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Here's a ranking of my voting choices based on ideology with comments.

1) Ron DeSantis - I may have been more skeptical about Gov. DeSantis in the past, but since his announcement I feel quite excited about his campaign. Teaming up with Elon is a decent move. His solid conservative stance on a bunch of issues probably tips the scales for being my overall number one candidate so far. I also like him attacking Trump from the right, but doing it in a way that makes him still sound reasonable.

2) Tim Scott - together with Asa the most likeable candidate in the field for me. If he were a bit more conservative on some issues he would be on top of my list.

3) Asa Hutchinson - like I said in Tim's section, I view Asa as a likeable man of integrity and honor. What makes him ranking only third on my list, is my doubt of him being a able to run a fierce campaign. That's something I expect DeSantis to do.

-------------------I consider everyone above this line to be a president I could look up to. The people below this line still, well... I have some issues with them, but still they would be a hell of a lot better than the incumbent administration.

4) Nikki Haley - what puts her down on my list is her flip-flopping when it comes to her views on Trump. 

5) Larry Elder - A former radio talk show host entering politics. As someone who mostly favors politicians with a solid background, that makes me a bit vary of him.

6) Vivek Ramaswamy - I am glad he got in, as his talking points seem to be great and he could be able to shift the political discourse to anti-wokeness. However, he comes off as kinda sleazy businessman and I think his campaign is merely a publicity stunt to get some name recognition. So definitely not my first choice, but still a much needed addition to the primaries as, I go by the more the merrier when it comes to the number of candidates.

7) Donald Trump - At this point we know what we get. While his personality is not my cup of tea most of the time, his policies are still way better than what the Democrats have to offer.

-----------------I am not really informed enough about them.

8 ) Perry Johnson - Probably the most competitive of the joke candidates.

9) Corey Stapleton - I should listen to his music.

10) Steve Laffey - Maybe a solid guy, but without any real chance.

11) John Anthony Castro - no idea about him.

 

If we rank these candidate by competitiveness, I put Haley above Hutchinson and Ramaswamy over Elder.

I am going to update this thread, when new candidates enter the race.

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14 minutes ago, ConservativeElector2 said:

Here's a ranking of my voting choices based on ideology with comments.

1) Ron DeSantis - I may have been more skeptical about Gov. DeSantis in the past, but since his announcement I feel quite excited about his campaign. Teaming up with Elon is a decent move. His solid conservative stance on a bunch of issues probably tips the scales for being my overall number one candidate so far. I also like him attacking Trump from the right, but doing it in a way that makes him still sound reasonable.

2) Tim Scott - together with Asa the most likeable candidate in the field for me. If he were a bit more conservative on some issues he would be on top of my list.

3) Asa Hutchinson - like I said in Tim's section, I view Asa as a likeable man of integrity and honor. What makes him ranking only third on my list, is my doubt of him being a able to run a fierce campaign. That's something I expect DeSantis to do.

-------------------I consider everyone above this line to be a president I could look up to. The people below this line still, well... I have some issues with them, but still they would be a hell of a lot better than the incumbent administration.

4) Nikki Haley - what puts her down on my list is her flip-flopping when it comes to her views on Trump. 

5) Larry Elder - A former radio talk show host entering politics. As someone who mostly favors politicians with a solid background, that makes me a bit vary of him.

6) Vivek Ramaswamy - I am glad he got in, as his talking points seem to be great and he could be able to shift the political discourse to anti-wokeness. However, he comes off as kinda sleazy businessman and I think his campaign is merely a publicity stunt to get some name recognition. So definitely not my first choice, but still a much needed addition to the primaries as, I go by the more the merrier when it comes to the number of candidates.

7) Donald Trump - At this point we know what we get. While his personality is not my cup of tea most of the time, his policies are still way better than what the Democrats have to offer.

-----------------I am not really informed enough about them.

8 ) Perry Johnson - Probably the most competitive of the joke candidates.

9) Corey Stapleton - I should listen to his music.

10) Steve Laffey - Maybe a solid guy, but without any real chance.

11) John Anthony Castro - no idea about him.

 

If we rank these candidate by competitiveness, I put Haley above Hutchinson and Ramaswamy over Elder.

I am going to update this thread, when new candidates enter the race.

Christie, Pence, and that former SD Gov are jumping in next week. Obviously I don’t want any Republican to win, but I’m most interested in seeing Christie at the debates. He basically knocked Rubio out of the race when he targeted him for Trump. Christie endorsed Trump then next day. Now I’m hoping he obliterates Trump. 

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13 minutes ago, vcczar said:

 former SD Gov

*Current North Dakota Gov

 

And his name is Doug Burgum, and he’s the second best GOP Governor in the country, so don’t you forget it!

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20 minutes ago, vcczar said:

Christie, Pence, and that former SD Gov are jumping in next week. Obviously I don’t want any Republican to win, but I’m most interested in seeing Christie at the debates. He basically knocked Rubio out of the race when he targeted him for Trump. Christie endorsed Trump then next day. Now I’m hoping he obliterates Trump. 

Yep, I love seeing so many high profile names entering the race. A year ago I suspected a lame Trump only contest to come...

I will make posts about my two cents on each of them, once they have officially announced their campaigns.

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2 hours ago, Dobs said:

Below, I will only discuss the 9 candidates who have declared or declared a date for declaration. There are many who I wish would run, or are still considered potential candidates, but they will be kept off for now.

1) Nikki Haley -  Definitely the best candidate running. We need an optimist, a conservative, a fierce leader, a unifier, and someone with executive and foreign policy chops. Haley is the only candidate who checks all those boxes for me. She has my support, the only person who could have taken it away was the likes of Liz Cheney or Larry Hogan.

2) Tim Scott -  Definitely the second-best candidate running. He is an optimist, a conservative, a fierce leader, and a unifier. Haley edges him out due to her executive and foreign policy experience, both of which are clearly desperately needed out of the next President. We need a Reagan to get us out of this mess, I'd love to see Scott in Haley's Cabinet and be a real contender down the line.

--- Below this line are candidates who I like just as much as the above, but for whom I have serious doubts regarding electability --- 

3) Asa Hutchinson - He is my third choice and the most morally acceptable candidate running. He is a pure of heart and decent man, and had he foreign policy experience or a decent shot at winning, he would be my man. He goes the right way on cultural issues when so many don't, and he's been steadfast on Trump where others have been murkier (Both Haley and Scott have their blemishes, but none so dark I am unwilling to forgive.) Still, he does not seem to be launching any sort of credible campaign.

4) Doug Burgum - Similar to Asa, he is a qualified and exemplary Governor. I respect him a great deal and would be thrilled to see his Presidency, as I would with any of the above. Nevertheless, I will believe a competent campaign when I see one.

--- Below this line, I could still support these candidates, but they would not light me on fire --- 

5) Mike Pence - A good and decent man who has atoned for much of his Trump-era activity. We agree on most policy and he is a pro-democracy conservative. He is too far to the right on cultural issues, but I am willing to forgive that as it is the only real blemish.

6) Chris Christie - I like Christie on policy, I do not appreciate his decorum. His record as Governor is fine. His time to run for President was 12 years ago and his star has faded.

--- This is where support for the nominee would become murkier if they were nominated --- 

6) Larry Elder - This is where the quality of the field begins to strain and, while I would still support Elder, I would be prepared for a blood bath. He used to be much better but has since fallen apart after his bid for California Governor. Thankfully, he will not be the nominee.

--- Below this line I would struggle to support the nominee unless serious changes were made, I would likely vote third party otherwise --- 

7) Ron DeSantis - DeSantis is Trump-lite. He still represents a step back for the Republican Party and for America and I could not, in good conscience, support someone so divisive. He flirts with hateful rhetoric constantly and is a bastard child of Trump's GOP. I am willing to accept moderation from him if he can provide it (given his good record in the House, which has soured during his time as Governor), but I am dubious it will ever come. His record as Governor is troublesome, not only supporting hateful legislation but tampering with free market actors as they engage in free speech about that legislation.

😎 Vivek Ramaswamy - Ramaswamy is a snake oil salesman and crypto bro. Unless he somehow became a real conservative with actual policies, I could not support him. But because he is so unknown, I cannot say it is impossible for this to happen.

--- Below this line, I can never and will never support the nominee, I would most likely have to vote Biden ---

9) Donald Trump - I do not need to go through this laundry list again for everyone, so I'll spare the litany. But the bottom line is that this man represents the destruction of the GOP and massive, potentially irreparable damage for the United States. His big government authoritarianism, collectivist economics, and weak foreign policy are the antithesis of the Republican Party I know and love and should be resoundingly rejected as such. And all that is before we arrive at the fact he was the most anti-democratic, anti-republic, anti-Constitution, and worst, most dangerous President of not only my lifetime, but the nation's. He should be roundly rejected as such and I can never support my party going down this path. Not now. Not ever. He is the only potential nominee that would force me to vote for Joe Biden and the disaster that has been his administration once again, to avert total cataclysm.

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Of the bunch, Chris Christie is the only one I have any bit of respect for.  He was on my 2016 shortlist, and I could even be persuaded to look past the fact he was one of the first to endorse Trump in 2016.  That said, there's no chance of me voting for a Republican when the party is still largely MAGA bullshit.  I do at least respect the fact that he's calling Trump out on his bullshit now, and maybe can move the needle for the overall party to start returning to some degree of insanity even though he won't be the nominee.

Respect isn't the right word, but I do acknowledge that Mike Pence is a much stronger candidate than he is given credit for.  I've talked about this before so I won't rehash, but as someone in the professional spokesman field, nobody can gaslight and completely bamboozle a debate stage like Mike Pence can.  I'll never vote for him and seeing him in the White House would be a nightmare, but in the spirit of "Hate the game, not the player," Mike Pence is a legit player.  Perhaps the most skilled of the bunch.  I'm aware that some -- maybe most -- won't forgive him for not backing Trump's insane coup on Jan 6 (and the people who like that he did that would never vote for him anyway), but I'm just talking about skill level here.

 

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Mike Pence - theoretically a very decent option especially for religious people. However, at times he seemed too forgiving towards Trump while he's also no credible anti-Trump voice overall. For too long he acted as one of the main enablers of the Trump system. I am going to rank him below Nikki Haley in my initial post.

Chris Christie - a quite likeable guy from a state, that's not considered leaning towards the GOP. Sadly his best time is long over and he got too close to Trump. I rank him above Haley.

Doug Burgum - easily the best of the three new candidate. A successful businessman-turned-politician. However, he could be more conservative on social issues. I rank him below Hutchinson.

This completes my new ranking, which is no endorsement at this point:

1) Ron DeSantis

2) Tim Scott

3) Asa Hutchinson 

4) Doug Burgum

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5) Chris Christie

6) Nikki Haley

7) Mike Pence

8 ) Larry Elder

9) Vivek Ramaswamy

10) Donald Trump

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11 ) Perry Johnson

12) Corey Stapleton

13) Steve Laffey

14) John Anthony Castro

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On 6/2/2023 at 11:14 PM, DakotaHale said:

Just saw Joe Manchin and Glenn Youngkin are considering runs later in the year.

Manchin won’t do it unless doing so helps him get re-elected in WV as US Senator. Youngkin needs to jump in like now if he has a shot. You don’t want to jump in after the debates have started and ideally a month or so before. 

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An updated ranking for me:

1) Nikki Haley - Her CNN Town Hall was great. I disagree with her on her rhetorical approach to trans rights, but that's really the only issue that gave me pause.

2) Tim Scott - Scott just became the second candidate to whom I have donated, I really want to see him on the debate stage. He had a great performance on The View.

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3) Chris Christie - Christie has surpassed all expectations and knocked his announcement Town Hall out of the park. I sincerely hope he makes it on stage to knock the daylights out of Trump.

4) Hutchinson

5) Burgum - Burgum's entry does not change much for me, but I did like his announcement a lot. He is similar to Asa in many ways.

6) Pence - Pence's announcement also upgraded him for me as a candidate, I appreciate that he is now taking Trump head-on. The best moment from his announcement was easily, when discussing January 6, "President Trump asked me to choose between him and the Constitution. I will always pick the Constitution."

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7) Elder

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8) DeSantis

9) Ramaswamy - Continues to tank in my rankings for me as he has made critical error after critical error on foreign policy this week. He has exposed himself who is utterly clueless regarding international relations and would be supremely dangerous as Commander-in-Chief. He might join Trump's category if he keeps it up.

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10) Trump - all I have to say

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There is also a possibility that Miami Mayor Francis Suarez hops in. I would likely put him in the number 4 slot, behind Christie and ahead of Hutchinson. 

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1 hour ago, Dobs said:

An updated ranking for me:

1) Nikki Haley - Her CNN Town Hall was great. I disagree with her on her rhetorical approach to trans rights, but that's really the only issue that gave me pause.

2) Tim Scott - Scott just became the second candidate to whom I have donated, I really want to see him on the debate stage. He had a great performance on The View.

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3) Chris Christie - Christie has surpassed all expectations and knocked his announcement Town Hall out of the park. I sincerely hope he makes it on stage to knock the daylights out of Trump.

4) Hutchinson

5) Burgum - Burgum's entry does not change much for me, but I did like his announcement a lot. He is similar to Asa in many ways.

6) Pence - Pence's announcement also upgraded him for me as a candidate, I appreciate that he is now taking Trump head-on. The best moment from his announcement was easily, when discussing January 6, "President Trump asked me to choose between him and the Constitution. I will always pick the Constitution."

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7) Elder

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😎 DeSantis

9) Ramaswamy - Continues to tank in my rankings for me as he has made critical error after critical error on foreign policy this week. He has exposed himself who is utterly clueless regarding international relations and would be supremely dangerous as Commander-in-Chief. He might join Trump's category if he keeps it up.

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10) Trump - all I have to say

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There is also a possibility that Miami Mayor Francis Suarez hops in. I would likely put him in the number 4 slot, behind Christie and ahead of Hutchinson. 

Thoughts on Youngkin? From what I remember you seemed to like him.

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For me, I think my rankings would be:

1. Nikki Haley - I like her experience as Governor and as UN Ambassador, I think her town hall showed she can navigate some difficult issues with nuance and care, and I like that she's open about her experience as someone who faced some prejudice and bigotry as a woman and a person of color and how that informs her approach to governance without defining it. 

2. Tim Scott - I've always thought he was a more thoughtful voice in the Senate, and recently his appearance on the View solidified for me his talent in facing a hostile audience and engaging on difficult issues and making a positive case for his vision without resorting to hysterics or theatrics. 

3. Doug Burgum - I think his record as Governor in a solid red state shows a heterodox policy portfolio that shows he's an independent thinker who's not just a reflexive partisan. Looking forward to see how he acquits himself on the trail. 

4. Mike Pence - not the most engaging or charismatic presence, but I respect his religious convictions. His record in the House was largely unobjectionable to me, though his stint as Governor was marred by certain missteps. As Vice President, he played the part well but to a Commander in Chief that was grossly unfit. Still, lesser men would have gone along with the President's nonsensical plan to just discount the electoral slates of swing states that went to Biden, and when facing the siege on the Capitol with a President who was unconcerned about the crisis, Pence emerged as a decisive figure in dispatching National Guard troops when Trump wouldn't.

5. Ron DeSantis - The more he panders to the base, the lower my estimation of him gets, but he has been an accomplished executive of the largest swing state in the country and has the best chance of beating Trump right now. Young, well-versed on the issues, a record of military service, I think that while he is not my first choice and he is trying too hard to emulate Trump in more ways than one, I think he'd be a huge step up and stand a decent chance in the general. 

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I have said before that Marco Rubio is my line of tolerance. Anyone to the right of him is unacceptable, potentially dangerous. With anyone to the left of Rubio, among the GOP, I feel like I can bear with for 4 years. Of those running, Christie is the only one definitely to the left of Rubio. There's a few who are arguably about the same, but Trump, DeSantis, and Pence are definitely to the right of him. We haven't had anyone earn 1% support in primary history that I'd put in my intolerance zone from the left. I think someone would have to be a Communist. I'm probably somewhere between Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders. I do have some areas that are to the right of them. For instance, I'm okay with the states handling more things so long as they're headed the right direction. I'm also okay with some privatization so long as the private party has a plan for exceeding the federal plan for whatever the private sector is hoping to run. Mainly I just want progressive results done efficiently and completely (socially, economically, internationally), and I don't care who is in control. It's just that almost all of the Republicans and probably most of the big private sector (Big Business & Big Oil, etc) is also going the wrong direction. I think with Christie, he'll at least get in the way less frequently than someone to the right of Rubio. 

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  • If I were a GOP longterm strategist, I'd want Tim Scott or Nikki Haley to win, for demographic purposes. 
  • If I were a shorterm GOP strategist, I'd want someone like Pence or Christie to win. That is someone that was attached to Trump and then realized he went the wrong direction. 
  • If I were a Democratic longterm strategist, I'd want DeSantis to win because he's likely than Trump, because of his relative youth, to keep the GOP going down the wrong path, which means the Democrats will likely continue to win the PV (even if they might not always win the EV).
  • I were a Democratic shortterm strategist, I want Trump because he's the easiest to beat because we've had two previous elections to work against him and he's got a lot of issues to attack him on.
  • What I really want is Biden vs. Christie because, if Biden loses, then a Christie win isn't going to send me in an internal panic. The concern escalates considerably if someone other than Christie is taken. Pence, DeSantis, and Trump are the nightmare situations for me. Haley isn't far behind. I have some hope Tim Scott could move to the left as president, at least a little. I don't know enough about the rest of the candidates.
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