Hypothetical 2024 poll (4/25)

[vcczar]

New poll

[vcczar]

My vote is definitely preventative. I would love to be able to vote for a progressive 3rd party ticket, but I'm never going to support it if it isn't the best-polling left-wing ticket. I refuse to allow Republicans to win until the base of the party is equivalent with Larry Hogan, Charlie Baker, and Chris Sununu. At that point, I might take the risk of voting 3rd party. I'm also in a swing state, so that forces me to vote with my head rather than with my heart. 

[Pringles]

I selected that I would support Hillary in 2016, but I just want to make the distinction at the time, I did not. I was too young to even vote so that's why I'm selecting different, and I've changed quite a bit since I was younger lol.  

Edited April 25 by Pringles

[vcczar]

21 minutes ago, Pringles said:

I selected that I would support Hillary in 2016, but I just want to make the distinction at the time, I did not. I was too young to even vote so that's why I'm selecting different, and I've changed quite a bit since I was younger lol.  

Your voting pattern reminds me of an old friend from when I lived back in Texas named John Parm. He considered himself a Republican until 2012, even though I hadn't voted for a Republican since the 1st Bush. That is, he was an open Republican voting for a Democrat for 5 straight presidential elections. He couldn't stand the Tea Party or its precursors. I haven't talked to him in awhile, but I'm confident this dislike extends to MAGA. I remember in 2012, he wanted Jon Huntsman to be the GOP nominee, but said he'd vote Democrat once he dropped out as he thought he was the only sane Republican running. After the 2012 election, he would tell people he was a Federalist Democrat. He was a big supporter of Reagan. 

Most of my fiscally conservative Texas friends--and there's many--are socially moderate. Social conservative extremism seems more dangerous to them than fiscal liberals. I can think of only 1 that supported Trump in 2016 and/or 2020. They were all either McCain/Romney/Clinton/Biden or Libertarian/Libertarian/Clinton/Biden, with the final Dem votes just to save the nation from Trump. I'm a little surprised Texas isn't more purple, but these are largest Texas GOP people in cities or college towns that I know. 

[Pringles]

5 minutes ago, vcczar said:

Your voting pattern reminds me of an old friend from when I lived back in Texas named John Parm. He considered himself a Republican until 2012, even though I hadn't voted for a Republican since the 1st Bush. That is, he was an open Republican voting for a Democrat for 5 straight presidential elections. He couldn't stand the Tea Party or its precursors. I haven't talked to him in awhile, but I'm confident this dislike extends to MAGA. I remember in 2012, he wanted Jon Huntsman to be the GOP nominee, but said he'd vote Democrat once he dropped out as he thought he was the only sane Republican running. After the 2012 election, he would tell people he was a Federalist Democrat. He was a big supporter of Reagan. 

Most of my fiscally conservative Texas friends--and there's many--are socially moderate. Social conservative extremism seems more dangerous to them than fiscal liberals. I can think of only 1 that supported Trump in 2016 and/or 2020. They were all either McCain/Romney/Clinton/Biden or Libertarian/Libertarian/Clinton/Biden, with the final Dem votes just to save the nation from Trump. I'm a little surprised Texas isn't more purple, but these are largest Texas GOP people in cities or college towns that I know. 

Your friend sounds pretty based.

Yeah, I really think Democrats can win Texas at this point with this two-step strategy: Win back the border counties that were lost in 2020 with huge margins like they used to get (only exception being Bush) and turn the Houston/Houston suburb area & counties from lean blue to solid/likely blue just like Austin. 

I used to despise this political label but at the end of the day, for the last 2 years or so now I've considered myself a Neo-Con. We were originally Democrats, we became the establishment of the GOP under Nixon -> Reagan -> Bush I & II, and now we're tired of Trump/Tea Party extremism.

I still vote Republican on a local level for almost all things, however Presidentially unless the GOP shows they can move on from this cult of Donald and Bumfuck McGee extremism, I'm not voting for them. 

A year, perhaps even 6 months ago I would be voting for DeSantis, but I'm convinced he either won't win a primary or won't be different enough from Donald Trump, hence why I'm voting third party when he's part of the equation. 

In the GOP Primary, I plan to vote for Nikki Haley, I don't think any other entrance at this point will change that. 

[ShortKing]

2 hours ago, Pringles said:

In the GOP Primary, I plan to vote for Nikki Haley, I don't think any other entrance at this point will change that. 

If you could handpick the GOP nominee for 2024, just bypass the primary contests wholesale and inaugurate your preferred nominee of any active Republican right now (so like, not Reagan or anything), who would it be? 

[Pringles]

47 minutes ago, ShortKing said:

If you could handpick the GOP nominee for 2024, just bypass the primary contests wholesale and inaugurate your preferred nominee of any active Republican right now (so like, not Reagan or anything), who would it be? 

Tough, since I’m the one deciding who’s literally the nominee I don’t feel the need to vote strategically or anything. 
 

Liz Cheney is the first name that popped to my mind. 
 

Following her it’d go Asa, Romney, Hogan, Scott, etc. 

But Liz Cheney is the first that came to my head. I feel like 30 years ago, say (hypothetically) the roles were reversed in our nation, and Cheney is a Rep. so Trump is a Democratic incumbent who led a mob to the Capitol, Cheneys role largely stays the same as a leader for the investigation effort, she would be a rising star in the party. Not much polling has been done on this obviously but that poll that showed her beating Biden 58-42… phew. That’d encourage me a lot. 

Edited April 25 by Pringles

[ConservativeElector2]

4 hours ago, Pringles said:

I selected that I would support Hillary in 2016, but I just want to make the distinction at the time, I did not. I was too young to even vote so that's why I'm selecting different, and I've changed quite a bit since I was younger lol.  

Heck, I supported Obama at the time of the 2012 election. I wasn't much into politics back then and just thought Obama was cool. We all change over time lol

[ShortKing]

39 minutes ago, Pringles said:

Tough, since I’m the one deciding who’s literally the nominee I don’t feel the need to vote strategically or anything. 
 

Liz Cheney is the first name that popped to my mind. 
 

Following her it’d go Asa, Romney, Hogan, Scott, etc. 

But Liz Cheney is the first that came to my head. I feel like 30 years ago, say (hypothetically) the roles were reversed in our nation, and Cheney is a Rep. so Trump is a Democratic incumbent who led a mob to the Capitol, Cheneys role largely stays the same as a leader for the investigation effort, she would be a rising star in the party. Not much polling has been done on this obviously but that poll that showed her beating Biden 58-42… phew. That’d encourage me a lot. 

Interesting, I like Cheney, I actually was a big fan of both her parents, but I think if I could pick anyone, I might actually pick Tim Scott. I think he's a cool-headed guy who tends to stay away from culture war theatrics. I like his life story and his optimism in the country. I also really like Romney, and a dark horse pick that I don't know if I would go with but I would be very interested in would be Condoleezza Rice. 

[Pringles]

Just now, ShortKing said:

Interesting, I like Cheney, I actually was a big fan of both her parents, but I think if I could pick anyone, I might actually pick Tim Scott. I think he's a cool-headed guy who tends to stay away from culture war theatrics. I like his life story and his optimism in the country. I also really like Romney, and a dark horse pick that I don't know if I would go with but I would be very interested in would be Condoleezza Rice. 

I really hope one day we get to see Tim have an actual chance. I’m proud that he is my Senator. Even though I’m probably with Lindsey more on policy, these days he just conducts himself as a joke. Tim’s a good guy and like you said, he has an amazing life story. 

[Cenzonico]

I'm stubborn and fairly dogmatic when it comes to voting (or I guess how I plan to vote. Only two years away.) I'll cast my ballot for a third party unless all of the candidates they put up are insane (this will likely be the case in 2024 unfortunately. Damn you Mises.).

[DakotaHale]

I don't get the Cory Booker love. He's always seemed like a soulless sociopath to me.

[vcczar]

12 minutes ago, DakotaHale said:

I don't get the Cory Booker love. He's always seemed like a soulless sociopath to me.

He seems quite the opposite to me. The guy lived in public housing as a mayor of Newark and engaged in community events in that housing. He's very down-to-earth compared to most politicians. He has moments of spark when he speaks, which is something a lot of contemporary politicians lack. The only part of him that seems sociopathic are his eyes, but that's all surface. 

[Imperator Taco Cat]

Well this is still fresh I would like call for an option to edit poll responses.

[Rezi]

1 minute ago, Imperator Taco Cat said:

Well this is still fresh I would like call for an option to edit poll responses.

Someone else here might know more about invision than me, but I don't actually think that's possible?

[Imperator Taco Cat]

Nevermind

 

Edited April 25 by Imperator Taco Cat
Just forget it.

[MrPotatoTed]

1 hour ago, DakotaHale said:

I don't get the Cory Booker love. He's always seemed like a soulless sociopath to me.

 

1 hour ago, vcczar said:

He seems quite the opposite to me. The guy lived in public housing as a mayor of Newark and engaged in community events in that housing. He's very down-to-earth compared to most politicians. He has moments of spark when he speaks, which is something a lot of contemporary politicians lack. The only part of him that seems sociopathic are his eyes, but that's all surface. 

I actually get both sides of this.  I think Booker is a good guy who tries to really connect with his constituents.  That’s not the same as “would make a good President,” but I’d be happy to see him as Buttigieg’s VP one day.

 

That said, his emotional moments feel fake to me.  I’m an actor, I can cry on command, and I see the same in him.  That part of him seems entirely faked.

[Rezi]

15 minutes ago, MrPotatoTed said:

 

I actually get both sides of this.  I think Booker is a good guy who tries to really connect with his constituents.  That’s not the same as “would make a good President,” but I’d be happy to see him as Buttigieg’s VP one day.

 

That said, his emotional moments feel fake to me.  I’m an actor, I can cry on command, and I see the same in him.  That part of him seems entirely faked.

Man, the look he gave when Beto started speaking spanish at the debate stil kills me everytime.

You just know he was pissed because he totally thought he was gonna have a huge moment speaking spanish out of nowhere.

[DJBillyShakes]

Booker was honestly the most difficult for me. I find him to be maybe the most generically okay Democrat who could run.

Edited April 25 by DJBillyShakes

[ShortKing]

I like the idea of Booker far more than the reality. I think having a young person from his background with his commitment to real issues is cool and useful and an affirmative good, and I even like most of his rhetoric on emphasizing the shared goals we have and the common humanity we so easily forget, but man does he get on my nerves if I have to listen to him for more than like, ten minutes at most. 

[vcczar]

12 minutes ago, DJBillyShakes said:

Booker was honestly the most difficult for me. I find him to be maybe the most generically okay Democrat who could run.

For me, he's a Democrat that I have no issues or worries about. He's not a home run of a candidate. He's sort of like a step above Biden, two steps above Clinton, and about step or two beneath Obama. I think Booker would have won by a larger margin in 2020 and would have certainly won in 2016. One article that I read mentioned how Booker was everyone in the Dem primary's 2nd or 3rd choice. He hadn't any sort of lane to get delegates. If there were ranked choice primaries, and then the convention used the rank choice, then Booker possibly could have won based on the argument that article made. They didn't mentioned that hypothetical, but that's what I got out of it. 

[MrPotatoTed]

Fun Booker facts:

While serving as Mayor, he pulled a woman out of a burning building, getting second degree burns in the process.  He also had his security detail rescue additional people in the building.

He also saved a freezing dog.

And he let 12 people who lost power in Hurricane Sandy come to his house to relax and charge their electrical devices.

 

[Pringles]

12 minutes ago, MrPotatoTed said:

Fun Booker facts:

While serving as Mayor, he pulled a woman out of a burning building, getting second degree burns in the process.  He also had his security detail rescue additional people in the building.

He also saved a freezing dog.

And he let 12 people who lost power in Hurricane Sandy come to his house to relax and charge their electrical devices.

 

Wow, better days for him, America, and the world really LOL. 

I miss those years (2012-2013)