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[vcczar]

58 minutes ago, Patine said:

I usually find certain other people's, and historical figure's, geneologies much more interesting than my own.

Why do you find yours less interesting?

[vcczar]

9 minutes ago, Patine said:

Probably because of the limited known family tree available.

I might be able to help with that for free when I have more time. 

[ConservativeElector2]

As my ancestry partly goes back to Czech and probably even Polish people, I think it's very probable that there were Jews among them, but I have no proof or real hint of that assumption. I am hoping it were true of course.

And I chose German for German-speaking ancestry, I have no proof of German ancestry in what is considered Germany today.

Edited April 19, 2021 by ConservativeElector2

[Edouard]

Edit.

Edited June 30, 2022 by Edouard

[ConservativeElector2]

1 hour ago, Patine said:

Remember, among Jews, if mixed blood is involved, only a maternal lineage is relevant. 

True. If I have Jewish ancestry it must be on my mother's side because that's the side which goes back to Western Slavic origin.

1 hour ago, Patine said:

I don't desire or see benefit in a revealed heritage I had no previous idea of, but many people do seem to admire those not among those they're raised among, and everyone has the right to their aspirations and hopes, so long as they don't take away from, or suppress others.

Yes, I am very much satisfied with my upbringing and would not want to change it any way, but I believe if I have an unknown ancestry in my family this tiny part is also part of how my family surroundings turned out. So I'd be also proud of this part, without turning down the parts of ancestry I already know. Without the tiny ingredients my upbringing could have been different, but as I am very satified with it, I also tend to like the unknown components, which I would be eager to discover.

[Edouard]

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Edited June 30, 2022 by Edouard

[Edouard]

1 hour ago, ConservativeElector2 said:

As my ancestry partly goes back to Czech and probably even Polish people, I think it's very probable that there were Jews among them, but I have no proof or real hint of that assumption. I am hoping it were true of course.

And I chose German for German-speaking ancestry, I have no proof of German ancestry in what is considered Germany today.

It's the Czech part that makes you nice 😉

Nah more honestly I had a polish friend when I was a child thanks to old immigration in eastern France, he and his family they were incredibly nice and generous

I am sure that it has to be more difficult with population movements to track down its ancestry than when you have a stable family in an quite united country like France

Edited April 19, 2021 by Edouard

[ConservativeElector2]

Just now, Patine said:

But what if you are a distant descendant of Attila the Hun, Vlad III Dracul, or the abuses of Bashi Bazouks?

Unlikely, but I wouldn't see a real problem there. These people aren't directly responsible for how I was brought up and I certainly would not feel responsible for their misdeeds. It would still be interesting to know. I am not sure if proudness would still be accompanied but I am not worrying about something that is veeery unlikely.

I was not sure who or what Bashi Bazouks but I googled them.

[ConservativeElector2]

5 minutes ago, Edouard said:

It's the Czech part that makes you nice 😉

Hahah yeah but it's distant. I have no knowledge of Czech language, my mum has limited knowledge. But if asked no one of us would identify as Czech. It's too distant for that.

French ancestry would also be cool, as you say your country is much more united. That's makes it unlikely to have more than French ancestry though

[Edouard]

Just now, Patine said:

France was only DECLARED united ARBITRARILY by the French Revolutionaries, who decided that the Oil dialect of French would be, "the French language," and a motley collection of ethno-cultural groups would be forced together into a, "French nation," - whether they liked it or not. "Fraternity," and, "unity," overrided, "liberty," in that case.

Yes I know what I mean is that from François Ier (circa) every churches had the order to register people when they were born

[vcczar]

According to a DNA test, I also have Scandinavian and Baltic DNA, but I'm not sure where that's coming from. I think one of my German ancestors might actually be Baltic or something. I know some English people also get Scandinavian, so that might actually be English. 

I know my German ancestors are diverse. I have some from the Palatine, some Swabian Germans just north of Switzerland, Low Country Germans near the Netherlands, Germans near Poland (possibly the ones with Baltic DNA), and Slavic Germans near Czech border. 

My other Slavic ancestors are Czech (Bohemian and Moravian). One of the Moravians is right next to the Polish border and some are near the Slovakian border, so they might share some of that DNA, but I'm not sure. 

My English DNA is mostly from outside of London, a lot near Norfolk and in Devon. I also have some Welsh. 

Prior to 1500, I have DNA from all over Europe since I have proven royal ancestry, and they married all across the continent. My most recent known royal ancestor is King Edward I, although it's possible I could link up to Edward III. At least 25% of Americans that can link their ancestors to early colonial Massachusetts or Virginia will likely be able to prove royal ancestry. It's isn't too uncommon. The truth is that most people of European descent probably link up to a royal at some point. Proving it is the hard part. 

Since I all European royals link up to Charlemagne, I know that some of my ancestry goes back to Gallo-Romans -- Frankish Roman Citizens that ruled Gaul (France).It's also very probable that my early ancestors would have had DNA from the Huns and other nomadic invaders. The Europeans were once Indo-Europeans, a nomadic horse people from West Central Asia before they domesticated in Europe.  

 

[DakotaHale]

I remember finding sub Saharan from a 23andMe test but was never able to find any black or African ancestors in my family tree.

@vcczar hypothesized that there was a chance that since many of my ancestors were from Virginia that there’s a chance that one of my real ancestors may have been a illegitimate child of either a slave-slaveowner or from some other person who had African ancestry.

Either way I find it interesting to think that my genealogy on paper may not be my real ancestry at all.

Either that or the test could have been a fluke. I haven’t seen any results from any immediate family to confirm it. I took the test long ago and may take another one with my mom just to see. 

[DakotaHale]

12 hours ago, Patine said:

Remember, among Jews, if mixed blood is involved, only a maternal lineage is relevant. As a Humanist and a strong expounder of the fellowship of all upon the Earth parts of Christ's Ministry, myself, who believes intrinsic demographic boundaries and definitions are detrimental and sharp impediments to the good of society, good fellowship, and even the hope of moving boldly toward true equality, harmony, peace, tolerance, and opportunity for all as even an ideal, I don't desire or see benefit in a revealed heritage I had no previous idea of, but many people do seem to admire those not among those they're raised among, and everyone has the right to their aspirations and hopes, so long as they don't take away from, or suppress others.

Out of curiosity. As a ‘humanist’ do you believe that humans have done more good or harm to the world than if they had never existed at all? I know you have a strong distaste for nihilism but you’ve also never struck me as an anti-Minsanthrope either. I’ve never quite understood the Humanist mindset and prefer when someone explains it personally rather than Googling. 

[DakotaHale]

1 minute ago, Patine said:

Of course, lumping together over 800 ethno-linguistic groups, and about 100 post-colonial slavery ones, into one heritage, when most European ones are finer graded, is probably an ingrained and subconscious Western scholarly conceit @vcczar has fallen victim to. He wouldn't be nearly unique, though, and it's really the fault of our upbringing, not his own...

It was a while ago in an email. I forgot most of the details so I had to generalize. The fault is on me, not him.  But to be fair that was what 23andMe specifically said “sub Saharan”. I assume it’s because unfortunately there isn’t as much paperwork and genetic research to separate the African nations into separate nationalities pre-1900 so they had to lump them together the best they could. 

[vcczar]

1 hour ago, Patine said:

Of course, lumping together over 800 ethno-linguistic groups, and about 100 post-colonial slavery ones, into one heritage, when most European ones are finer graded, is probably an ingrained and subconscious Western scholarly conceit @vcczar has fallen victim to. He wouldn't be nearly unique, though, and it's really the fault of our upbringing, not his own...

I split and lump for practical reasons. About 9/10 anyone in this forum is primarily going to be of European descent. Once we get a more diverse membership, I'll gladly expand the regional options. There's no reason for me to waste time typing out 800 options in Africa when I don't think we have a single member of recent African descent, for instance.

[Pringles]

5 minutes ago, vcczar said:

I split and lump for practical reasons. About 9/10 anyone in this forum is primarily going to be of European descent. Once we get a more diverse membership, I'll gladly expand the regional options. There's no reason for me to waste time typing out 800 options in Africa when I don't think we have a single member of recent African descent, for instance.

Oh come on vcczar... you really need to up your polling creation game! No tolerance for practicality here. Do better or else! Jk. 

😛

[DakotaHale]

Indigenous North American means Native American right? I struggle to think that I am the only one with Native-American ancestry here... My great-aunt was pure Cherokee.

[Pringles]

In fact I believe I'd like to file a complaint. I am half Bulgarian. Why isnt that included in Balkan Slavic? I am offended! You forgot my people!!! Shame!

[jnewt]

Decided I'd try to do some ancestry research, but I couldn't find/confirm much because all of the websites require subscriptions to confirm or save matches. Do you use a certain website that doesn't require payment? @vcczar

[vcczar]

9 minutes ago, jnewt said:

Decided I'd try to do some ancestry research, but I couldn't find/confirm much because all of the websites require subscriptions to confirm or save matches. Do you use a certain website that doesn't require payment? @vcczar

No. I have a subscription. But you can sign up for free on Familysearch.org. You can access some free records there, such as US Census records, birth records, etc. That's what I used before I had a subscription. 

Basically, you'll have to know a pre-1940 ancestor's year of birth, their name, and a location in 1940 or birth location pre-1940. This is because US Census records aren't available for 1950-present yet. If you can get to there, you'll likely get back to 1890 or to 1850. Before 1850, it's going to get a little more difficult. Before 1800, you'll have to rely on other people's work by google the name of these older ancestors, but be very skeptical of their work. It seems like 70% of trees are wish fulfillment or rife with errors. Make sure they have supporting evidence. 

[vcczar]

Considering I have access to paid sites for genealogical research, I'm open to helping people find their ancestors. Just so you know, it's going to be kind of casual, so any results I find will be on a leisurely schedule. If I'm paid, I'll do the work quickly, but I'm willing to help for free if I work at my discretion. There's something relaxing about genealogical work. 

 @Hestia @Patine @Dobs @DakotaHale @jnewt @MrPotatoTed and anyone else. 

Just know that if you are interested in my helping that my expertise in genealogy is mostly in the English-speaking world. However, I have some experience in German genealogy, and fortunately much of this has been translated into English. I also have minor experience with Czech, Mexican, and Italian research but most of this requires records that aren't translated. While I can translate these, I'm not going to attempt to for free. 

[Hestia]

2 hours ago, vcczar said:

Considering I have access to paid sites for genealogical research, I'm open to helping people find their ancestors. Just so you know, it's going to be kind of casual, so any results I find will be on a leisurely schedule. If I'm paid, I'll do the work quickly, but I'm willing to help for free if I work at my discretion. There's something relaxing about genealogical work. 

 @Hestia @Patine @Dobs @DakotaHale @jnewt @MrPotatoTed and anyone else. 

Just know that if you are interested in my helping that my expertise in genealogy is mostly in the English-speaking world. However, I have some experience in German genealogy, and fortunately much of this has been translated into English. I also have minor experience with Czech, Mexican, and Italian research but most of this requires records that aren't translated. While I can translate these, I'm not going to attempt to for free. 

I would maybe be willing to, absolutely no rush 😄 I would need to locate some things. My grandfather on my father's side's father or mother is kind of nebulous/not sure so we've always been a little curious. They're all German pretty much 😛 I'll keep the offer in mind!

[jnewt]

3 hours ago, vcczar said:

Considering I have access to paid sites for genealogical research, I'm open to helping people find their ancestors. Just so you know, it's going to be kind of casual, so any results I find will be on a leisurely schedule. If I'm paid, I'll do the work quickly, but I'm willing to help for free if I work at my discretion. There's something relaxing about genealogical work. 

 @Hestia @Patine @Dobs @DakotaHale @jnewt @MrPotatoTed and anyone else. 

Just know that if you are interested in my helping that my expertise in genealogy is mostly in the English-speaking world. However, I have some experience in German genealogy, and fortunately much of this has been translated into English. I also have minor experience with Czech, Mexican, and Italian research but most of this requires records that aren't translated. While I can translate these, I'm not going to attempt to for free. 

I need to save up for grad school, so I don't think I can pay at all, but I would be interested in seeing what you could find at your convenience. I'm aware that I have ancestors from England, Ireland, and Germany, but I'm not sure where else.