Popular Post MrPotatoTed Posted March 2, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2023 (edited) Hi all, I'll be starting a 1772 playthrough with @Murrman104 @10centjimmy (Team Blue) @Ich_bin_Tyler and @OrangeP47 (Team Red). The rest of the factions will be CPU run -- meaning the human players are outnumbered by the CPU players both within the game at large (6 CPU, 4 Humans) and in their own parties (3 CPU, 2 Humans). Can the humans band together to defeat the AI? Or will they manipulate the AI to destroy each other? Or will neither of these things have a chance of coming true because the Brits will quickly steamroll the AI and humans alike? Only time will tell! FAQCan I join? Nah. I limited it to 4 humans on purpose, to keep the game going and still allow for strategizing/scheming with/against each other. But I appreciate the interest!Does the world really need another 1772 playthrough? They're the easiest to set up. They also have the fewest complications, as mid-history starts have issues with making sure everyone has the experience level they should have, figuring out what laws, etc, should be in place at that exact moment, etc. Fun to play, for sure, but also a pain in the ass. Haha. 1772 fresh starts are nice and easy.Anything unique about this playtest? Three things! 1) Nobody will be "born" with command in this playtest. Rather, we're doubling the chance of earning command on all the things that can possibly give command. This means that Presidents should emerge through gameplay, rather than pre-ordained fate. 2) Along a similar theme, I've subtracted -1 command from everyone who starts with it in 1772. This means that most of them won't have it at all, while a few special stars (Washington, Jefferson, etc) drop from 2 command to 1 Command, to reflect that they were already a little up-and-coming before the revolution began, but they'll still need to earn their legendary status in-game. 3) When a statesman rolls for a new expertise (for example, if they're appointed to a committee), and it lands on an expertise they already have, they don't get to roll again. This means most politicians will specialize in just a few areas of expertise, instead of becoming a master of literally everything.Wait, how do you have time for this? I thought you have a career, and a full time grad school schedule, and you're in a show, and that whole parenting and marriage thing... See the title of this thread. Action is currently to @Murrman104 and @10centjimmy to select their factions from the blue team. Edited March 2, 2023 by MrPotatoTed 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted March 2, 2023 Author Share Posted March 2, 2023 By 1772, tensions between Great Britain and her American colonies had reached a boiling point. The French & Indian War (1754-1763) had been a costly victory for King George III. As such, by 1765 the British Parliament had increased taxation to pay for the costs of this war and for the housing of at least 10,000 British troops in the American colonies. The most notorious tax--the Stamp Act--established a taxation without their consent, as they were unrepresented in the British Parliament that issued the tax. This sparked the Sons of Liberty movement in Boston that same year, which included Samuel Adams as its most vocal member. Benjamin Franklin arrived in London and successfully convinced Parliament to repeal the Stamp Tax. However, by 1767 Parliament issued a tax on a variety of duties to raise revenue, mistakenly believing that the Colonies objected only to an internal tax (stamps) and not to external tax (incoming tea shipments from Great Britain). Protests to these new "Townshend Acts" resulted in the Boston Massacre, when in 1770, British troops fired on a crowd of protestors, killing 5 of them. Following this, new Prime Minister Lord North repealed all of the taxation except for the tax on tea. By 1772, the tension had still not abated and the desire for independence was finally growing in the hearts of Americans outside of Massachusetts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euri Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 (edited) I’m curious to see how the Command thing works out, though I have to say in the old playtest I didn’t really notice this predetermined presidents problem On that note, make John Jay the President guys Edited March 2, 2023 by Euri 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted March 2, 2023 Author Share Posted March 2, 2023 (edited) @Murrman104 @10centjimmy @Ich_bin_Tyler @OrangeP47 Alright, I believe we're ready to get started! I've already distributed statesmen from the 1772 draft as part of the initial distribution. You may not have an even number of rookies, as I just included them in the overall pre-game draft. 1) Put statesmen on career track, if desired. (Must be from 1772 draft class) 2) Relocate politicians, if desired. 3) Ideology Shifts, if desired. 4) Politician conversions, if desired. 5) Kingmakers & Proteges, if available. In addition to your own factions, please make your CPU allies moves too (closely following the CPU rules on 2.1). There will be days when I can take on the CPU stuff, but today I have an urgent school paper to write. Thank you! Edited March 2, 2023 by MrPotatoTed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ich_bin_Tyler Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 My Moves Career Track Placements Private Sector Charles Biddle Military Sector Casimir Pulaski State Judicial Sector Richard Butler State Gov Sector Caleb Strong State Legis Sector Shearjashub Bourne State Admin Sector John Houstoun Backroom Politics Sector Thomas Mifflin Kingmaker and Protege Benjamin Franklin takes on William Moore. No relocations, no shifts, or no conversions 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10centjimmy Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 10centjimmy Career Track: Private Sector John Lambert Military Sector Paul Brigham State Judicial Sector Richard Bassett State Gov Sector Peter Muhlenberg State Legis Sector Aaron Kitchell State Admin Sector Ebenezer Hazard Backroom Politics Sector Elbridge Gerry No Kingmaker, no relocations, no shifts, no conversions JohnDickinsonCPU Career Track: Private Sector Tadeusz Kosciuszko Military Sector John Barry State Judicial Sector State Gov Sector John Mathews State Legis Sector Daniel Hiester State Admin Sector Robert R Livingston Backroom Politics Sector Thomas Burke No kingmaker, no relocations, no shifts, no conversions PatrickHenryCPU Career Track: Private Sector William Jones Military Sector Anthony Wayne State Judicial Sector State Gov Sector John Sevier State Legis Sector State Admin Sector Backroom Politics Sector Thomas Tudor Tucker No kingmaker, Anthony Wayne moves to GA (alt state), no shifts, no conversions TJeffCPU Career Track: Private Sector Robert Brown Military Sector John Hiester State Judicial Sector Thomas Heyward Jr State Gov Sector State Legis Sector Michael Jenifer Stone State Admin Sector Backroom Politics Sector John Tyler Sr Kingmaker George Mason takes Thomas Jefferson as Protégé, no relocations, no shifts, no conversions 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Did this earlier, but for documentation purposes: Oliver Ellsworth and Benjamin Rush moved to Prog, George Wythe attempted but failed. Flipflopper/etc rolled for and applied where needed. (I rolled for this now since you're busy but if you want to in the future no prob, wasn't sure. Tracks Oliver Ellsworth: Judicial Benjamin Rush: Legis Samuel Osgood: Admin William Hooper: Private Edward Hand: Military Others blank. No relocations. - I rolled for cpu shifts/relocations and none hit, left cpu career track to Tyler. For Kingmakers Samuel Huntington took both Trumbulls as he has efficient (and using the common house rule at game start we can start them all, though if you want me to undo that I can). This was AI John Jay. I also granted them the signing bonuses but can undo that too if you need me to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murrman104 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 (edited) Career Track Backroom-Arthur FennerPrivate-Melancton SmithAdmin-James Sullivan Gov-Jonathan Ingersoll Kingmaker Samuel Adams takes on Amos Singletary as his protege No conversations, shifts, or relocations yet Edited March 3, 2023 by Murrman104 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ich_bin_Tyler Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Red Party Career Tracks GeorgeWashingtonCPU Military Sector Samuel Nicholas State Judicial Sector David Brearley State Legis Sector Jonathan Elmer State Admin Sector Benjamin Stoddert Backroom Politics Sector William Paterson JohnJayCPU Military Sector Richard Taylor State Legis Sector John Jay Backroom Politics Sector Richard Peters HenryLaurensCPU Private Sector Charles Coatesworth Pinckney Military Sector Pierce Butler State Judicial Sector Robert H Harrison State Gov Sector Joshua Clayton State Legis Sector Theodore Sedgwick State Admin Sector Timothy Pickering 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted March 3, 2023 Author Share Posted March 3, 2023 17 hours ago, Ich_bin_Tyler said: My Moves Career Track Placements Private Sector Charles Biddle Military Sector Casimir Pulaski State Judicial Sector Richard Butler State Gov Sector Caleb Strong State Legis Sector Shearjashub Bourne State Admin Sector John Houstoun Backroom Politics Sector Thomas Mifflin Kingmaker and Protege Benjamin Franklin takes on William Moore. No relocations, no shifts, or no conversions Moore gets technology, Civil Rights, Cosmopolitan, and +1 Governing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted March 3, 2023 Author Share Posted March 3, 2023 16 hours ago, 10centjimmy said: 10centjimmy Career Track: Private Sector John Lambert Military Sector Paul Brigham State Judicial Sector Richard Bassett State Gov Sector Peter Muhlenberg State Legis Sector Aaron Kitchell State Admin Sector Ebenezer Hazard Backroom Politics Sector Elbridge Gerry No Kingmaker, no relocations, no shifts, no conversions JohnDickinsonCPU Career Track: Private Sector Tadeusz Kosciuszko Military Sector John Barry State Judicial Sector State Gov Sector John Mathews State Legis Sector Daniel Hiester State Admin Sector Robert R Livingston Backroom Politics Sector Thomas Burke No kingmaker, no relocations, no shifts, no conversions PatrickHenryCPU Career Track: Private Sector William Jones Military Sector Anthony Wayne State Judicial Sector State Gov Sector John Sevier State Legis Sector State Admin Sector Backroom Politics Sector Thomas Tudor Tucker No kingmaker, Anthony Wayne moves to GA (alt state), no shifts, no conversions TJeffCPU Career Track: Private Sector Robert Brown Military Sector John Hiester State Judicial Sector Thomas Heyward Jr State Gov Sector State Legis Sector Michael Jenifer Stone State Admin Sector Backroom Politics Sector John Tyler Sr Kingmaker George Mason takes Thomas Jefferson as Protégé, no relocations, no shifts, no conversions Wayne moves to Georgia with no penalties. Jefferson gets RW Activist. He also rolled to get provincial, but he's already cosmopolitan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted March 4, 2023 Author Share Posted March 4, 2023 20 hours ago, OrangeP47 said: Did this earlier, but for documentation purposes: Oliver Ellsworth and Benjamin Rush moved to Prog, George Wythe attempted but failed. Flipflopper/etc rolled for and applied where needed. (I rolled for this now since you're busy but if you want to in the future no prob, wasn't sure. Tracks Oliver Ellsworth: Judicial Benjamin Rush: Legis Samuel Osgood: Admin William Hooper: Private Edward Hand: Military Others blank. No relocations. - I rolled for cpu shifts/relocations and none hit, left cpu career track to Tyler. For Kingmakers Samuel Huntington took both Trumbulls as he has efficient (and using the common house rule at game start we can start them all, though if you want me to undo that I can). This was AI John Jay. I also granted them the signing bonuses but can undo that too if you need me to. Thanks! I'll accept your rolls for this one, I can do the rolling in the future. Appreciate it! I usually only let people get one protege per turn, so Huntington will have to choose just one Trumbull for now. Which one did he get? Be sure to undo whatever the second protege gained, if you can. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 1 minute ago, MrPotatoTed said: Thanks! I'll accept your rolls for this one, I can do the rolling in the future. Appreciate it! I usually only let people get one protege per turn, so Huntington will have to choose just one Trumbull for now. Which one did he get? Be sure to undo whatever the second protege gained, if you can. Thanks! Aight, here in a few minutes I'll remove Jr and I think I still remember what the gains were. I guess since this is 1772 it's different than a non-1772. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 4 minutes ago, OrangeP47 said: Aight, here in a few minutes I'll remove Jr and I think I still remember what the gains were. I guess since this is 1772 it's different than a non-1772. Yeah, there were so few traits it was obvious which ones they were, fixed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted March 4, 2023 Author Share Posted March 4, 2023 14 hours ago, Murrman104 said: Kingmaker Samuel Adams takes on Amos Singletary as his protege Singletary gains +1 Governing (his first), Business, Reformist, Cosmopolitan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted March 4, 2023 Author Share Posted March 4, 2023 10 minutes ago, OrangeP47 said: Aight, here in a few minutes I'll remove Jr and I think I still remember what the gains were. I guess since this is 1772 it's different than a non-1772. I just hadn't heard of the non-1772 house rule, as I don't follow many of the playthroughs that I'm not it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 1 minute ago, MrPotatoTed said: I just hadn't heard of the non-1772 house rule, as I don't follow many of the playthroughs that I'm not it. It makes sense for 1772, since this is legitimately the first turn, the "start" of history, but some playtests that started mid-stream allowed retroactive moves I'm pretty sure so that starting pols wouldn't be quite as crappy because the early game can be brutal. 1772 is probably fine as is though in hindsight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted March 4, 2023 Author Share Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) Ok, I believe sheets are all up to date now. Thanks, everyone! Next up: Our 1772 Faction Cards!@Murrman104: LW Populists, Progressives, Liberals -- Civil Rights, LW Activists, Reformists - Human Rights@10centjimmy: Moderates -- Military-Industrial Complex JohnDickinsonCPU: Moderates -- Military-Industrial Complex PatrickHenryCPU: Conservatives -- Big Agriculture, Protectionist TomJeffersonCPU: RW Populists, Traditionalists -- RW Activists -- Big Agriculture, ------@OrangeP47: Liberals -- Civil Rights -- Public Education, Big Pharma, Science@Ich_bin_Tyler: Moderates -- Law & Order, Military-Industrial Complex, Globalists, Free Trade, GeorgeWashingtonCPU: Moderates -- Big Corporations, Military-Industrial Complex, JohnJayCPU: Moderates -- Law & Order HenryLaurensCPU: Conservatives -- Wall Street, Law & Order, Military-Industrial Complex, Globalists, Edited March 4, 2023 by MrPotatoTed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted March 4, 2023 Author Share Posted March 4, 2023 @Murrman104 @Ich_bin_Tyler @10centjimmy @OrangeP47 There are no congressional leadership elections because there's no congress yet. So action to everyone to name your faction leader and choose a faction name. I can do the CPU teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10centjimmy Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 13 minutes ago, MrPotatoTed said: @Murrman104 @Ich_bin_Tyler @10centjimmy @OrangeP47 There are no congressional leadership elections because there's no congress yet. So action to everyone to name your faction leader and choose a faction name. I can do the CPU teams. George Clinton, Moderate Patriots 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted March 4, 2023 Author Share Posted March 4, 2023 JohnDickinsonCPU chooses John Hancock as their first faction leader. Hancock gains nothing. PatrickHenryCPU chooses John Sevier as their first faction leader. Sevier is removed from the career track for no gains . Sevier loses obscure, +1 Admin TomJeffersonCPU Chooses Thomas Jefferson. No gains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murrman104 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Sam Adams and the Sons of Liberty (LW). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted March 4, 2023 Author Share Posted March 4, 2023 8 minutes ago, 10centjimmy said: George Clinton, Moderate Patriots Clinton loses obscure, gains integrity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Due to my pols, I have no eligible candidates using normal requirements, so I'm down to "just ideo". I select George Wythe and am honored to have the legend of the original playtest as my faction leader. We shall be known as the "American Whigs (Lib)" Also btw Ted you're putting things on the wrong line in the sheet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted March 4, 2023 Author Share Posted March 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, MrPotatoTed said: JohnDickinsonCPU chooses John Hancock as their first faction leader. Hancock gains nothing. PatrickHenryCPU chooses John Sevier as their first faction leader. Sevier is removed from the career track for no gains . Sevier loses obscure, +1 Admin TomJeffersonCPU Chooses Thomas Jefferson. No gains. I forgot odds to gain command are doubled in this playthroguh. John Hancock gets +1 Command Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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