The Most Complete Presidential Nominees

[vcczar]

This is somewhat based on the 270Soft President Infinity Ratings for candidates, but I'm changing them up a bit. 

Terms and definitions: 

Leadership - Leads and influences a group of people in a cohesive manner. Has the traits of a leader, included being civic-minded, visionary, inspiring, take responsibility, dependable, show courage, decisive, unselfish, team player, etc. 

Integrity - Honest to the voters, the people, to his or her own family. Has lived an upstanding life. Promotes and inspired other to be the best people they can be. Empathetic, generous, humanistic, and goodwill-oriented to all people, of all countries, of all faiths, of all backgrounds. Reliable. Etc.

Political Expertise - Like experience but more specifically the skill at dealing with DC politicians, politicos, etc. to get things done. 

Issue Knowledge - Complete understand of the past, present, future of issues that face America. Can speak in complete depth on these issues. Has excellent recall on facts, figures, ideas. Can come up with their own ideas. 

Public Presence - This takes place of charisma and debate. It combines oratory, physical appearance, humor, likability, charisma, cult appeal, etc. 

Here's my preliminary ranking. I'll probably adjust it as I made it in only like 30 minutes: 

	Total	Leadership	Integrity	Pol. Expertise	Issues	Presence
Lincoln	38	10	8	5	7	8
T Roosevelt	38	8	7	6	7	10
Jefferson	38	7	6	9	10	6
Clay	38	9	5	10	8	6
FD Roosevelt	37	10	4	6	7	10
Jackson	36	9	4	7	7	9
Reagan	35	8	5	6	6	10
Washington	34	6	9	5	6	8
Blaine	34	8	4	7	7	8
LB Johnson	33	6	4	9	8	6
Bryan	33	7	7	4	6	9
Madison	32	4	6	9	9	4
Wilson	32	8	4	6	7	7
Carter	32	4	10	4	8	6
JQ Adams	32	4	9	5	10	4
Douglas	32	6	5	7	8	6
Biden	31	6	6	7	6	6
Hoover	30	4	7	7	8	4
Monroe	30	4	6	7	7	6
Obama	30	6	6	4	6	8
McKinley	29	5	5	7	6	6
Van Buren	29	6	4	8	6	5
B Clinton	29	6	3	6	7	7
Cleveland	29	5	8	5	6	5
Truman	29	6	6	6	6	5
King	29	4	7	6	7	5
McCain	29	6	5	7	6	5
Dole	29	6	5	7	7	4
Hughes	29	6	6	6	6	5
Tilden	29	6	7	5	7	4
Eisenhower	28	6	7	4	5	6
Coolidge	28	4	9	5	6	4
Taft	28	4	9	5	6	4
Garfield	28	4	8	5	6	5
Kennedy	28	5	4	4	6	9
J Adams	28	4	6	5	9	4
Stevenson	28	6	6	5	7	4
Humphrey	28	5	5	7	7	4
Nixon	27	5	2	8	7	5
WH Harrison	27	5	6	5	5	6
GHW Bush	27	5	5	6	6	5
McGovern	27	4	6	6	7	4
Seymour	27	5	6	5	6	5
Dewey	27	6	6	5	6	4
D Clinton	27	5	5	5	6	6
Gore	27	5	5	6	7	4
Polk	26	5	4	6	6	5
Mondale	26	4	6	6	6	4
Kerry	26	5	5	6	6	4
Ford	26	5	5	6	6	4
Cass	26	5	5	6	6	4
Romney	26	5	5	5	6	5
GW Bush	25	5	4	5	5	6
Hayes	25	3	6	5	6	5
Goldwater	25	5	5	5	6	4
Landon	25	4	7	5	5	4
Smith	25	5	4	5	6	5
Dukakis	25	5	5	5	6	4
Grant	24	6	5	3	4	6
Pierce	24	4	4	5	5	6
Cox	24	5	5	5	5	4
Buchanan	23	3	3	7	6	4
B Harrison	23	4	5	5	6	3
H Clinton	23	4	4	6	6	3
Wilkie	22	5	5	2	4	6
Davis	22	3	5	5	5	4
Harding	21	3	3	5	4	6
Scott	21	5	5	3	3	5
Fremont	21	3	5	3	3	7
Parker	20	2	7	4	4	3
Hancock	20	4	6	2	2	6
Taylor	19	3	7	2	2	5
Trump	19	5	2	2	3	7
McClellan	19	3	4	2	3	7
CC Pinckney	19	4	5	3	3	4
Greeley	16	3	5	2	3	3

 

[MrPotatoTed]

Pointless to debate arbitrary ratings of course, but you're doing my boy W dirty again.  ;c)  

The man had integrity in spades.  He was sometimes wrong about things, but that was due to a poor rating on the "Issues", not "integrity." 

If he said he was going to do something, he did it.  I'm not aware of any action he took during his presidency for personal gain -- it was all because he sincerely believed that it was for the best of the country.  You can say he was wrong about that, and that's fine, but that has nothing to do with integrity.

Outstanding leadership too, for that matter.

[pilight]

Washington is famously remembered for never telling a lie.  While that's clearly an exaggeration, it does speak to how he was regarded in terms of integrity.  He should be a 10.

[MrPotatoTed]

39 minutes ago, Patine said:

As I've said before, he's not, "doing your W dirty again," Bush is dirty. The (Un)Patriot Act, the Iraq War and it's flimsy, contrived, lie of a casus belli, torture and other criminal atrocities in Guantanamo Bay, and other shit are NOT a sign of, "integrity," in a leader. Quite the opposite. But you seem to be just as worshipful of Bush, and incapable of seeing his glaring flaws, lies, crimes, and betrayals, as a radical Trumpist is of Trump.

Show me where he gained from any of that, and you’ll convince me.

But as far as I can tell, he spends his days painting portraits of the men who were injured under his watch, and donating the profits, as penance.

He is not the evil mastermind you pretend that he is, just because he disagrees with you.

[Edouard]

Seems fair !

I actually used it to joke but the cool test always works

The cooler nominee has always ended up as president of the US since 1948 Truman v Dewey

[MrPotatoTed]

2 hours ago, Patine said:

His own personal profits are not the only possible factor at play. It seems obvious there many very evil, wicked, and manipulative individuals (like Count Richard of Cheney, a cadet house of Dracul and Bathory, the Dark Lord of the Sith, for instance) and organizations (like Haliburton, which Cheney was a shareholder in, the CIA, the world's largest, most prolific, and most well-funded terrorist organization - how ironic for a, "War on Terror," - that his Daddy had lead once, and the ominous shadow on U.S. politics that is the Theocratic Absolute Monarchy that does share, and is opposed to, Western values and ideals, of Saudi Arabia), that had highly undue influence and sway on his Administration, and it seemed he capitulated to a lot of their evil, and such passive support is also a form of a lack of integrity. In many Governments in history, around the world, the one holding the title or office of apex power is not always the one running the show, de facto. I, more and more, believe this may very well be case with the George W. Bush Administration.

Even if we assume that you are correct...how is this a reflection of George W Bush's integrity?  If he was truly a puppet, not knowing the manner in which he was being manipulated, how is that HIS crime?