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What-if the US stayed as the 13 original states?


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Here's an alternate history timeline of the US presidents if the country never moved beyond the Appalachian Mountains:

  1. Washington, VA
  2. J Adams, MA
  3. Jefferson, VA
  4. Madison, VA
  5. Monroe, VA
  6. JQ Adams, MA
  7. William H Crawford, GA (declines 2nd term because of health)
  8. William Wirt, MD (dies in office)
  9. Amos Ellmaker, PA (finishes final 2 years of Wirt's term)
  10. Martin Van Buren, NY 
  11. John Tyler, VA
  12. George M Dallas, PA
  13. Martin Van Buren, NY
  14. Franklin Pierce, NH
  15. James Buchanan, PA
  16. William H Seward, NY
  17. Horatio Seymour, NY
  18. Henry Wilson, MA
  19. Samuel J Tilden, NY
  20. Winfield Scott Hancock, PA
  21. James G Blaine, ME
  22. Grover Cleveland, NY (loses to Blaine, but wins two terms in a row)
  23. Garret Hobart, NJ (dies in office)
  24. Theodore Roosevelt, NY (finishes Hobart's term and wins a term of his own)
  25. James S Sherman, NY
  26. Woodrow Wilson, NJ
  27. Calvin Coolidge, MA (wins two terms in this scenario)
  28. Al Smith, NY
  29. Franklin D Roosevelt, NY
  30. Thomas E Dewey, NY 
  31. Richard Russell Jr, GA
  32. W Averell Harriman, NY
  33. John F Kennedy, MA (two terms. Is never shot)
  34. Robert F Kennedy, NY (one term and is never shot)
  35. Spiro T Agnew, MD
  36. Jimmy Carter, GA
  37. Ted Kennedy, MA (defeats Carter in primaries but serves one term as a compromise after a close race and contested convention)
  38. Geraldine Ferraro, NY (first woman president. Serves only one term by choice)
  39. Michael Dukakis, MA
  40. Pat Buchanan, VA (defeats Dukakis. First elected GOP president in 20 years. Serves 1 term)
  41. Jack Kemp, NY (Defeats controversial Buchanan in primaries and wins general election)
  42. Joe Lieberman, CT
  43. John Kerry, MA
  44. Joe Biden, DE
  45. Donald Trump, NY 
  46. Elizabeth Warren, MA (Serves until she's 120. Just kidding.)
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This was interesting and fun -- though I'd counter that most of the modern day politicians would still be born, they'd just be born in one of the original 13 states.  

Also, at a glance, while this does give us a female President, there are no Presidents of color.  With no "Bleeding Kansas", etc, to rise tensions -- are we still a slave nation?

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1 hour ago, MrPotatoTed said:

This was interesting and fun -- though I'd counter that most of the modern day politicians would still be born, they'd just be born in one of the original 13 states.  

Also, at a glance, while this does give us a female President, there are no Presidents of color.  With no "Bleeding Kansas", etc, to rise tensions -- are we still a slave nation?

I think it would have died out before 1900. Pressure from UK and other European powers that had abolished slavery for decades would have applied a lot of pressure on the US by the Progressive Era.

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The land East of the Louisiana Purchase still belonged to the US after the Revolution.  Even if they weren't made separate states, people from what's now Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, Kentucky, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin, and the northern part of Minnesota would still be Americans.

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27 minutes ago, pilight said:

The land East of the Louisiana Purchase still belonged to the US after the Revolution.  Even if they weren't made separate states, people from what's now Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, Kentucky, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin, and the northern part of Minnesota would still be Americans.

This is true, mostly. Britain still claimed some of that territory even though it belonged to those colonies. In this hypothetical scenario, I have the US gaining peace but losing territory West of the Appalachians. Most of that is just because I just wanted to focus on the 13 original states, however, I did have one president from ME on my list, but that's just because that was a settled and official part of Massachusetts then.

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On 5/25/2021 at 4:41 AM, vcczar said:

Here's an alternate history timeline of the US presidents if the country never moved beyond the Appalachian Mountains:

  1. Washington, VA
  2. J Adams, MA
  3. Jefferson, VA
  4. Madison, VA
  5. Monroe, VA
  6. JQ Adams, MA
  7. William H Crawford, GA (declines 2nd term because of health)
  8. William Wirt, MD (dies in office)
  9. Amos Ellmaker, PA (finishes final 2 years of Wirt's term)
  10. Martin Van Buren, NY 
  11. John Tyler, VA
  12. George M Dallas, PA
  13. Martin Van Buren, NY
  14. Franklin Pierce, NH
  15. James Buchanan, PA
  16. William H Seward, NY
  17. Horatio Seymour, NY
  18. Henry Wilson, MA
  19. Samuel J Tilden, NY
  20. Winfield Scott Hancock, PA
  21. James G Blaine, ME
  22. Grover Cleveland, NY (loses to Blaine, but wins two terms in a row)
  23. Garret Hobart, NJ (dies in office)
  24. Theodore Roosevelt, NY (finishes Hobart's term and wins a term of his own)
  25. James S Sherman, NY
  26. Woodrow Wilson, NJ
  27. Calvin Coolidge, MA (wins two terms in this scenario)
  28. Al Smith, NY
  29. Franklin D Roosevelt, NY
  30. Thomas E Dewey, NY 
  31. Richard Russell Jr, GA
  32. W Averell Harriman, NY
  33. John F Kennedy, MA (two terms. Is never shot)
  34. Robert F Kennedy, NY (one term and is never shot)
  35. Spiro T Agnew, MD
  36. Jimmy Carter, GA
  37. Ted Kennedy, MA (defeats Carter in primaries but serves one term as a compromise after a close race and contested convention)
  38. Geraldine Ferraro, NY (first woman president. Serves only one term by choice)
  39. Michael Dukakis, MA
  40. Pat Buchanan, VA (defeats Dukakis. First elected GOP president in 20 years. Serves 1 term)
  41. Jack Kemp, NY (Defeats controversial Buchanan in primaries and wins general election)
  42. Joe Lieberman, CT
  43. John Kerry, MA
  44. Joe Biden, DE
  45. Donald Trump, NY 
  46. Elizabeth Warren, MA (Serves until she's 120. Just kidding.)

What is the basis for this? How did you reach these conclusions?

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1 hour ago, Timur said:

What is the basis for this? How did you reach these conclusions?

Mainly just seeing which candidates for the Pres election for each election were from the 13 states. Then I picked who I thought would get the most EVs. 

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