Does God Exist?

[vcczar]

Based on this poll showing that only half of Americans say God definitely exists. https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/4012827-does-god-exist-only-half-of-americans-say-a-definite-yes/

[WVProgressive]

I assume the God in question is the Abrahamic one?

[Rezi]

This really depends on which God you're talking about. The Abrahamic God (minus in some interpretations of Judaism) is not great and I graded this based on him. It also depends on how you interpret the religion of course, and I make my interpretation on a more literalist view. Most other religions, however, have more agreeable gods, in my eyes.

[vcczar]

1 hour ago, WVProgressive said:

I assume the God in question is the Abrahamic one?

That’s the one I had in mind when writing this since it’s the one I’m conversant about, but it is really up to the person taking the poll. 

[Pringles]

Interpreting this with my own religion. At some point in my early teens I started questioning religion in general. But somewhere during early High School I had a few experiences that made me re-evaluate my edgy positions. I’m now convinced you can’t tell me God doesn’t exist. Because I’ve just had too many near misses in life. I think believing the universe just sprung into existence from nothing is extremely silly, however I believe most of the credible scientific theories related to our creation. 
 

There’s also some point where I believe I matured and realized the point of my Faith. Which isn’t to have a God that’s just going to answer you directly when you pray, or how agreeable he is, all of that nonsense. The entire point of Christianity for over 2000 years is that we are all sinners, all flawed. And we have been saved. 
 

However, concerning 5, not all Christians are committed or “good,” so while obviously you have to be committed to your faith to go to heaven, that isn’t a shortcut for a bad person. That’s how I feel about it at least. 

[WVProgressive]

Exclaiming my 'Other' Votes:

1. Do I believe the Abrahamic God exists? Technically yes, though I believe the Christians, and Muslims are wrong to believe that he is the god of all humankind. Rather I believe he is a national deity for the Jewish people in general, and the nation of Israel in particular. Now, do I believe that he is the only God in existence? Absolutely not, I believe that there are a great many deities that exist outside of, and can influence the natural world. I'm something of an Omnist as I believe that all Gods that Humanity has seriously worshipped in the past (meaning that spoof deities like the flying spaghetti monster are excluded) are existent, and divine. That's not say that, for example, Morrigan, Ares, Montu, etc. are all separate entities in and of themselves, rather I believe they are the singular God(dess) of War as viewed, and interpreted by different human cultures.

2. Let me split this into two parts. Do I believe that the Christian concept of Hell exists? No, I do not. Do I believe that there exists a spiritual mechanism by which evil people are tortured for eternity? Yes, I do. However I believe that this torture only happens to the especially evil, people like Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin, John Wayne Gacey, etc. etc. who proliferate needless suffering on a large scale. I also don't believe that belief, or dis-belief in my religion can damn someone to eternal torment, or grace someone into eternal paradise. This belief is based on an expansion of the conclusion I reached as part of my interpretation of the Heracles story, which I detail in Part 4, that, just as great good can lead to everlasting rewards, so too can great evil lead everlasting punishment.

3. I'm skeptical of the validity of the Christo-Muslim concept of Satan, which I remind you only truly developed in the New Testament, and on the whole I'd say I'm ultimately skeptical of whether Satan as traditionally described really exists.   

4. I do not believe that the Christian concept of Heaven, an eternal paradise one enters only through faith, exists. However I do believe that there exists a spiritual mechanism by which to reward the especially virtuous for eternity. This belief is based off my interpretation of the Greek myth Heracles; The hero completes his twelve extraordinary labors, immolates himself, and ascends to demi-Godhood. I interpret this to mean, generally, that individuals can gain entry into this spiritual mechanism by performing individual acts of great virtue.

5. What Happens After (A Person) Dies? It depends. Most people simply cease to exist after death, some linger on, and a select few of especially virtuous/evil individuals go to the afterlife that I detailed in Part 4, and Part 2 respectively.

6. I don't believe it's right for me to judge the God of the Jews as I am neither Jewish by blood, nor by faith, but since I had to answer the question in order to complete the poll I choose the most middle of the road option. 

If anything needs further explaining just let me know.

[vcczar]

I'll elaborate on my vote tomorrow. 

[Rezi]

a genuine question or all those who answered "If I'm committed to my faith, I'll go to Heaven; if not, I go to Hell" for question 5:

 

How so you reconcile that morally? I just  don't understand how you can believe  that a god which would punish good people for simply being nonbelievers is a just god. Why does belief become an ultimate arbiter of justice, and how does that, philosophically, in your minds, matter more than morality or the amount of good done on this planet? It’s a worldview that I just can’t get through my head of why people accept it for any reason other than fear, so I’d like to understand where you’re coming from.

[Pringles]

23 minutes ago, Rezi said:

a genuine question or all those who answered "If I'm committed to my faith, I'll go to Heaven; if not, I go to Hell" for question 5:

 

How so you reconcile that morally? I just  don't understand how you can believe  that a god which would punish good people for simply being nonbelievers is a just god. Why does belief become an ultimate arbiter of justice, and how does that, philosophically, in your minds, matter more than morality or the amount of good done on this planet? It’s a worldview that I just can’t get through my head of why people accept it for any reason other than fear, so I’d like to understand where you’re coming from.

I like to think it's possible if someone has truly never heard the word of God. The salvation of Jesus. But the ultimate answer is that I truly don't know. People who never had a chance to know is one thing, people who had a chance to, and to accept Christ, yet chose not to is a completely different scenario in my opinion. 

Edited May 23 by Pringles

[Pringles]

3 minutes ago, Pringles said:

I like to think it's possible if someone has truly never heard the word of God. The salvation of Jesus. But the ultimate answer is that I truly don't know. People who never had a chance to know is one thing, people who had a chance to, and to accept Christ, yet chose not to is a completely different scenario in my opinion. 

And just to add, once again I think this is another instance of a lot of people twisting the Bible's/God's words. It's what humans do. During Jesus's time he reprimanded the very judgmental actions of his disciples at times, even his own believers. It's a good rule of thumb for me personally to abide by:

"Judge not. That ye not be judged." 

Or at least, I try to. I'm only human. 

Edited May 23 by Pringles

[Rezi]

Just now, Pringles said:

People who had a chance to, and to accept Christ, yet chose not to is a completely different scenario in my opinion. 

I appreciate your opinion.

But, not using myself as an example since I consider myself a rather flawed human being, but say there is someone who is a really good person, provides for those around them and follows the Christian virtues though themselves not following the faith even though they know of it (I see this as being a rather common type of person): 
 

Does not believing render all of that goodness to be insignificant? Even with the idea of Jesus’ followers judging harshly, that doesn’t play a part in what is god’s ultimate judgement at the gates of heaven.

 

I think what I’m trying to say (drunkenly and poorly) boils down to is: If indeed the most important virtue to impact whether you end up in Heaven is faithfulness, is that morally correct in your mind? Do you find it agree with this concept and if not, how do you reconcile such a philosophic disagreement with your god? 

 

Because if I were to become a man of faith this would be very important to me. I couldn’t stand to worship a god who would torture those for the simple reason of disbelief, and this is perhaps one of the main reasons I generally prefer eastern faiths to those of the Abrahamic variety (minus some sects of Judaism).

[Pringles]

2 minutes ago, Rezi said:

If indeed the most important virtue to impact whether you end up in Heaven is faithfulness, is that morally correct in your mind? Do you find it agree with this concept and if not, how do you reconcile such a philosophic disagreement with your god? 

Let me take a step back here before I fully answer. 

In my first post I did say concerning 5, I don't believe faithfulness fully determines whether you go to Heaven or not. It is perhaps

the most important factor, but a Christian can be bad. A non-believer can be good. The Bible speaks of many who proclaim themselves to be Christians, perhaps they follow the word of God their entire lives, but on the Day of Judgement, some are cast into Hell. And they do not know why. 

The Bible speaks of imperfect believers making it to Heaven. Adam and Eve, for example, the reason we're all sinners. All human. 😛 

Now to your question, definitively, if I have seen and been exposed to the salvation of Jesus Christ... Time and time again, yet I refuse, then the way I see it, I've made my answer clear. I do not want to accept that a man who is the Son of God died on the Cross for me. A man that suffered endlessly for me? A man that was stoned, tortured, beaten, and crucified. I'm not accepting the gift of that man who died for me so that I wouldn't have to be doomed with the rest of humanity. All have fallen short of the glory of God. 

17 minutes ago, Rezi said:

Does not believing render all of that goodness to be insignificant?

Ultimately I think God works in different ways beyond our human understanding of things, but I personally don't think all your goodness is insignificant if you're a non-believer. It's possible to accept Christ even in your last moments. I can somewhat see why you and others might prefer Eastern faiths, but to my understanding in many of those you have to abide by rigorous religious routine... following the tenets of your faith, etc. I think that's great and all, and perhaps this is a flaw among many Christians, but what makes Christianity so beautiful to me is how easy it is. And I don't say that insultingly to my own Faith or condescendingly. But I reiterate: My sins have already been paid for. I believe in Jesus, I try my best as a human to live as he did. I recognize I fail often. I recognize my flaws. I know my limits. 

Don't let anyone tell you otherwise on my final point here though, Christian or not: Just because someone is a believer does not mean they are guaranteed to Heaven, and even if you're an extremely horrible person who just says yeah I believe in Jesus then proceeds to kill people or rape people, it is extremely foolish to think that a person who willingly did all of that is going to be truly saved after he or she exploited Christ's gift. 

To back up my final point: 

Matthew 7:21

Quote

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall
enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth
the will of my Father which is in heaven.

 

[Rezi]

9 minutes ago, Pringles said:

It's possible to accept Christ even in your last moments. I can somewhat see why you and 

Well this is why I plan my final words to be “I accept Jesus Christ as my lord and savior.” 
 

Just in case, you know 😛

[vcczar]

@Rezi @Pringles

I remember in undergrad I realized that most protestant faiths ("Salvation by Faith Alone") allows for Hitler to go to Heaven (if before he shot himself, suddenly "believed"), while all the Jewish people he murdered would go to Hell. This was just one of several realizations I was having about organized Christian groups. I also read and reread the Bible. My final realization was that, whether or not God existed, he wasn't worthy of worship. I also asked a lot of Christians my age at the time a lot of questions. It took some teeth-pulling but fear of Hell or reward in Heaven seemed to be the motivating factor for their "love" of God or "belief" in Jesus. At this point, God comes off as a gangster or a Trump, using bribes and threats. 

This said, I like Jesus. I don't like the Old Testament Yahweh. If one reads the Bible as literature, there's no way he's as omniscient and powerful as he's projected as being in Churches. Things do get out of his control. He's certain not all "good" and is sometimes what we would consider to be mass murderer or war criminal. He's jealous, a sign of insecurity. That's a weakness. One interesting thing is the whole planting of the Tree of Life and the Tree of Knowledge. He has to cast them out of Eden to prevent Adam and Eve from taking both of them, presumably because they'll be just as good as him or at least a legitimate threat to him if they get both of them. 

I think the Abrahamic God's origin is one of two things or both. At the very least, Yahweh was probably a regional Israeli God, like a war god. The war tribe that worshiped Yahweh, expanded and took in other tribes with their Gods. God in the Old Testament even mentions other Gods, so he's not alone. So there's other supernatural things with powers, probably a legitimate threat to Yahweh. These all strangely disappear by the time of Jesus.

Anyway, I think Yahweh possibly originally was an Israeli chief from which he's based, because his personality is very human.

Overall, since the Bible was written by humans, we have to question the accurate portrayal of God and the stories anyway. It could all be true, but there is also human error.

Anyway, I'm just rambling. 

I'll just clarify my answers here too:

1. I don't know if God exists. I have not seen evidence to prove or disprove him or it. My instinct says that whatever God there would be (God or Gods), it isn't the Biblical one. I think God is most likely to be something with zero human-like tendencies. This God might just be Science. It might be a flash, whatever started the Big Bang. That is, it might just be a creator. This God possibly has no clue we exist and may be incapabable of knowing, whether we or any of the likely gazillion lifeforms throughout the universe (or universes) exist. 

2. Does Hell exist? I don't know. I would like to think that evil people get punished for being evil. It is very possible that millions of people in world history have murdered people in cold blood and lived full lives without punishment of any sort.

3. I don't know if Satan or an ant-God exists. For the same reason that a God exist. I feel like if I had to choose whether it seems like a God exists or that a Satan exists, I'd say there's more evidence that a Satan exists. Maybe God is also Satan. Who knows. Actually, in some forms of Gnosticism, the Old Testament God is an imperfect God who is sometimes prone to wickedness. A perfect creator created the world and then left, and this other God arrived and tainted it. Or maybe it's that Yahweh did create the world imperfectly but he's subordinate to a perfect, all good God. 

4.Does Heaven exist? See my answer to #2. I would love Heaven to exist. It would make me happy to know that my dad is where he thinks he was going to go. I want him to be right about that. I'd want to see all of my friends again someday --- all of them. But I don't know if the Heaven exists. I don't know if I'd want to be there if a good portion of my friends won't be there. I certainly don't want to be there if it's Marjorie Taylor Greene, Mega Church pastors, and mega phone Christians, leaders of the Religious Civil Wars in Europe that tried to wipe out other sects of Christianity, and similar Christians. That's not a Heaven. That's a hell. They don't belong in anything defined as a Heaven. 

5. As stated, I think when we die, we likely just vanish. Some people become historically famous, but that might be pointless too if the Earth is destroyed before we spread off of the planet. At the point, every person becomes obscure. Obliteration is the great equalizer. 

6. If God exists, I give him a B- because I'm a lenient grader. He made a world that allows for some joy and genuine love. I think most people are good people. I think it is generally groupthink and organized establishments (a form of groupthink), such as religions, nations, etc that sometimes bring the worst out of people. On an invidual basis, and when compelled to think for themselves, outside of these forms of groupthink, peopl are generally good. For God to get an A-, there would have to have never been a genocide/holocaust and never been things like schizophrenia. For an A+,there will have to have never been any evilness or unhappiness. It would be a less interesting world, potentially boring, but it would been the right world to make. No thing should ever suffer. 

 

[MrPotatoTed]

I'm agnostic -- God may exist, God may not exist, I have literally no way of wrapping my head around any of it, and therefore it isn't worth spending too much of my time worrying about it.  If you could prove to me beyond all shadow of a doubt that God absolutely does not exist, it would not significantly change the way that I behave.  Likewise, if God himself appeared before me and proved beyond all shadow of a doubt to me personally that he exists, that also would not significantly change the way that I behave.  I'm not in it for some big reward at the end, I just try to find the right balance between helping other people and making myself happy day by day. 

The only question I struggled with was what letter grade to give God, given that A) I don't know if it exists, B) I don't know what the goals of the position are, and C) I don't know what tools it has available to achieve its stated goals.  If we assume an all powerful god trying to just give us good things, well, it isn't hard to find examples of horrible injustices and senseless tragedies to point to.  But I assume that if a God does exist, then its goals are completely unknowable to me, and therefore I can't possibly judge how well it is achieving its intent.  So...C.

[Pringles]

2 hours ago, vcczar said:

I remember in undergrad I realized that most protestant faiths ("Salvation by Faith Alone") allows for Hitler to go to Heaven (if before he shot himself, suddenly "believed"), while all the Jewish people he murdered would go to Hell. This was just one of several realizations I was having about organized Christian groups. I also read and reread the Bible. My final realization was that, whether or not God existed, he wasn't worthy of worship. I also asked a lot of Christians my age at the time a lot of questions. It took some teeth-pulling but fear of Hell or reward in Heaven seemed to be the motivating factor for their "love" of God or "belief" in Jesus. At this point, God comes off as a gangster or a Trump, using bribes and threats. 

I sometimes bring this up in religious conversations, but it is often misinterpreted in my opinion. Concerning Adolf Hitler. 
 

The first argument many atheists and agnostics will make is that. Adolf Hitler can go to heaven. Do you or anybody else really think Adolf Hitler, a man who supposedly could genuinely repent at his final moments after causing the deaths of over 10 million people, a man who dabbled into occult eccentricities, a hardcore drug user fueling his infinite rage, a hater of religions all around, especially Judaism and Christianity for obvious reasons. I find it to be a very profound fallacy to even bring that up. 
 

The point is, I do think bad people can go to heaven who have changed their ways, just as “good” Christians can go to Hell. The scripture backs this up. 
 

Another point, perhaps it’s not only you that has brought it up, but to question whether God is an all powerful meaning sounds a lot of the time to me at least, like one is mostly questioning why can’t God just come down here and intervene in human affairs? Why can’t he perform the miracles as he did in the text? Why can’t he just end suffering? It’s another area where people are missing the entire point of Faith to me. And it’s more selfish than those who worship Christianity out of fear of going to Hell. 
 

Miracles don’t have to be directly performed in front of you. Prayers don’t have to be immediately answered, perhaps they already are? Any prayer I make it is important to make an accompanying action on it, so I discover the answer. Obviously this depends on what it is. Just recently I had a teacher from HS go through a life threatening surgery. It was expected that while he may live, the surgery would be extremely damaging. That man has a lot of support in our community, lots of prayers he’s asked for. Im not sure what most non religious people think happens when they say religious people pray, but once again, I’m leading back to the previous argument I made. Nevertheless I was pleased to find out that thanks to the work of his caretakers, and positive uplift of prayer, his recovery seems to be headed for a quick and speedy full one. One where he won’t be hindered by this surgery the rest of his life. 

Ultimately I could be wrong one day in my Faith that I rediscovered. But I’ve seen too many things that keep me, and have kept me a loyal Christian for the last 7 years roughly. And I refuse to believe my life, your life, our life, is pointless. That we sprung up from nothing to float in our plane of Space until the Sun eats us whole. Whatever happens in my life, in my last moments, I’m going to be holding on to the hope of going to the place that I learned about.

I think I’m starting to ramble, but I just want to end it on that. A lot of atheists/non religious folk will poke fun at things they don’t understand, whether intentionally offensively or not. It’s obviously ok to question things genuinely, I once did as well. Sometimes rightfully so when you have people like MTG and politicized evangelicals. But I invoke Matthew 7:21, as I did with Rezi, once more. And its implications. 
 

At that rate, I’ll end it off with a good quip. If Hitler can get into Heaven I’m sure as hell set to enter. 😛 
 

 

[vcczar]

3 hours ago, Pringles said:

The first argument many atheists and agnostics will make is that. Adolf Hitler can go to heaven. Do you or anybody else really think Adolf Hitler, a man who supposedly could genuinely repent at his final moments after causing the deaths of over 10 million people, a man who dabbled into occult eccentricities, a hardcore drug user fueling his infinite rage, a hater of religions all around, especially Judaism and Christianity for obvious reasons. I find it to be a very profound fallacy to even bring that up. 

You're missing the point. We don't think he actually converted, but for the sake of argument, we are use Hitler because he's arguably the most evil man in history. Would he go to heaven, according to most Protestant philosophy, if sometime before he died--after he committed all of these atrocities--became a firm believer? Most Protestant philosophies that espouse "Salvation by Faith Alone" would say, "yes." I would know. I went to Lutheran and Episcopal churches growing up until I was 18 years old. 

Some Protestants groups--the one's that believe in predestination--could argue he goes to hell. Catholics, and I've never been Catholic, are probably more scripturally reasonable in this instance because they believe in "good works" as a requirement for salvation. This is probably why @ConservativeElector2 selected "good person" rather than "faith" as being the reason he'd enter heaven. Predestination opens the door to a many other issues. This Calvinistic principle was/is often skewed to argue that the predestined person is blessed by God. So someone happy and successful in life is probably predestined, while someone poor, seriously handicapped, or unlucky is not blessed by God and is probably not predestined. A lot of wealthy converts to protestantism preferred this to having to perform good works with Catholicism. I think this Calvinistic plank is subconsciously a part of the American religion, at least among social conservative Christians opposed to things like healthcare and social security. 

Much of Protestant theology is hypocritical. I think the quote from Matthew you mention, especially goes against the "faith alone" tenate, invented presumably by Martin Luther but adopted by many protestant churches, partially as a reaction to indulgences and tithes, which were considered a "good work" because you're paying the church. 

What you call a miracle by prayer, a non-spiritual person would consider probability. If there is a 00000.1% chance of someone recovering fron a life-threatening illness, then there's a chance. A gazillion dice are rolled, and someone's dice will fall in the right sequence. That isn't 0%. Probability allows that someone will survive. I think prayer makes a lot of people passive. If the concept of prayer didn't exist, I think people would be more active in helping because they wouldn't rely on a faith in God to do the work for them. I also think if the concept of Heaven didn't exist, we'd see more of an effort in making a Heaven on Earth. 

Spiritual-based arguments and examples don't really work on me. I'm okay with people being religious as long as it doesn't restrict people's lives, kill them, or otherwise harm other people (or their family). 

I'm not athiest. I just don't know if God exists. I don't think the Abrahamic God exists, at least not anything close to what has been capture by the human authors of the Bible. I've never done a deep study of other religious. I'm definitely rooting for there to be a Heaven for GOOD people. I just don't know if it exists. 

I'm rambling. Mainly because I have so much to say and only 7 minutes to type this all out. Back to grading. 

 

[Pringles]

29 minutes ago, vcczar said:

What you call a miracle by prayer, a non-spiritual person would consider probability. If there is a 00000.1% chance of someone recovering fron a life-threatening illness, then there's a chance. A gazillion dice are rolled, and someone's dice will fall in the right sequence. That isn't 0%. Probability allows that someone will survive. I think prayer makes a lot of people passive. If the concept of prayer didn't exist, I think people would be more active in helping because they wouldn't rely on a faith in God to do the work for them. I also think if the concept of Heaven didn't exist, we'd see more of an effort in making a Heaven on Earth. 

Spiritual-based arguments and examples don't really work on me. I'm okay with people being religious as long as it doesn't restrict people's lives, kill them, or otherwise harm other people (or their family). 

I'm not athiest. I just don't know if God exists. I don't think the Abrahamic God exists, at least not anything close to what has been capture by the human authors of the Bible. I've never done a deep study of other religious. I'm definitely rooting for there to be a Heaven for GOOD people. I just don't know if it exists. 

Are we really going to boil life down to a dice roll? I find that extremely disingenuous, and while you seem to think spiritual arguments and prayer make us lazy, and that the concept of heaven makes us not try to achieve on Earth. If anything prayer helps you find answers within yourself. That just sounds like you’re opposing religion based on political and ideological grounds. We should all strive to make the world a better place but one should be mindful of reality as well. We all have different ways of thinking about how to make the world a better place. Some of us just say socialism, eat the rich. Some of us believe in actively taking a role in striking down dictators, humanitarian crises, etc. 

Also concerning me “missing the point,” you clearly didn’t see where I said that was a fallacy. I did not say that you genuinely believed that. I feel that invoking the Hitler example is a fallacy. I apologize if you interpreted that literally, and I didn’t say it with more clarity. 
 

I can’t help but get the feeling you think less of people who are spiritual. I don’t know if that’s exactly true or not but that’s how I feel. 
 

Not all of us are crazy evangelists, not all of us want to restrict your life. I certainly do not subscribe to hardcore denominations that tell women they can’t wear pants or men can’t have long hair, nonsense like that. That’s why I find Islam for example, to be a highly oppressive religion concerning what they require of women. Concerning your upbringing, I too grew up in Church. Baptist, however as I’ve said previously there was a time when I had atheist and agnostic opinions. A lot of it had to do with the fact I was 10 years old on the internet and being influenced by not very good people I was around. I like to think I’ve changed for the better today. 
 

I could say a lot more but I’m ending it here as I no longer feel comfortable discussing the topic. I’ve tried to answer respectfully and acknowledge these differences in a way that we can learn from one another. Not every individual that prays is perfect obviously, but to think that that is somehow making society lazy along with the concept of Heaven just sounds like complete and utter political nonsense. There are individuals out there, both religious and non religious who aren’t blaming society’s supposed indoctrination by religion and philosophical concepts. They’re doing the work of good whether people interpret it negatively or positively. Because they know the cause they’ve taken is righteous, and power to them. 
 

If you’ve ever read Kant’s works I’m sure you have, I largely agree with a lot of what he says, concerning basic human dignity that everyone deserves, whether through religion or not. It also feeds into the idea that non religious people can be moral, which I obviously agree with. I digress.
 

Once again I apologize if I am rambling and sounding aggressive. I think it’s best I end it here. 

[vcczar]

1 hour ago, Pringles said:

I think it’s best I end it here. 

I accept that. 

[DakotaHale]

I believe deism of some sort is the most rational spiritual belief, and the next natural step will be to see that the Christian viewpoint is most based.

[DakotaHale]

Islam is also based. Judaism is kind of cringe. I do not consider Mormons or Adventists or Jehovah's Witnesses to be "Christian" as they reject the Nicene Creed.

[Pringles]

5 minutes ago, DakotaHale said:

Islam is also based. Judaism is kind of cringe. I do not consider Mormons or Adventists or Jehovah's Witnesses to be "Christian" as they reject the Nicene Creed.

Cringe Adventists fr fr

[Rezi]

13 minutes ago, DakotaHale said:

I believe deism of some sort is the most rational spiritual belief, and the next natural step will be to see that the Christian viewpoint is most based.

8 minutes ago, DakotaHale said:

Islam is also based. Judaism is kind of cringe. I do not consider Mormons or Adventists or Jehovah's Witnesses to be "Christian" as they reject the Nicene Creed.

You're really leapfrogging between being extremely based and extremely cringe in these viewpoints 😛

[WVProgressive]

1 hour ago, DakotaHale said:

Judaism is kind of cringe.

Jesus would be highly offended if he heard you say that. 😜

[DakotaHale]

12 minutes ago, WVProgressive said:

Jesus would be highly offended if he heard you say that. 😜

Two different types of Judaism IMO