vcczar Posted April 20, 2021 Author Share Posted April 20, 2021 @DakotaHale here's an example of a full list without me selecting only the interesting names: Brian Sanford Ernest McCarthy Zachary Eriksson Milledge Chandler Secular Lemke Cameron Chafee Jack Domenici Asle King Darwin Pompeo Gamaliel Stuart Purgatory Rutledge Buckner Cotton Lindley Stephens Asahel Mayfield Shadrach Gansevoort Johnny Woodcock Beau Planck Butch Warfield Aaron Hull Rawlins Poland Female Given Surname Belva Boomer Elza Wilkinson Gale Young Heaven Ginsburg Tyre Greene Becca Fitzsimons Martha Stearns Elaine Haig Madge Van Zandt Guadalupe Keating Benedicta Duane Cassiopeia Heitkamp Lucretia Nell Aurora Dorsey Kirsten Nelson Haley Rollins Kamala Bassett Helena Teague Connie Magoffin Mary Clay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 Today's generate draft. This time, let's say it's a presidential primary: Who do you vote for, assuming they are of your ideology? Note: I only pick the interesting names for the drafts. 90% of them are normal: Gov. Hugh Hurlbutt (WA) - transportation expertise, reformist, incoherent, frail, Hispanic Gov. Jocko Blunderlove (DE) - energy expertise, activist, controversial, likable, non-religious Sen. William al-Khattab (MD) - science expertise, civil rights, controversial, Asian, tribal religion Sec of Agric. Mary Ann Warcloud (AL) - agriculture expertise, theocrat, leadership, hale, native american @MrPotatoTed @ConservativeElector2 @Patine @Hestia @WVProgressive @Rezi @Rodja @Cal @Dobs @DakotaHale @Zenobiyl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hestia Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 I think I'd go either Warcloud or Blunderlove 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConservativeElector2 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Sec of Agric. Mary Ann Warcloud 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 Blunderlove for me, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezi Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Gov. Jocko Blunderlove or Sen. William al-Khattab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakotaHale Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Jocko by far 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 I ran the generator tonight, some of my favorites: Pepe Chicovsky, a white, frail Mormon conservative reformist kingmaker from Massachusetts. Mo Duop, a pliable Hispanic Jew egghead progressive nationalist from Delaware. Abracadabra Griswold, a black liberal Civil Rights debater from Hawaii. Philetus Hill, a media-savvy, likeable, lowbrow traditionalist non-religious theocrat from New Hampshire. Albinus Sawyer, a controversial but likeable Native-American Jew living in New York. Gouverneur Yarborough, a likeable but pliable liberal expansionist LGBT resident of Hawaii. Kai Richardson, a disharmonious progressive rightwing-activist Hispanic legislator from Vermont. Grover Donahue, a foreign-born black nationalist egghead in Alaska. Buffalo Gonzales, an uncharismatic black pacifist with integrity in Idaho. Sacagawea Bond, a female Traditionalist technology-buff puritan reformist Hispanic Buddhist woman in California. That's all from a single generation of 20 names -- 10 of them are pretty crazy, especially from the perspective of modern day (given that these are the politicians who would pop up between roughly 2020 through 2100). I really get a kick out of how hilarious some of these generations are, but I am worried that maybe too many of them are hilarious. Should be closer to 1-2 crazy names per generated draft, not 50%. Admittedly, not entirely sure how to fix that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 Second generation includes: Eggwigg Mountbatten Curly Joe Maxwell Asahel (asshole?) Darwin Eleutheros Manning Junot Campbell Eben Wadsworth Billiam Cabell Narcissa Leahy Juuls O'Bannon Lizby Ann Horner Saraojini Sturges Yuko Chenoweth Mushu Meskill Even ignoring funny personality and race mismatches, that's 13 crazy names in a list of 20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 Third generation: Seldon Gargamel Amadeus Lancelot Rawghlie Orestes Homer Elza That's 8 crazy first names out of 20, without even checking for race. And a let a few slide, such as Cecil, Dick, and Cleo. Maybe a weighted system where more common modern names are more likely to appear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 Okay, last one. Generation 4: Joschua Maathai Africa Herseth Lear Borwn Infant Gregg Otto Camejo Dixy Fox Hyacinth Stowe Arleigh Morton Blimunda Crenshaw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 I lied. One more. Generation 5: Magnus McMaster Penguin McLean Vail Moor LeBaron Knox Noyes DeWitt Orval Church Orin Nye Neymar Curtis Usain Wheaton Doy Clymer Zelda French Mamata Ritter Lady Cummings Zenobia Ahmad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobs Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 13 minutes ago, MrPotatoTed said: Billiam Cabell 13 minutes ago, MrPotatoTed said: Juuls O'Bannon 7 minutes ago, MrPotatoTed said: Infant Gregg 7 minutes ago, MrPotatoTed said: Dixy Fox 4 minutes ago, MrPotatoTed said: Penguin McLean 4 minutes ago, MrPotatoTed said: Lady Cummings These are just memes at this point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobs Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 Infant Gregg for President 2072 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 @vcczar Perhaps one solution would be to made all names era-limited. For example, John and Smith are available for all eras, but Gouvernor is only available in early US history. Also, tying names to ethnicity and ensuring that most candidates are white men will keep names more in line with American history, as sad as that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted April 22, 2021 Author Share Posted April 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Cal said: @vcczar Perhaps one solution would be to made all names era-limited. For example, John and Smith are available for all eras, but Gouvernor is only available in early US history. Also, tying names to ethnicity and ensuring that most candidates are white men will keep names more in line with American history, as sad as that is. I was initially doing that, but considering that I have over 6,000 names, I haven't the time to do that. I only got so far as to tag surnames "Spanish," "French," "Portuguese," and determine which names were "male" and "female" (allowing doubles for names that are unisex. I'm handling about 95% of the creation of this game. You're free to handle the task if it is a priority for you. I'm actually okay with the outdated names. It's like there ends up being a renaissance for archaic names in the future. I'd personally rather play as Philemon Frothingham or Christian al-Khattab than John Smith or Winona Clark. We don't know what kinds of names people will have in 2075 either. Anyway, as said, if you think it's a priority then you can handle it. I don't think I'll have time to do it until after the game is out. It's sort of like #72 on my priority list. Lots of other higher priority things, 95% which I'm doing solo. I also need to take a break from this game at some point. This isn't my only project. I'm undermining any chance at tenure by not writing. The creation of this game has been a huge sacrifice. I can't think of any other word. I have been a slave to this project for three years. It will be worth it once I can play it, but until I can play it, it's more of a chore 70% of the time, although about 30% of the time I wouldn't want to do anything else. If the game doesn't succeed (I'm sure it will though), I'll have wasted three years chained to a tomb. As such, I'd appreciate if you take on this chore if you think it is important to your playing experience. The generated names are going to be used primarily for gameplay beyond the historical timeline -- 2024-2099. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted April 22, 2021 Author Share Posted April 22, 2021 11 hours ago, MrPotatoTed said: Third generation: Seldon Gargamel Amadeus Lancelot Rawghlie Orestes Homer Elza That's 8 crazy first names out of 20, without even checking for race. And a let a few slide, such as Cecil, Dick, and Cleo. Maybe a weighted system where more common modern names are more likely to appear? See my response to Caleb above. However, I need you to focus on the Rules first, if you want to take on the task. This XML editor thing I have to do now is pure drudgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 14 minutes ago, vcczar said: See my response to Caleb above. However, I need you to focus on the Rules first, if you want to take on the task. This XML editor thing I have to do now is pure drudgery. Totally understand. I don't know how to automate fixing it, but I'm sure I can eventually figure it out after the rules are done. Maybe just adding a "weird name" marker (which wouldn't be visible to the player) and ensuring weird names show up at a rate of 1% or less. I can try to do that after I finish the rules. How large do you envision the "future era" draft classes being? I know the current generator creates 20 names, is that the number you're targeting at this time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 @vcczar I know you trimmed down the repetitious historical surnames, so we wouldn't have too many Roosevelts and Kennedys, etc. Did you do the same with repetitious first names? That might explain why I've never seen a John, etc, in my simulations and yet have encountered three or four Gargamels. If that's the case, I think I can fix it pretty easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted April 22, 2021 Author Share Posted April 22, 2021 9 minutes ago, MrPotatoTed said: Totally understand. I don't know how to automate fixing it, but I'm sure I can eventually figure it out after the rules are done. Maybe just adding a "weird name" marker (which wouldn't be visible to the player) and ensuring weird names show up at a rate of 1% or less. I can try to do that after I finish the rules. How large do you envision the "future era" draft classes being? I know the current generator creates 20 names, is that the number you're targeting at this time? 6 minutes ago, MrPotatoTed said: @vcczar I know you trimmed down the repetitious historical surnames, so we wouldn't have too many Roosevelts and Kennedys, etc. Did you do the same with repetitious first names? That might explain why I've never seen a John, etc, in my simulations and yet have encountered three or four Gargamels. If that's the case, I think I can fix it pretty easily. There's like 10 Johns for every Gargamel. One thing you could do is add 20 more Johns, Steves, and whatever common names you can think of and add 20 more Smiths, Roberts, and other common surnames. That would dilute the weird names. It would also be quicker than tagging names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 1 hour ago, vcczar said: There's like 10 Johns for every Gargamel. One thing you could do is add 20 more Johns, Steves, and whatever common names you can think of and add 20 more Smiths, Roberts, and other common surnames. That would dilute the weird names. It would also be quicker than tagging names. True! I'll look into that after the rule update is done 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted April 22, 2021 Author Share Posted April 22, 2021 17 minutes ago, MrPotatoTed said: True! I'll look into that after the rule update is done Yeah, I'm thinking: find the 10 to 20 most common male given names in the US. And paste these names in 20x each. find the 10 to 20 most common female given names in the US. And paste these names in 20x each. find the 10 to 20 most common surnames in the US. And paste these names in 20x each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted April 22, 2021 Author Share Posted April 22, 2021 @MrPotatoTed I added 200 more male names, female names, and about 500 surnames or more -- all top 20 names in the US for each category. This is my first generated draft. If it still seems problematic, just keep adding more common names: Male Given Surname Thompson Jay Rutherford Carter Huge Bloom Robert Rayner Nero Walton Edmond Knight Chris Dixon II Ernest Schneider Jared Thomas Emiliano Pettus Pat Jenkins Lane Taylor Rollin Lehman Oran Lamont Cary Parker Justin Robertson Infant Silsbee Pat McPherson Paul Bork Buell Pressler Female Given Surname Vicky Paca Myra Brown Patricia Jackson Patricia Hayes Kathryn Clark Harriet McConville Avril White Lucretia Ferry Mimi Deborah Jessica Sawyer Vickie Froth Penny Sergeant Susana Hiester Esperanza Tappan Mary Finnbogadottir Celeste Malone Sophonisba Dorr Nancy Duff Michelle Maclay Linda Johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 (edited) @vcczarI added roughly 300 more first and last names, using TV show characters, the most popular 2020 baby names list, and my own high school yearbook. Still getting more oddities than I'd expect. My new favorite was "Santa Crapper." I also got Pa Butz, Dick Tan, and Awful Grout. But overall, it's moving in the right direction. Male Given Surname Tim Blair Rick Obrego Chester Leroy Huey Conger Darren Bond Lewis Prouty Joseph Pahlavi Jackson Allard Elijah Cordle Amasa Owen Ken Sandhands Mahlon Kramer Todd Glickman Knute Dunn Friedrich Liu Sitting Sensenbrenner Lewis Rodriguez Khalid Pratsch Martin Bernard Hugh McEnery Female Given Surname Megahn Swayne Keri Comins Elvira Williams Burnita Jones Susan Caffery Dakota Barlow Ann Stafford Mary Lake Tina Buehler Terese Haines Lynn Briggs Aaliyah Allen Temperance Biggs Trinity Blumenthal Elizabeth Kirkpatrick Evelyn Roots Riley Powell Rosa Horgan Trinity Copeland Edith Heyward Edited April 23, 2021 by MrPotatoTed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted April 23, 2021 Author Share Posted April 23, 2021 @MrPotatoTed I added a few more names too. It's getting more normal. Only 2, arguably 4, unusual names in this 50 person draft.: Male Given Surname Mason Richards Pauly Moulton Satyajit Knowles Ray Martin Judah Hand Sean Commodore Mike Tan Abbott Lewis Jacky White Alex Hoch Thurlow Sadler Alexander Jordan Aiden Warcloud Merrill Smith Robert Woodruff Juan Taylor Maynard Garcia Alphonso Wetwinter Hamilton Mercer Malcolm Schley Female Given Surname Linda Maxwell Barbara Cambreleng Elaine Rivers Esperanza Moore Michelle Washburn Harper Singh Gaea Dulles Michele Hanly Chellie Hunnius Jenny Henderson Nancy Warner Catherine Taylor Sarah Fernandez Camilla Dukakis Eliana Cameron Nancy Hall Marie Cox Amy Crow Sara Lytle Joan Haggerty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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