Nina Turner for Congress

[Timur]

1 hour ago, DakotaHale said:

LW: Chemtrails, PETA, and CIA probably killed this guy. 

Actually, the CIA killed Barack Obama with experimental chemicals that they use in airplanes and replaced him with a body double.

Edited July 29, 2021 by Timur

[Timur]

2 hours ago, Patine said:

What a lame political spectrum! No wonder U.S. politics is so braindead... 🤨

C'mon. Don't take it too seriously.

[Timur]

1 hour ago, Patine said:

It wasn't that serious if you look at the emote...

My computer has a problem reading those emotes and they show up as rectangular boxes, but I copied it and googled it, and the result was not a face with a tongue sticking out but a rather serious looking face.

[Timur]

10 minutes ago, Patine said:

It was a face with a raised eyebrow.

If it was meant for humor, my apologies for misunderstanding you.

[Hestia]

 

[Pringles]

Get Clyburned. 

It's a good day for America, as we avoided another member of the squad. 😎

[Pringles]

Just now, Patine said:

Who is Shontel Brown?

The person running against Turner that isnt a lunatic.

[Dobs]

Black Voters - 3

Socialism - 0

😎

[vcczar]

I like Nina Turner. I saw her speak in Philadelphia when she introduced Bernie Sanders. Powerful speaker. I don't think she can win elected federal office in OH. I'm okay with Shontel Brown. Not disappointed in the election, even though I hoped Turner would win. Brown will be the new US Rep since a GOPer hasn't a shot at beating Brown.

[Edouard]

From the moment that the "Pro Turner" part of the constituency only went for her 48,8 to 48 it was certain that she was going to lose to Brown.

Turner has made some harsh comments on Biden in the past even when he eventually has become the nominee, she paved the way for the tactical vote for Brown, however I do think that she would have won if she won the primary because of course the seat is heavily gerrymandered.

[SilentLiberty]

10 hours ago, vcczar said:

I like Nina Turner. I saw her speak in Philadelphia when she introduced Bernie Sanders. Powerful speaker. I don't think she can win elected federal office in OH. I'm okay with Shontel Brown. Not disappointed in the election, even though I hoped Turner would win. Brown will be the new US Rep since a GOPer hasn't a shot at beating Brown.

She's blaming money yet she raised more money than her opponent. I find that odd

[jvikings1]

2 minutes ago, SilentLiberty said:

She's blaming money yet she raised more money than her opponent. I find that odd

From the little I read, her opponent had a bunch of outside money pouring into the race (so it’s likely she was well outspent)

[vcczar]

45 minutes ago, SilentLiberty said:

She's blaming money yet she raised more money than her opponent. I find that odd

It wasn’t the money. Money doesn’t always translate into winning. Turner had the name recognition to spread her message. 

[Rodja]

18 minutes ago, Patine said:

 

 

I'm STILL wondering who, exactly, Shontel Brown is. Her Wikipedia article is pretty sparse (not quite a stub, but not not that big really), and doesn't go into personal ideology or platform much, really, and most of the rest that comes up is news articles, which are, of course, highly unreliable, given the current woeful state of American, "news," media (quotation marks used advisedly).

It didnt really matter who she is,she was pushed down voters throat by corrupt establishment of both parties to prevent Nina from winning.

Edited August 4, 2021 by Rodja

[Hestia]

Just now, Rodja said:

It didnt really matter who she is,she was pushed down voters throat by corrupt establishment of both parties to prevent Nina from winning.

She was the preferred choice of the district - she won after all. She wasn't pushed down voters' throats if she won fair and square. Nina ran a poor campaign and lost, simple as that.

[Hestia]

Just now, Patine said:

Though I don't know the details on this one specifically, saying that because someone won a vote means their choice of the voters, fair and square, doesn't always add up. In fact, it often fails more often than one would think, even in First World systems.

"Their choice of the voters" ? Explain that for me please.

[Hestia]

6 minutes ago, Patine said:

Though I don't know the details on this one specifically, saying that because someone won a vote means their the choice of the voters, fair and square, doesn't always add up. In fact, it often fails more often than one would think, even in First World systems.

I get your point but the reality is that one has to accept when they've lost. If Nina thinks she's a better champion for the district, run again next time, no one is stopping her. But dont call fraud or say it was unfair because you got outspent, thats not very gracious.

Edited August 4, 2021 by Hestia

[Edouard]

Shontel Brown was the chairman of the democratic party of Cleveland (Cuyahoga county) so she won the county where she was serving as democratic chairman, no surprise here

Turner won the other part of the district, Summit, but by a too narrow margin

And so you do the maths

Cuyahoga : 70% of democrats in Ohio 11th
Summit : 30% of democrats in Ohio 11th

Cuyahoga : Shontel Brown 50% Turner 43%
Summit Turner 48,8% Brown 48%

Moderates of the democratic party made a tactical vote but she also was from the main county of the district, so she won her place more convincly than Nina Turner won the other part of the constituency

Edited August 4, 2021 by Edouard

[Dobs]

7 minutes ago, Patine said:

Probably establishment figures and easily led voters who can't tell the difference between a Modern Progressive and a true Socialist, like our friend, @Dobs, for instance, given his post (and very unusual meme) a few upthread. 🙄

That face when you are so determined to be right and edgy you don’t even listen to people when they self-identify as socialists.

[MrPotatoTed]

I haven't followed the race closely, but as an Ohio resident, what might be lost in the conversation is that Ohio is an open primary state.  This means that Republicans can vote in the Democrat primaries (and vice versa).  Whether enough people did so to swing things one way or another, I don't know, but I can tell you it absolutely happens and is perfectly legal -- but you're only allowed to vote in one primary.  So you can't cast a vote in both the Republican and Democrat primary in the same election.

With that information, it's perhaps not surprising that a Bernie disciple didn't win the nomination.  

And honestly, I wish more states would adopt the open primary, because it's the best way for both parties to end up with candidates that represent the majority of voters.  For example, in 2016, despite Trump having such a dominating lead that it was obvious he'd be the ultimate Republican nominee, Ohio voters still voted for Kasich over Trump -- thanks to open primaries.  Give us 50 open primary states, and maybe Trump would never have been the nominee in the first place.

[Rodja]

8 minutes ago, Hestia said:

She was the preferred choice of the district - she won after all. She wasn't pushed down voters' throats if she won fair and square. Nina ran a poor campaign and lost, simple as that.

She barely won after being endorsed by Hillary and Clyburn and entire CBC plus received dark money from GOP groups.

[Hestia]

Just now, Rodja said:

She barely won after being endorsed by Hillary and Clyburn and entire CBC plus received dark money from GOP groups.

So? Turner lost after being endorsed by Bernie and AOC and was given money by Our Revolution. It goes both ways. You have to work with the playing field you're given, not complain when it doesn't go your way (Nina, not necessarily you specifically). 

[Pringles]

It's hard for me to have respect for people who can get angry about what Trump did, and rightfully so, but ignore their hypocrisy when it comes to Progressives and Democratic candidates. 

I've criticized both vigorously, and I hate both types of people. 

Turner has no respect and she doesn't belong in politics. It's always when Progressive candidates lose, they blame it on dark money, and blah blah blah. Some cases, sure, it's true. Only exception that I've seen might be Andrew Yang in New York. He conceded and endorsed Adams gracefully. 

Be humble in victory, and gracious in defeat.

[The Blood]

14 minutes ago, Hestia said:

So? Turner lost after being endorsed by Bernie and AOC and was given money by Our Revolution. It goes both ways. You have to work with the playing field you're given, not complain when it doesn't go your way (Nina, not necessarily you specifically). 

I think Nina should've conceded gracefully instead of making a show of it like she did last night, but I do think you have the right to point it out when a race is massively influenced by millions of dollars in outside spending, both from establishment donors/groups and donors from the opposing party. Nina ran her race and lost, but there was a clear mobilization of outside resources to take Brown from barely being a competitor to beating Nina which should be recognized.

[Rezi]

It's worth noting that in the 2016 Primary, Clinton won this district 67.9 - 32.1, and in 2020, Biden won it by an even larger margin. So Nina Turner actually outperformed Sanders by a large margin in the district.