Gov Track Charles A Halleck, Legis Track Thomas D White, Military Track Ernest W Gibson Jr, Backroom Track 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Backroom: Leonard Farbstein Governing: Dennis Roberts Admin: Charles Brannan Military: Joseph S Clark Legislative: Estes Kefauver Private: Stuart Symington Judicial: Thomas Hennings Jr? (Does not have judicial skill) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Largo833 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 BlueRW Career track Remove- Chauncey Sparks (Jud, 20 years) Tom Terral (Gov, 20 years) George S Long (Legis, 20 years) Wilbur L Adams (Admin, 20 years) Add- Private Sector- Ezekiel Gathings Judicial Track- Oren Harris Governing Track- Roger D Branigin Legislative Track- Leonor Sullivan Administrative Track- John A Carroll Backroom Politics Track- Martin Dies Jr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willthescout7 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 15 minutes ago, MrPotatoTed said: Agreed! I hate that the modern day playtests have the young upcoming statesmen with practically no stats because they didn't get credit for being in their real-life career track equivalents. Does the mid ability peak and historical ability peak not solve this issue? Or is it something else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, Willthescout7 said: Does the mid ability peak and historical ability peak not solve this issue? Or is it something else? The problem is if they're functionally rookie-esque. Take Buttigieg for example. He's 41 years old in real life, which means his draft year would be 2008. If you start a game in 2012, he isn't at the mid-ability peak of his career yet...dude's only 29ish. But he should be on a career track (arguably military, governing, admin, or private as he did all four in real life). He's missed his opportunity to join a career track, and therefore he's stuck with the low level stats he was "born" with for the rest of the game unless he manages to earn them somewhere else. But he's not going to be put in the military or in an admin position with those low stats, so he doesn't get that opportunity. (Note: the current modern day games are based off a file I specifically created for myself to play a 2022 game. It wasn't my intent that it would be as widely used as it is, so Buttigieg is actually a 5 star admin in the current 2012/2024 games. But that's just a fluke of the way the playtests were created using my 2022 files for 2012 games -- in the real game files he'd be stuck as a level 1 admin, etc. Buttigieg is just an example, the problem exists with every single start date. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewyoung123 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Just so everyone knows, I used dice to determine who went on what track. I isolated all the politicians that were "of age" when they were drafted and looked at what I had to work with and rolled accordingly. There were 16 total politicians for each faction placed on the career track. There was at least ONE (and usually two) for EACH career category. For example, for the 16 year track, I looked at politicians that were within 2 years + or - of 41 years old, so 39-43 year olds. If I rolled the dice for military track, I looked at the pols in that faction who had military skill between 39-43. If there were 3 of them, I rolled again to see which of the 3 was placed on the track. If there was only 1, then that pol went on the track. Hope that makes sense. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnewt Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 We won't pull anyone from the career track (though I'm interested in seeing the 20 year guys get pulled, since I haven't had anyone removed from the career track in any of my playtests yet) We'll place the following: Private: Mike Monroney Legislative: Marion Zioncheck Governing: Thomas D'Alesandro Jr. Judicial: Richard Daley Military: George H Fallon Admin: Maurice Tobin Backroom: Tallulah Bankhead 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbrella Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Remove (all 20 years): John J O'Connor - Private Stanley Forman Reed - Military John E. Miles - Governing Effiegene Locke Wingo - Legislative Add: John W Bonner - Private Maxwell D Taylor - Military Brien McMahon - Judicial James T Blair Jr - Governing Adlai Stevenson II - Legislative Charles L Terry - Administrative Edith Sampson - Backroom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortKing Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Remove: Harlan J Bushfield - Private Homer Bone - Gov Franck Havenner - Legis Add: Alfred J Driscoll - Private Gerald J Broileau - Legis Theodore R McKeldin - Gov Kenneth Keating - Admin Dean C Davis - Judicial Wayne Morse - Military Robert F Bradford - Backroom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebrk85 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Remove: William Halsey- Military William Henry Willis- State Gov Menalcus Lankford- Backroom (all 20 yr guys) Add: James P Mitchell- Private John Sherman Cooper- Military Victor Emanuel Anderson- Gov George Murphy- Legis George T Mickelson- Admin Alexander Morgan Hamilton- Backroom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lm1145 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 I am only removing my 20 year people. Add: Governing- John Davis Lodge Judicial- Henry Friendly Admin- Herbert Hoover Jr. Military- Arleigh Burke Legislative- Ellis Yamal Berry Private- Howard Buffet Backroom- William McCulloch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10centjimmy Posted February 14, 2023 Author Share Posted February 14, 2023 (edited) 22 hours ago, matthewyoung123 said: Remove- 20 year- Edward Herbert Rees, Private Sector C A Robins, State Gov Track Karl Stefan, State Legis Track Forrest Donnell, Backroom Track Edward Herbert Rees - 1 Leg, 1 Gov, 1 Admin, Trade, Science, Expansionist, Crisis Admin CA Robins - 2 Gov, charisma, education, Expansionist Karl Stefan - 2 leg, justice, debater Expansionist, Domestic Warrior, Crisis Manager Forrest Donnell- 2 admin, Agriculture, kingmaker, Expansionist, master kingmaker, naive Strategist Edited February 15, 2023 by 10centjimmy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10centjimmy Posted February 14, 2023 Author Share Posted February 14, 2023 @MrPotatoTed 20 year removals George L Berry, Military Track - 2 mil, leadership, Expansionist, Military leader, domestic Apathy Thomas J Mabry, Judicial - 3 Judicial, Expansionist, puritan, 1 Gov Fred Bierman, Backroom - 2 admin, kingmaker, Healthcare, Civil Rights 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10centjimmy Posted February 14, 2023 Author Share Posted February 14, 2023 14 hours ago, MrPotatoTed said: Judicial: Thomas Hennings Jr? (Does not have judicial skill) Success! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10centjimmy Posted February 14, 2023 Author Share Posted February 14, 2023 (edited) 22 hours ago, Largo833 said: Chauncey Sparks (Jud, 20 years) Tom Terral (Gov, 20 years) George S Long (Legis, 20 years) Wilbur L Adams (Admin, 20 years Chauncey Sparks - 2 Judicial, theocrat, kingmaker Tom Terral - 3 Gov, charisma, Labor, nationalist, harmonious, Bookkeeper George s Long - 2 leg, economics, debater, theocrat Wilbur L Adams - 2 admin, foreign affairs, egghead, Expansionist Edited February 15, 2023 by 10centjimmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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