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32 minutes ago, Pringles said:

What about a North Korean vaccine? Or do they get shipments of them from China... or do their people believe that God Emperor Kim Jong Un has spread a plague across the realm because of his dissatisfaction with the people? 

*Glorious Leader

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9 hours ago, Pringles said:

What about a North Korean vaccine? Or do they get shipments of them from China... or do their people believe that God Emperor Kim Jong Un has spread a plague across the realm because of his dissatisfaction with the people? 

North Korea tried to steal the Pfizer recipe through hacking...

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22 minutes ago, Dobs said:

Why does this not surprise me from you.

Why would it?I would rather get a Russian,Chinese or even  Burundian vaccine than go unvaxed and risk getting and spreading this terrible disease.The real surprise is why you dont think so? 

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50 minutes ago, Patine said:

It is unfortunate that Nationalism (the toxic ideology and mindset from which so many evils in the world spring from the bedrock and fertile soil of - up to and including irredentism, dehumanization of whole populations, among the most unjust wars, genocide, and Fascism) and nation-state-first and nation-state-rivalry-thinking still plague us so greatly, even in global crises like this, and are stated in just glowing and, "virtuous," portrayals, is very disturbing and even disheartening. The fact we have barely come beyond the Medieval situation of cowering in walled townes and cold castles, huddling in fear, superstitiously, ignorantly, and in fervent, terrible imagination, at the horrors our neighbours MUST be plotting just a stone's throw away shows how little we've really come there compared to many other fields. Stereotyping and broad assumptions of every single motive of foreign Governments on an almost Manichaean axis has been a practically braindead trope (Manichaeanism died as a religion in 15th Century for good reason - it's revival in a non-religious form, not just in pop culture, but in socio-political thinking, has been a true poisoning of the well).

 

I wouldn't say it's even that. The problem is that the Chinese and Russian governments do not require their vaccines to go through as rigorous testing as the FDA, CDC, and European Medical Agency (EMA), as well as various other Western quality control measures (Brazil's comes to mind as well). Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca, J&J all had to pass these quality control measures - and when they seemed to stumble (AstraZeneca and J&J specifically), the agencies took measures to ensure their safety. Russia and China do not have the same rigorous standard as these agencies. This is why medicine takes so long to be approved in the United States, even compared to Europe, but it is by all means safer.

Notably, Slovakia purchased 200k  Russian vaccines, and then sold the large majority of them back to Russia because it hadn't been approved by Slovak/European authorities, and coalition partners in the Slovak government backed their medical agency's report. I would trust a vaccine from Russia or China if it went through the same rigorous testing that Pfizer, Moderna, and these other vaccines went through. Because they haven't, I don't. That's essentially what Dobs is saying. The governments of China and Russia, because of their leadership, do not require the same amount of safety testing as the US and EU. For that reason, it's unsafe.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/slovakia-sells-most-sputnik-v-vaccine-doses-back-russia-2021-07-02/

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1 minute ago, Patine said:

Whether they're as good or worse (or by some weird fluke, better) is not what's really at stake - it's bad, toxic, "fear-of-the-dark," Tom Clancy- and Robert Ludlum-style stereotypes, with no real academic or scientific value behind, or the desire, by many, to invest too much of it.

Or, it's a proper fear based off that the Russian and Chinese vaccines haven't gone through proper safety testing that Western vaccines have gone through, and therefore would not take it. 

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