vcczar Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 John Ensign (NV-R) was seen as a rising star among the Religious Right a little over ten years ago. An evangical Christian organization called The Fellowship was gathering Senators and other theocratic politicians, (Mark Sanford's another) and prepping them for higher office. Most of the members were Born Again Christians, a group of evangelicals who can be prone to relapsing into previously immoral behavior. George W Bush is an example of one who seemed to have genuinely quit bad habits, but Ensign and Sanford did not. Ensign's affair killed his 2012 pres ambitions. His actions: Ensign, John 1998 Calls on Clinton to resign for extramarital affair (later becomes ironic for Ensign) Ensign, John 2004 Gives speech promoting Federal Marriage Amendment Ensign, John 2007? One of a few high-profile members of The Fellowship, an evangelical Christian-political org, having affairs at this time (unknown to public) Ensign, John 2009 His 2012 pres ambitions squashed with reveal of extramarital affair and cover up Ensign, John 2011 Resigned following charges of financial improprieties stemming from marital affair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushwa777 Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 Fave because we are all broken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted October 15 Author Share Posted October 15 7 minutes ago, Bushwa777 said: Fave because we are all broken. He’s got both sex and financial scandals. Where do you personally draw the line on that kind of behavior? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushwa777 Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 On all my picks I start at 0 and give points toward yes or no depending. Now I admit I did not see all the bad behavior he did.....I just read the Christian thing and figured you voted no since you tend to hate all Christians So in this case change my vote to Nay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted October 15 Author Share Posted October 15 28 minutes ago, Bushwa777 said: I just read the Christian thing and figured you voted no since you tend to hate all Christians This is completely untrue. Most of my friends are Christian. Most people from history that I like are Christian. There's only one faction of Christians that I come close to hating--that is, social Conservative Christians that use their religion for votes, especially those who are hypocrites. And really it isn't the people that I "hate," it's their leaders, espeically political leaders. Worst faction of politicians since Jim Crow Southern Democrats. For the most part, the sect of Christianity that I strongly oppose are conservative evangelicals. They probably drive more people from Christianity than they attract. You mention Ensign is okay "because everyone is broken," but by that logic, everyone would be favorable. Sure, everyone is broken, but not everyone is cheating on their wife with another person's wife, and using tax payer's money or donor money to cover it up. There's definitely a hierarchy to bad brokenness. For him, it's doubly bad because he did/does present himself as a faith-based person suitable for condemning similar transgressions into other people. He didn't volunteer his flaws. He had to be caught. He didn't even resign until financial scandal connected to his affair came out. He's a hypocrite. I'll vote against Religious Right hypcrites at every turn. I strongly encourage Christians to do so as well if they hope to win people back over to Christianity rather than scare them away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushwa777 Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 Well then I am sorry for mistaking that. I take my vote back and vote no 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pringles Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 1 hour ago, vcczar said: For the most part, the sect of Christianity that I strongly oppose are conservative evangelicals. To be fair, in my life upbringing, I fit this definition as an evangelical who is conservative. Southern Baptists are indeed evangelicals. I know you're just speaking in a specific definitional sense here, but I don't think I represent these same kinds of evangelicals that you dislike. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted October 15 Author Share Posted October 15 6 minutes ago, Pringles said: To be fair, in my life upbringing, I fit this definition as an evangelical who is conservative. Southern Baptists are indeed evangelicals. I know you're just speaking in a specific definitional sense here, but I don't think I represent these same kinds of evangelicals that you dislike. No you don’t fit the definition. You also don’t seem likely to be a hypocritical person. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushwa777 Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 Do I? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted October 16 Author Share Posted October 16 37 minutes ago, Bushwa777 said: Do I? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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