Should welfare be completely cut?

[Pringles]

Just now, Mishfox said:

Yeah right. Just look at Liberty Lobby, the Koch Brothers, Rand Paul, or any of the other so called libertarians and you’ll see the truth about their “ideology”. Scratch a libertarian, and a fascist bleeds.

Scratch a socialist, and a communist bleeds by that logic. 😛 

[Timur]

Just now, Mishfox said:

Yeah right. Just look at Liberty Lobby, the Koch Brothers, Rand Paul, or any of the other so called libertarians and you’ll see the truth about their “ideology”. Scratch a libertarian, and a fascist bleeds.

BTW, the Koch Brothers are social liberals...

[Mishfox]

1 minute ago, Timur said:

The reason I said they were extreme pro-immigrant was because I remember listening to one of their debates, and some of the candidates were literally anti-border ("borders are imaginary lines drawn on a map by politicians").

I don't think the Libertarian Party is anti-immigration in general though.

https://www.lp.org/issues/immigration/

And while the Libertarian Party is officially neutral on abortion, members are more likely to be pro-choice.

Well yeah, obviously they will say that in debates and whatnot. They portray themselves as left to win over gullible proletariat, but once it comes to governing they go full fascist. It’s sad so many fall for their manipulations hook, line, and sinker

[Timur]

Just now, Mishfox said:

Well yeah, obviously they will say that in debates and whatnot. They portray themselves as left to win over gullible proletariat, but once it comes to governing they go full fascist. It’s sad so many fall for their manipulations hook, line, and sinker

Q: Is Bill Weld a fascist?

[Timur]

BTW, I am pro-life (and no, I would not want to argue about this), but I would really oppose the idea that being pro-life makes you a Fascist.

[Mishfox]

2 minutes ago, Pringles said:

Scratch a socialist, and a communist bleeds by that logic. 😛 

Yes. Of course in USA communism has a bad rap because of the nonstop propaganda everyone is fed, and because of a series of fascist nations that were falsely labeled “communist”. Most people don’t realize communism as an ideology is only about ensuring people have basic human rights, equality, and a better life.

[Mishfox]

Just now, Timur said:

BTW, I am pro-life (and no, I would not want to argue about this), but I would really oppose the idea that being pro-life makes you a Fascist.

Pro-life until the baby is born, right? 😂

[Timur]

1 minute ago, Mishfox said:

Pro-life until the baby is born, right? 😂

No, and after as well.

(Unless you are guilty of a crime. Also, I believe it's a woman's choice if her life's at risk.)

[The Blood]

5 minutes ago, Mishfox said:

Well yeah, obviously they will say that in debates and whatnot. They portray themselves as left to win over gullible proletariat, but once it comes to governing they go full fascist. It’s sad so many fall for their manipulations hook, line, and sinker

Do you think Libertarian Presidential candidates take certain positions as part of a grand conspiracy to trick people into thinking the party has an open dialogue on certain issues?

[Mishfox]

1 minute ago, Timur said:

No, and after as well.

(Unless you are guilty of a crime. Also, I believe it's a woman's choice if her life's at risk.)

So you support universal health care, universal education through college, and free housing funded by taxes on the rich?

[WVProgressive]

2 minutes ago, Mishfox said:

Yes. Of course in USA communism has a bad rap because of the nonstop propaganda everyone is fed, and because of a series of fascist nations that were falsely labeled “communist”. Most people don’t realize communism as an ideology is only about ensuring people have basic human rights, equality, and a better life.

"Why has the oppressed proletariat not come to its senses and joined you in your fight for world liberation? [...] [Because] they know that your antiquated styles of protest – your marches, hand held signs, and gatherings – are now powerless to effect real change because they have become such a predictable part of the status quo. They know that your post-Marxist jargon is off-putting because it really is a language of mere academic dispute, not a weapon capable of undermining systems of control..."

— Nadia C., "Your Politics Are Boring as Fuck"

I hate to inform you, but Marxism is dead as a political ideology, and will not be able to adequately overturn the current Capitalist world order. Marx was right about a lot of things, but a lot of teaching simply don't work, especially in the 21st Century

[Pringles]

2 minutes ago, Mishfox said:

Yes. Of course in USA communism has a bad rap because of the nonstop propaganda everyone is fed, and because of a series of fascist nations that were falsely labeled “communist”. Most people don’t realize communism as an ideology is only about ensuring people have basic human rights, equality, and a better life.

It seems we aren't the only ones being fed propaganda. I can't believe we have someone to the left of Mao on this forum. 

You make way too many assumptions on other ideologies and have been fed whatever ideological think tank you subscribe too way, way, wayyyy too much. 

Funny how Communism has always turned out to be led by authoritarian nut bags who have failed in every supposed "goal" of Communism you just mentioned. 

It'll never work because it requires authoritarianism to work. That is the root of the problem. 

 

[Timur]

Fascist. Like Communist, a frequently misused word, though the two are misused by different people.  "Fascist" is loosely used of any very repressive right wing governemtn; more loosely, of anyone who has a good word to say for such a government or, still more loosely, of any government that deals in repression (meaning, of course, any government)--provided that the speaker disapproves of it.

   The main source of the confusion is that while all fascist governments are (or were) intensely repressive, not all intensely repressive governments are fascist.  Fascism is not merely repressive, it is terrorism in power, it's frequently murderous activities unrestrained by law or anything else.  And even terrorist governments aren't necessarily fascist.  Stalin certainly ruled by terror, but calling him a fascist obscures some important differences between him and Hitler, in both ostensible aims and actual results.  Stalinism supposedly aimed to benefit the "proletariat"; Hitlerism, the "Aryan race."  Stalinism benefited only Stalin himself and a few of his henchmen (those who survived the purges); Hitlerism benefited not only the Nazis, but also German industrialists and financiers.

   In the real world, of course, many governments don't fit neatly into categories.  Hitler's Germany and Mussolini's Italy are obviously fascist; Pinochet's Chile and some Central American governments, under which opponents simply "disappear," are near-fascist, while the South African government is not fascist in the strict sense since its viscious repressions are occasionally limited by the courts.

--- Robert Claiborne.

[Mishfox]

1 minute ago, WVProgressive said:

"Why has the oppressed proletariat not come to its senses and joined you in your fight for world liberation? [...] [Because] they know that your antiquated styles of protest – your marches, hand held signs, and gatherings – are now powerless to effect real change because they have become such a predictable part of the status quo. They know that your post-Marxist jargon is off-putting because it really is a language of mere academic dispute, not a weapon capable of undermining systems of control..."

— Nadia C., "Your Politics Are Boring as Fuck"

I hate to inform you, but Marxism is dead as a political ideology, and will not be able to adequately overturn the current Capitalist world order. Marx was right about a lot of things, but a lot of teaching simply don't work, especially in the 21st Century

Lol. Automation is already making capitalism obsolete. But stay blind to the rising unemployment and stagnation if you want XD

[Timur]

1 minute ago, Mishfox said:

So you support universal health care, universal education through college, and free housing funded by taxes on the rich?

I am definitely for universal health care. I'm not sure on the other issues as of yet.

[Mishfox]

1 minute ago, Pringles said:

It seems we aren't the only ones being fed propaganda. I can't believe we have someone to the left of Mao on this forum. 

You make way too many assumptions on other ideologies and have been fed whatever ideological think tank you subscribe too way, way, wayyyy too much. 

Funny how Communism has always turned out to be led by authoritarian nut bags who have failed in every supposed "goal" of Communism you just mentioned. 

It'll never work because it requires authoritarianism to work. That is the root of the problem. 

 

Those “authoritarian nut bags” you refer to were red fascists, not communists. Hard to tell the difference when you’ve been indoctrinated though, so I understand.

[Hestia]

1 minute ago, Timur said:

Fascist. Like Communist, a frequently misused word, though the two are misused by different people.  "Fascist" is loosely used of any very repressive right wing governemtn; more loosely, of anyone who has a good word to say for such a government or, still more loosely, of any government that deals in repression (meaning, of course, any government)--provided that the speaker disapproves of it.

   The main source of the confusion is that while all fascist governments are (or were) intensely repressive, not all intensely repressive governments are fascist.  Fascism is not merely repressive, it is terrorism in power, it's frequently murderous activities unrestrained by law or anything else.  And even terrorist governments aren't necessarily fascist.  Stalin certainly ruled by terror, but calling him a fascist obscures some important differences between him and Hitler, in both ostensible aims and actual results.  Stalinism supposedly aimed to benefit the "proletariat"; Hitlerism, the "Aryan race."  Stalinism benefited only Stalin himself and a few of his henchmen (those who survived the purges); Hitlerism benefited not only the Nazis, but also German industrialists and financiers.

   In the real world, of course, many governments don't fit neatly into categories.  Hitler's Germany and Mussolini's Italy are obviously fascist; Pinochet's Chile and some Central American governments, under which opponents simply "disappear," are near-fascist, while the South African government is not fascist in the strict sense since its viscious repressions are occasionally limited by the courts.

--- Robert Claiborne.

Yeah, like Argentina with the Dirty Wars. They'd be a close fit imo.

[The Blood]

3 minutes ago, The Blood said:

Do you think Libertarian Presidential candidates take certain positions as part of a grand conspiracy to trick people into thinking the party has an open dialogue on certain issues?

@MishfoxDo you want to answer my question, because thanks to your initial post I'm genuinely concerned you think this. 

[Mishfox]

Just now, Timur said:

I am definitely for universal health care. I'm not sure on the other issues as of yet.

If you want more people, but aren’t gonna provide for them then you aren’t pro-life

[Timur]

Just now, Mishfox said:

Those “authoritarian nut bags” you refer to were red fascists, not communists. Hard to tell the difference when you’ve been indoctrinated though, so I understand.

Well, one could make arguments that Mussolini was a Socialist because the Fascists (certainly in their earlier years) were for increasing the minimum wage.

[Timur]

1 minute ago, Mishfox said:

If you want more people, but aren’t gonna provide for them then you aren’t pro-life

?

[Mishfox]

1 minute ago, The Blood said:

@MishfoxDo you want to answer my question, because thanks to your initial post I'm genuinely concerned you think this. 

Libertarian presidential candidates may or may not believe their bullshit, I don’t know. The point is they are either complicit with fascism or useful idiots for the fascists.

[Pringles]

Just now, Mishfox said:

Those “authoritarian nut bags” you refer to were red fascists, not communists. Hard to tell the difference when you’ve been indoctrinated though, so I understand.

Believe me. You're the only indoctrinated person here buddy. 

Lenin, Mao, Minh, Stalin, Enlai, and many, many, many more fit the definition of Communist and are quite renowned. 

[Mishfox]

Just now, Pringles said:

Believe me. You're the only indoctrinated person here buddy. 

Lenin, Mao, Minh, Stalin, Enlai, and many, many, many more fit the definition of Communist and are quite renowned. 

Everyone you described was a red fascist 🙄

[Mishfox]

1 minute ago, Timur said:

Well, one could make arguments that Mussolini was a Socialist because the Fascists (certainly in their earlier years) were for increasing the minimum wage.

LMAOOOOO. This is your brain on imperialist propaganda. Calling fascist regimes communist or socialist 🙄