What If Poll: Secession

[vcczar]

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[ConservativeElector2]

Depends on how we define being better off. Let's take the Utah example. Of course I believe Mormons would be better off within a Mormon nation. However, economically this would be likely no wise decision. 

[Rezi]

I don't believe any American states would have ended up better off individually. Part of the reason we have such a high quality of living in this country is because we are united. We have a very diverse set of states and regions and a high population, which has given us such a huge advantage over the years.

[vcczar]

@Mothwoman How would Southern blacks be better off if the South seceded? 

[WVProgressive]

20 minutes ago, ConservativeElector2 said:

Depends on how we define being better off. Let's take the Utah example. Of course I believe Mormons would be better off within a Mormon nation. However, economically this would be likely no wise decision. 

Yeah, I agree. Anytime I could think of one group benefitting from secession, I immediately thought of the groups that would be harmed by secession. I really hope the people who vote yes on question 13 are ignorant to the fact that they’d be effectively leaving the minorities (for lack of better phrasing, when I say this I basically anyone isn’t a white straight Protestant cisgender neurotypical ablebodied man) in those states to be treated, at best, like second class citizens, and at worst treated like subhumans.

For example, WV’s state legislature is already incredibly hostile to trans people. Am I supposed to trust that if they were no longer restricted by the federal government, and the constitution they would suddenly stop being transphobic? Yeah, doubtful.

[Rezi]

3 minutes ago, WVProgressive said:

Yeah, I agree. Anytime I could think of one group benefitting from secession, I immediately thought of the groups that would be harmed by secession. I really hope the people who vote yes on question 13 are ignorant to the fact that they’d be effectively leaving the minorities (for lack of better phrasing, when I say this I basically anyone isn’t a white straight Protestant cisgender neurotypical ablebodied man) in those states to be treated, at best, like second class citizens, and at worst treated like

Seeing how many online libs think that rural Appalachians and Southerners are just lost causes who should be abandoned... I wouldn't be surprised if there existed a solid amount of people who were okay with this.

[Mothwoman]

1 minute ago, vcczar said:

@Mothwoman How would Southern blacks be better off if the South seceded? 

Black poverty is a direct result of Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society forcing them to rely on the government. A truly southern government would never pass such socialistic tomfoolery. While being aware of the natural biological differences between the races, I’m sure that Blacks would do just fine for themselves if they were allowed to actually work, and compete with one another.

[mark2]

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Would Californians be better off today if they had stayed independent as the Republic of California?

better question: would the rest of us be better off and the answer is yes

[mark2]

3 minutes ago, Mothwoman said:

While being aware of the natural biological differences between the races

[vcczar]

7 minutes ago, Mothwoman said:

Black poverty is a direct result of Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society forcing them to rely on the government. A truly southern government would never pass such socialistic tomfoolery. While being aware of the natural biological differences between the races, I’m sure that Blacks would do just fine for themselves if they were allowed to actually work, and compete with one another.

What do you mean natural biological differences? 

Also, are you suggesting Southern blacks are better off enslaved (South secedes successfully) than free and equal (does not secede equally)?

[The Blood]

14 minutes ago, Mothwoman said:

While being aware of the natural biological differences between the races

[Mothwoman]

11 minutes ago, vcczar said:

What do you mean natural biological differences? 

Also, are you suggesting Southern blacks are better off enslaved (South secedes successfully) than free and equal (does not secede equally)?

Blacks are ON AVERAGE (emphasis because people always try to paint you as a racist when you point these things out) more athletic than other races, just like how Asians are ON AVERAGE more intelligent than other races. Race is real, that doesn’t mean Whites or Asians are better than Blacks and Arabs per se just that, you know, different people are going to be better at different things. It’s true on the micro it’s true in the macro. I’m sure plenty of Blacks are perfectly capable of becoming brain surgeons, just like plenty of Whites are capable of being Basketball stars, but when we think of a brain surgeon we think of a white guy, and when we think of a basketball star we think of a black guy, and there’s a reason for that. Again I am not saying Blacks are inferior to Whites or anything like that, but we can’t pretend that race doesn’t exist. Blacks and Whites are just different, and there is nothing immoral about stating that fact. Blacks are better at physical labor, while Whites are better at intellectual labor BOTH are necessary for a nation to function.

As to your second point, slavery was already on the way out when we seceded. Plenty of Confederates were anti slavery, I’m sure abolition would come just as quickly and a lot more stably if it had been done by the south rather than by yankee interlopers.

[The Blood]

3 minutes ago, Mothwoman said:

Blacks are better at physical labor, while Whites are better at intellectual labor

[mark2]

7 minutes ago, Mothwoman said:

Blacks are ON AVERAGE (emphasis because people always try to paint you as a racist when you point these things out) more athletic than other races, just like how Asians are ON AVERAGE more intelligent than other races. Race is real, that doesn’t mean Whites or Asians are better than Blacks and Arabs per se just that, you know, different people are going to be better at different things. It’s true on the micro it’s true in the macro. I’m sure plenty of Blacks are perfectly capable of becoming brain surgeons, just like plenty of Whites are capable of being Basketball stars, but when we think of a brain surgeon we think of a white guy, and when we think of a basketball star we think of a black guy, and there’s a reason for that. Again I am not saying Blacks are inferior to Whites or anything like that, but we can’t pretend that race doesn’t exist. Blacks and Whites are just different, and there is nothing immoral about stating that fact. Blacks are better at physical labor, while Whites are better at intellectual labor BOTH are necessary for a nation to function. 

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[Imperator Taco Cat]

@mothwoman  would you agree that mixed people get both the powers of whites and blacks and we need to subsequently, by law enforce race mixing?

This comment was made by paraguay gang(yes that was an actual thing, no these are not my real beliefs).

[Mothwoman]

6 minutes ago, The Blood said:

I have never used drugs in my entire life. Most normal people haven’t. But I suppose you wouldn’t know what that’s like since you have to take a cocktail of irreparably damaging body altering medication to make it through your daily life.

[Rezi]

1 minute ago, Mothwoman said:

I have never used drugs in my entire life. Most normal people haven’t. But I suppose you wouldn’t know what that’s like since you have to take a cocktail of irreparably damaging body altering medication to make it through your daily life.

Blazing one out in your honor rn

[Mothwoman]

Just now, Imperator Taco Cat said:

@mothwoman  would you agree that mixed people get both the powers of whites and blacks and we need to subsequently, by law enforce race mixing?

This comment was made by paraguay gang(yes that was an actual thing, no these are not my real beliefs).

No, when you mix, it dilutes the blood. It like alcohol, you mix water with your vodka to make it last longe rebut it also makes it weaker. Much better to keep each bloodline pure so to speak.

[Murrman104]

Just now, Mothwoman said:

No, when you mix, it dilutes the blood. It like alcohol, you mix water with your vodka to make it last longe rebut it also makes it weaker. Much better to keep each bloodline pure so to speak.

 

[Imperator Taco Cat]

Just now, Mothwoman said:

No, when you mix, it dilutes the blood. It like alcohol, you mix water with your vodka to make it last longe rebut it also makes it weaker. Much better to keep each bloodline pure so to speak.

That was meant to be a joke(read the second line) but ok Ms.Von Habsburg.

[Pringles]

3 minutes ago, Imperator Taco Cat said:

That was meant to be a joke(read the second line) but ok Ms.Von Habsburg.

Was about to say are we doing a CK3 incest only run in here, wtf is this “keeping the bloodline pure” bullshit, for fucks sake

[mark2]

5 minutes ago, Mothwoman said:

No, when you mix, it dilutes the blood. It like alcohol, you mix water with your vodka to make it last longe rebut it also makes it weaker. Much better to keep each bloodline pure so to speak.

you've gotta be trollin now

[The Blood]

1 minute ago, Mothwoman said:

I have never used drugs in my entire life. Most normal people haven’t. But I suppose you wouldn’t know what that’s like since you have to take a cocktail of irreparably damaging body altering medication to make it through your daily life.

Mothwoman learning some people inject insulin to get through daily life:

[DakotaHale]

 

[DakotaHale]

3 minutes ago, mark2 said:

you've gotta be trollin now

"Race Mixing is Communism" has got to be the funniest slogan I've seen in a while.