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India Walton unofficially wins Buffalo mayoral election


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42 minutes ago, WVProgressive said:

I hope she does well, but I am weary that she may end up being an inefficient, and underwhelming mayor since she is both a political newcomer, and a radical.

What’s so radical about her platform? Aren’t you a progressive?

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1 minute ago, Mishfox said:

What’s so radical about her platform? Aren’t you a progressive?

Being an open Socialist in American politics places you on the far left of the American Overton window. I didn't use 'radical' as some sort of snarl world, radicals can be good, abolitionists, for example, were radicals in the 1830s, but they were undoubtedly the morally righteous, and correct people of their time.

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3 hours ago, Patine said:

It's unfortunate the Ghost of McCarthy being brought out like a tacky Halloween prop is still an effective political tool. 😞

Eugene McCarthy was a Fascist?:classic_tongue:

(No, just kidding, I know you mean Joseph McCarthy.)

I am curious what kind of a Socialist he is.

For example, I remember that the Socialist Party USA (Social Democrats) had somewhat different views from the Socialist Labor Party, and both of them were different from the USSR (Communists).

Also, even the Social Democrats have differences of opinion among themselves.

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34 minutes ago, Patine said:

I didn't use the word, "Fascist," for Joseph McCarthy. He's not such. He was just a manipulative, disingenuous, lying, and feamongering propagandist. Still a rotten and extreme person. But not a Fascist. I don't misuse or overuse Fascist or Communist, or use them as the socio-political invective and slurs they've very, very often become today, and I condemn just usage of such words and their denigration of any sensible and coherent political discourse. Despite accusations and mudslinging thrown around by some, Obama, or even Sanders, Warren, or AOC, are NOT Communists and - shocker, here - Trump is NOT a Fascist. Clarity of labelling is very important, and people have to understand this. Most people on this forum (with maybe an exception or two) know the politicians I listed above are not members of the ideologies listed, but it's amazing, and shocking, how uninformed and ignorant big chunks of the broader Internet are about that, and other common political figures.

The Fascist part was a joke on Mishfox, not you.

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2 hours ago, Patine said:

I'm absolutely certain you've used this exact line before, back on 270soft. The '80's teen movie thing is what gives it away. But, as having lived in the '80's too, it was WAY more in and fab to be awesome or outrageous - or way better - gnarly, than just radical! Get with the program, old man! (Now what happened to the aerosol hairspray on the store shelves?) 😛

As you undoubtedly know, aerosol sprays of the type common in the 80's were phased out after pansy-ass liberal Ronald Reagan signed the US on to the Montreal Protocol to combat climate change.

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13 hours ago, Patine said:

I admit, like many other issues in modern American politics, a sharp divide of almost binary viewpoints is developing, and like most such divides, it's not good either way, but the main debate still demands one or the other, and little appetite for compromise. In this case, it tends to be Defund the Police or Stand Fully by the Blue Line, one of the two - and neither work. But a lot of the modern social discourse's views of a lot of issues and their artificially-engineered two-sided divides don't SEEM to care about working or producing real solutions - it's all about all or nothing ideological and rhetorical loyalty - which is frankly madness...

I personally do not like the "Defund the Police" or "Abolish the Police" ideas.  However, I admit, I am curious to see what happens if they are implemented.

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4 minutes ago, Patine said:

What the U.S. needs is something like when Northern Ireland completely reformed, through and through, the old, abusive, and highly partisan Royal Ulster Constablery into the more accountable and balanced Police Service of Northern Ireland. But the two points of view almost always promoted right now in the U.S. is either, "Defund or Abolish the Police," or, "Support the Blue Line (and make no changes)," and, frankly, neither is at all workable, and the two being pushed as a hard binary dichotomy with no middle-ground or compromise seems the height of stupidity.

Police aren't always racist & neither are they always right. They need reform & better training, and more accountability for their actions.

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