Pringles Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 November 14th, 1990 It is the night of November 14th, 1990. Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher would sit in her office re-evaluating her entire career on this very night. However, she would quickly come to the realization that she must fight on. She was the Iron Lady after all. This wouldn't be her final fight, would it? The previous weeks were quite tumultuous for the Prime Minister. And the country. The Confederation of British Industry officially confirms that the country is in a recession. With all regions reporting a fall in output. A day ago, November 13th, one of the Prime Ministers long-time allies, Geoffrey Howe resigned over the Prime Minister’s hostility to the European Commission. As if things couldn’t get any worse, the prominent Former Secretary of Defense Michael Heseltine, a renowned leader of the “Wets” had just announced that he will be challenging the Prime Minister’s leadership. Only time shall tell if his candidacy proves to be the killing blow to Margaret Thatcher’s premiership. On the Labour side of things, Neil Kinnock finally sees the opening he’s been waiting for in his entire time as Leader of the Opposition. A recession looming, division amongst Conservatives, and only a year away from an election. Perhaps Kinnock’s chance at 10th Downing Street is closer than ever. Perhaps this would be the beginning of his rise as Prime Minister? Or will he face a challenge from the Left once again, as he did in 1988? Only time shall tell. 1992 General Election Opinion Polling Labour: 46% Conservatives: 32% Liberal Democrats: 15% Other: 7% (expect these at the end of every roundup) Labour: Labour Left- @Fbarbarossa Soft Left- @Cal Labour Right- @WVProgressive Conservative: High Tories- @ConservativeElector2 Thatcherites- @Dobs One Nation Conservatives- Open Other Parties: Liberal Democrats- @Edouard Scottish National Party- @Hestia Plaid Cymru- @Hestia UKIP- @Cenzonico Greens- @Sean F Kennedy Michael Meadowcraft- @The Blood Hello all! Here we have something that I cooked up in the last few days. While I was initially planning to do a California recall, I figured we go on ahead and try to do a large scale, flava packed, 1990-Present UK RP. I know we're now going to be running 2 UK RP's alongside each other, but now we have @Fbarbarossa in his rightful place as controller of the Labour Left faction. And of course, his idol, Tony Benn. 😛 With that said, let me do some explaining. We will sort out election rules when 1992 comes. We start on November 14th, 1990. Once we find a One Nation Conservative player we will begin a D100 roll for the leadership campaign of Prime Minister Thatcher, and Heseltine. Upon the conclusion of that, and a potential Labour challenge if one is offered, we will have a super short governing period for 1991. 3 turns, and head straight into the 1992 election. Governing Period Rules Major parties must agree on 1 legislative item to propose each turn. (This may change after the 1992 election) Smaller parties are allowed to also propose 1 item each turn if they wish to do so. I will assume the role of 2 things in this universe. The Speaker, and the House of Lords. We will follow a similar system to the one found in @Dobs RP's... meaning a roll for a bills reception will be done, and then you will state your position, I will calculate the votes, etc. Spreadsheet So, I have a nice spreadsheet made here where we will keep track of everything. Instead of assigning a faction to every, single, representative which is quite tedious, I've thought up a new way to calculate the influence each faction has on a party. I call it, the influence meter. The percentage of your influence equals the amount of MPs in your faction out of the entire party you're in. These percentages will change based one events in the RP, for example, a leader of your faction is very unpopular, may result in lower faction influence at the end of the year when I do end of the year rolls. You will also have a chance to increase your factions influence when elections are occurring. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j3dr-fX4VkCaZRyDWkzN-1Dz0NWSLtIqWWELelIetLY/edit?usp=sharing End of Year Rolls and Other Shenanigans At the end of the year, a D100 roll will be conducted in the following order upon the status of three key issues, Economy, Social, and Foreign issues. Deaths will remain the same as IRL whether that be assassinations, natural causes, etc. (unless of course, you try to assassinate someone.) 😛 By-Elections happen quite frequently throughout a year in the UK, and we will continue to go by them in this RP. I've calculated By-elections that have already occurred from 1987-1990, and they have been inputted into the spreadsheet. We will continue with By-Elections, which will not have any kind of special campaigning, just a statement of who you want to run, a sentence of what they'll do, etc. etc, and a D100 roll will decide the fate of the By-election. Conclusion With that said, I can't wait to begin. Once we have a One Nation Conservative player, we will officially begin Tory leadership candidates making their moves, and potentially Labour candidates... if a challenge occurs. 😉 @Rezi @Kitten and anyone else interested can take the One Nation Conservatives! Good luck! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pringles Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 BBC Headlines - November 19th, 1990 Major job cuts are reported to be on the way at the Rover Group, Britain's largest independent carmaker. Unemployment projected to be on the rise again, falling to a low of 7% last month, economists predict 12% unemployment before the year is over. Tory Leadership Election At exactly noon tomorrow, the Conservative Party will hold it's first round of voting in their respective leadership election. Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher has been challenged by Former Secretary of Defense Michael Heseltine. While the Prime Minister appears to be in comfortable position despite growing disapproval outside of her party, many operatives in the Conservative Party believe the contest has potential to be closer than expected. The Prime Minister is currently headed to France tonight on a diplomatic visit. And Former Secretary Heseltine will arrive at the House of Commons tomorrow as he makes his final pitch to MP's tonight. The Prime Minister is expected to phone her allies and ensure that everything goes well at noon tomorrow. Only time shall tell. I'm Michael Burke of the BBC, and we wish all of you, a good night. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- @Fbarbarossa @Cal @WVProgressive @ConservativeElector2 @Dobs @Edouard @Hestia @Cenzonico @Sean F Kennedy @The Blood Alright everyone, let the first turn begin! @Dobs and @The Blood will need to make their Leadership election moves. 1 move only, a few sentences is completely fine! But I enjoy flava. 😄 @Cenzonico has officially changed to the BNP. So have fun with that. 😛 With that said, for everyone else, legislation may begin being proposed now! Familiarize yourself with the time period and ask any questions if needed! I look forward to reading flava! Legislation rules: Major parties must agree on one piece of legislation to propose. (May change after 1992 Election) Smaller parties may propose 1 piece of legislation. Simply specify if you'd like to not propose anything this turn, you'll have plenty to vote on next turn! The spreadsheet is finalized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hestia Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 The SNP proposes the Scotland Act of 1990 The bill is proposed by the SNP's MPs jointly. The bill will provide a directly elected Scottish Parliament on the Additional Member System (AMS - the real life version 😛 ), where some members are elected by a constituency vote, and others by regional list votes. They fiercely back the bill and will go after any Scottish MP who votes against it. It's time for Scotland to take it's future into its own hands! Plaid will not propose anything this turn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean F Kennedy Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 The Green Party begins handing out flyers to join the party in areas of London and Liverpool. “Revolution” by the Beatles is played at their small HQs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVProgressive Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 The Labour Party proposes a VAT standard rate reduction of 3%, from 15%, to 12%, citing a need to put money in the hands of working class Britons who are disproportionately burdened by taxes like the VAT, and to stimulate commerce to boost the economy. The Labour Party also commissions a poll that asks British likely voters their opinion on Nationalized Pharmaceuticals, as well as their opinions on Nationalized Mental Care, and Nationalized Dental Care separately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edouard Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 (edited) L Libdem office - November 1990 Libdem staffer : Boss ! What do you think about the leadership election? Paddy Ashdown : The situation is not bad. We are at a moment where we, as a third party, can finally prevail. What about the Labour party? Neil Kinnock got severely defeated in 1987 and they kept him. Ah, sure, polls predict a labour landslide, like they predicted Thatcher to get out by 1981. The Conservatives are in power since 11 years, it's time for us to play a decisive alternative that will force labour to show if it's a real moderate party, and the PM to show her real allegiance. We can win a big percentage of the electorate if we show the best of the two worlds, and that is exactly what I am about to do. LEGISLATION PROPOSAL @Pringles The Libdems decided to play on a shoking image to begin the electoral moment. Paddy Ashdown in the name of the Libdems MPs submit a bill which aim to erase progressively any injustified wage gap between men and women at work, the bill also includes more incentives to favorize women's employment. Paddy Ashdown (LD-Yeovil) : It's not because our Premier is a woman that women of this country have an easy access to employment. Libdems MPs : Yeeeaaaah ! Paddy Ashdown (LD-Yeovil) : It's time in our country to adopt clear policies, which both favorize and enforce fights against women discrimination to get into employment at a time where the current job crisis may accentuates discriminations against her ! The rise of unemployment risks to create a more injustified situation between men and women, we can not accept that ! A tory backbencher seems to say : Urgency is to find jobs ! Paddy Ashdown (LD-Yeovil) : I do also agree with my honorable gentlemen, this is why the Libdems FIRMLY invites both major parties to submit a bill in the duty to LOWER taxs on small businesses, the Liberal Democrats will be firm promotor AND defensor of such a bill and we invite every parties to adopt BOTH a reduction of taxs on small business and/or on the Middle class as well as to support our gender equality access to work bill ! Edited June 30, 2022 by Edouard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobs Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 The Prime Minister sat in her suite at Fontainebleau. She had been here numerous times before. She had had whispers of challenge and challenges numerous times before. It had been her very own challenge which had knocked off Ted Heath in 1975. Now she rounded her 15th year as Party leader, her 11th as Prime Minister. Something felt.. different. Who knows what it was, but it was different. The French (she thought with extreme disdain) could not be allowed to kept waiting. The presence of the Prime Minister in Paris was required for the good of the country. But, this time was different. This government, she, had come so far. It couldn't be stolen like this, it wouldn't be stolen like this. She picked up her phone and wrang the suite of Foreign Minister. "Douglas, hold the fort for me tonight. I have some calls to make back to London." With a solemn, "Yes, Prime Minister", Foreign Secretary Douglas Hurd heard the phone disconnect and began on his way to the reception as the most senior British official. This was just how the Prime Minister wanted it. As soon as she hung up on her Foreign Secretary, it was phonebooking time. She opened her rolodex of Conservative MPs and began to wring them all. A call from the Prime Minister, impossible to decline. "Geoffrey" "Trevor" "George" "Anne" "Michael" "Anthony" "Barry" "Alan" She knew the names. She knew her caucus. They knew her too. For better or for worse, they knew their fearless leader. Their stalwart opponent of Socialism and the champion of free markets and British civil identity. Oh, they knew her. And as she looked across her room, during a lull in the furious phonebanking, she saw a picture Denis had never failed to bring with him and set on his side of the bed- no matter where they traveled. A younger woman, to be sure, but a proud woman, a confident woman: his wife on the evening of her crowning achievement. She exhaled deepy. That woman was not gone. No, Britain still needed that woman. And By God, come morning, they would still have her. The Prime Minister slid back into her heels, closer her rolodex, donned a deep maroon power suit and just as she closed out the light, the glimmer of that picture caught her eye one last time. As she walked down the hallway to begin schmoozing the pants off the frogs awaiting her, just one thought crossed her mind: Victory. Margaret Thatcher, shortly after her election as Prime Minister, 1979 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitten Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 The SDLP will begin to fundraise in preparation for the next General Election. The SDLP introduces legislation that will put a referendum to the people of Northern Ireland, on reunification of Northern Ireland with Ireland. Poll: Just a generic Northern Ireland one 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hestia Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 10 hours ago, Hestia said: The SNP proposes the Scotland Act of 1990 The bill is proposed by the SNP's MPs jointly. The bill will provide a directly elected Scottish Parliament on the Additional Member System (AMS - the real life version 😛 ), where some members are elected by a constituency vote, and others by regional list votes. They fiercely back the bill and will go after any Scottish MP who votes against it. It's time for Scotland to take it's future into its own hands! Plaid will not propose anything this turn. *oops* Poll Request: SCOTTISH INDEPENDENCE Party Event: The Scottish Nationalists will begin to build infrastructure in the so-called 'Central Belt' of the more populous regions of Scotland, historically Labour areas but are seat-rich and ripe for some gains by the SNP. ----- Plaid Events! Poll Request: Wales-specific general election poll Party Event: Plaid Cymru hosts a roundtable in Cardiff where they invite anyone and everyone to come join in an informative session about Welsh independence and further devolution until a time where independence can be achieved for Wales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Blood Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 Michael Heseltine knows that this is his moment. The moment where he can save the Tories from quickly approaching defeat and disgrace. This outcome has been a known likelihood for quite some time, as Thatcher's popularity has continued to tumble. Heseltine knows why it's been tumbling. The divisiveness, the control handed to a faction of the party which has quickly alienated countless with its policies. Heseltine knows that this is his moment. A short span of time where he has a chance to save the party he loves. As such, with his campaign beginning, he will establish a 3-pronged strategy: 1. Steer the conversation towards the future of the party and its prospects for another successful election. Though ideology plays a role in this discussion, this election is about the future of the party electorally, and more time under Thatcher will only mean polls dropping further and further down. We need someone new in Downing Street to revive the party and help steer it forward to another electoral victory. 2. Tying into the last prong, Heseltine will meet with MPs regardless of their ideology or leanings, not just attempting to motivate votes from those ideologically similar to himself. He hopes to show himself as a considerate leader who will take into account all factions in the party, working with them to help achieve victory. 3. Heseltine will meet with MPs in swing constituencies. These vulnerable officials have seen Thatcher's popularity be made a shadow of its former self, and Heseltine will be there to promise that under new leadership, he will be able to revive the party and secure their reelection. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cenzonico Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 No action this turn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConservativeElector2 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 John Redwood, the de-facto leader of the High Tory faction will support Thatcher in her bid to remain party leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 Soft Labour will have no actions this turn. We are going to wait to see if @WVProgressive is challenging our dear leader before getting involved in the leadership race as a potential kingmaker between the two factions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pringles Posted April 22, 2021 Author Share Posted April 22, 2021 (edited) BBC News - November 20th, 1990 Parliamentary Motions Scotland Act of 1990 (10!): The SNP proposed bill is a hit back home and Scottish citizens are in awe! For many this is finally a dream come true, a step forward in the devolution and self-governance of Scotland. Many MPs in the rest of the country and even the two main political parties are now recognizing the potential momentum that the SNP has among Scottish citizens. While the bill will certainly have opposition in the Conservative Parliament, it will certainly lay the groundwork for the SNP's hopeful success. VAT Reduction Bill (2): Proposed by the Labour Party; The bill is lukewarmly received among the base and while it had potential to branch out to other parties in Parliament, many see it as a clear political ploy by Labour against the current Government. Some on the Left see it as too little, and want a large VAT reduction, more nationalization of industries, and other left wing policies that will benefit the working class. Gender Equality Bill (10!): Proposed by the Liberal Democrats; The bill is extremely popular and many female MP's immediately sign on board. Women around the country watch as Paddy Ashdown's charisma carries the day in Parliament. Political commentators see it as a huge foundation for the Liberal Democrats potential success in the upcoming 92' election. The bill is likely to face opposition from the Conservatives as many High Tories and Thatcherites see it as way too left wing due to the measures included to eliminate the wage gap. Irish Reunification Referendum Bill (2): While the bill might please some Northern Irish, disaster ensues as the Ulster Volunteer Force and Irish Republican Army begin clashing in the streets once more. In fact, the UVF is so angered by the proposal a mortar attack ensues on a SDLP campaign office. Some are hurt, but no one dead thankfully. This is likely to be met with fierce opposition as the mood of the country is longing for some law and order, and less bombings. Party Events Green Party Event (5): The new party certainly has a long way to go and while they don't start with huge momentum, they certainly are getting their message of left wing environmentalism out there. Time will tell if they translate it into electoral success. SDLP Fundraiser (7): The fundraiser goes well as MP John Hume turns out the donors. SNP Party Event (10!): It was the only way it could go with the major PR from the Scotland Act. SNP is working up quite the ground game, and they're ready for some blood. Plaid Cymru Event (8): Plaid has a good day and the roundtable sees quite the turnout from locals. A good start. Many of the Welsh people certainly enjoy and support devolution. Conservative Party Leadership Election As the Prime Minister resides in Fontainebleau, her final phone calls to her allies would be quite successful (80/100). Despite Geoffrey Howe resigning just a few weeks prior, the call was quite cordial. While he still intended upon supporting Heseltine for the first round, he makes it clear, that the disagreements and any anger displayed towards the Prime Minister when he resigned is in the past now. The rest of the calls went as imagined, and Thatcher has certainly solidified her wing of the party and has avoided any potential traitors when the votes come in. Michael Heseltine would do a final stretch of meeting with MP's and his attempts to sway as many people as possible is successful (62/100). Many MPs on the moderate end of the party resonate with Heseltine's points on the future of the party, and the messaging that the party should have. Nigel Lawson, considered one of Heseltines right hand men whips as many on the fence MPs as he can. With both campaigns doing quite well, pundits predict the vote may be closer than expected, and much will depend on the amount of abstentions. Conservative Party Leadership Election ResultsFirst Round Margaret Thatcher - 212 (57.26%) Michael Heseltine - 157 (42.20%) Abstention - 3 (0.54%) This is the closest leadership contest the Conservative Party has seen. Don't be fooled by the lead the Prime Minister has. She must beat Heseltine by exactly 15% or more to win on the first round. And by God, she has. Only 3 MP's abstained, as Heseltine swayed several of those who had planned to, the Prime Minister was able to hold the High Tory, and her own wing of the party together while one of her biggest allies in Parliament, Douglas Hurd handed a small portion of One Nation Conservatives to the Prime Minister handing her, essentially, a one vote victory. With that said, there is an air of uncertainty in the Conservative Party right now. Heseltine controls an extremely powerful faction and the national mood of the nation is quite disapproving of the current Government. All eyes are on Heseltine. In private Education and Science Minister Kenneth Clarke urges Thatcher to resign, simply saying that this narrow vote will not translate into electoral success. John Major has a more nuanced suggestion to the Prime Minister, stating that it may be best to resign, but he will back her if she chooses to remain as the Prime Minister. All eyes on @The Blood and @Dobs. General Headlines Margaret Thatcher holds on to Conservative Leadership in the closest Leadership result the party has ever seen. SDLP campaign office attacked in Belfast. UVF claims responsibility. A major brawl ensues overnight between the UVF and IRA as the SDLP Motion of a Referendum makes its way into Parliament. Next Turn: November-January of 1991. Temporary Rules for this short legislative period of 1991 (3 turns): 1. Prime Minister may perform 2 Executive actions. Ranging from proposing a bill, or anything else involving the duties of a PM. ---------- @Hestia @WVProgressive @Kitten I've got to head out for a bit but I will have all polls to you by the afternoon! @Fbarbarossa @Cal @WVProgressive @ConservativeElector2 @Dobs @Edouard @Hestia @Cenzonico @Sean F Kennedy @The Blood Edited April 22, 2021 by Pringles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean F Kennedy Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 Green builds ground game in most anti-Thatcher areas The Greens go to the most left wing areas of the country and blasts the Conservatives for putting up Thatcher again. They begin to field for everyday community leaders to run for the Green Party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hestia Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 25 minutes ago, Pringles said: Scotland Act of 1990 (10!): The SNP proposed bill is a hit back home and Scottish citizens are in awe! For many this is finally a dream come true, a step forward in the devolution and self-governance of Scotland. Many MPs in the rest of the country and even the two main political parties are now recognizing the potential momentum that the SNP has among Scottish citizens. While the bill will certainly have opposition in the Conservative Parliament, it will certainly lay the groundwork for the SNP's hopeful success. VAT Reduction Bill (2): Proposed by the Labour Party; The bill is lukewarmly received among the base and while it had potential to branch out to other parties in Parliament, many see it as a clear political ploy by Labour against the current Government. Some on the Left see it as too little, and want a large VAT reduction, more nationalization of industries, and other left wing policies that will benefit the working class. Gender Equality Bill (10!): Proposed by the Liberal Democrats; The bill is extremely popular and many female MP's immediately sign on board. Women around the country watch as Paddy Ashdown's charisma carries the day in Parliament. Political commentators see it as a huge foundation for the Liberal Democrats potential success in the upcoming 92' election. The bill is likely to face opposition from the Conservatives as many High Tories and Thatcherites see it as way too left wing due to the measures included to eliminate the wage gap. Irish Reunification Referendum Bill (2): While the bill might please some Northern Irish, disaster ensues as the Ulster Volunteer Force and Irish Republican Army begin clashing in the streets once more. In fact, the UVF is so angered by the proposal a mortar attack ensues on a SDLP campaign office. Some are hurt, but no one dead thankfully. This is likely to be met with fierce opposition as the mood of the country is longing for some law and order, and less bombings. Scotland Act of 1990: The SNP will champion the bill and vote AYE, giving speeches between their MPs about protecting Scotland's interests. VAT Reduction Bill: The SNP will allow their MPs a free vote on the issue, not wanting to sandbag themselves to a toxic Labour bill even if in principle they may be for it. Gender Equality Bill: The SNP will vote AYE for the bill. They hope to swing Scottish women over to the SNP for the future. Irish Reunification Bill: The SNP will vote NAY on the bill. While they are sympathetic to the Northern Irish struggles, they see the renewal of violence as unacceptable in Northern Ireland. Party Event: Off the good week of building infrastructure, SNP MPs will take their case to the Scottish people and present the SNP as defenders of devolution against a Tory government that has it out for Scotland and a Labour that couldn't care less about Scottish interests. Poll: Scottish Party Preference in General Election -------------------------- 31 minutes ago, Pringles said: Scotland Act of 1990 (10!): The SNP proposed bill is a hit back home and Scottish citizens are in awe! For many this is finally a dream come true, a step forward in the devolution and self-governance of Scotland. Many MPs in the rest of the country and even the two main political parties are now recognizing the potential momentum that the SNP has among Scottish citizens. While the bill will certainly have opposition in the Conservative Parliament, it will certainly lay the groundwork for the SNP's hopeful success. VAT Reduction Bill (2): Proposed by the Labour Party; The bill is lukewarmly received among the base and while it had potential to branch out to other parties in Parliament, many see it as a clear political ploy by Labour against the current Government. Some on the Left see it as too little, and want a large VAT reduction, more nationalization of industries, and other left wing policies that will benefit the working class. Gender Equality Bill (10!): Proposed by the Liberal Democrats; The bill is extremely popular and many female MP's immediately sign on board. Women around the country watch as Paddy Ashdown's charisma carries the day in Parliament. Political commentators see it as a huge foundation for the Liberal Democrats potential success in the upcoming 92' election. The bill is likely to face opposition from the Conservatives as many High Tories and Thatcherites see it as way too left wing due to the measures included to eliminate the wage gap. Irish Reunification Referendum Bill (2): While the bill might please some Northern Irish, disaster ensues as the Ulster Volunteer Force and Irish Republican Army begin clashing in the streets once more. In fact, the UVF is so angered by the proposal a mortar attack ensues on a SDLP campaign office. Some are hurt, but no one dead thankfully. This is likely to be met with fierce opposition as the mood of the country is longing for some law and order, and less bombings. Scotland Act of 1990: Plaid will vote in favor of the measure, as they are rather close to the SNP over the years and aid them when possible. VAT Reduction Bill: Plaid will vote NAY on the bill due to its poisoned reaction in Wales. Gender Equality Bill: Plaid will vote AYE with the majority of the opposition. Irish Reunification Bill: Plaid will allow a free vote on the bill, as they understand nationalist leanings in the party. Party Proposal: Wales Devolution Referendum Act - will allow a vote in Wales on a referendum for devolution, rather than going straight for devolution in Parliament like the SNP. They understand Welsh opinion is more closely divided than in Scotland or Northern Ireland. Party Politics: Plaid Cymru will take to attacking Welsh Labour, their main opponents in Wales, tying them to the VAT Reduction Bill that faces scorn in Parliament. They have protests outside Welsh Labour constituency offices to have their voices heard on devolution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitten Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Pringles said: Scotland Act of 1990 The SDLP supports this bill and votes aye. 1 hour ago, Pringles said: VAT Reduction Bill The SDLP supports this bill and votes aye. 1 hour ago, Pringles said: Gender Equality Bill The SDLP supports the bill and votes aye. 1 hour ago, Pringles said: Irish Reunification Referendum Bill The SDLP will hold speeches in favor of this bill. The SDLP is willing to add an amendment in order get more appeal from other parties. The amendment is specifically intended to allow the government of the United Kingdom to hold the referendum when the violence in Northern Ireland has ceased. Party event: John Hume will begin to campaign throughout Northern Ireland where he holds talks on Irish reunification when appropriate or when the people are ready for it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitten Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Pringles said: SDLP campaign office attacked in Belfast. UVF claims responsibility. The SDLP denounced the violence and calls for peace and for a solution that will be beneficial for all people of Northern Ireland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cenzonico Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 The City of Westminster Through the streets we march. Like an army going into war. For the cause of our great race. With our banners to the fore. For the advancement of the British nation! March into battle, into battle, into battle BNP! Into battle BNP! Into battle BNP! Yeah previous street marches didn't end well, but John Tyndall refused to budge. The BNP won't just stand down and let the cause of the White race go six feet under. We have a war to fight, less we let the white genocide and the destruction of Britain continue. Speaking of the destruction of Britain, the BNP is here to protest bills put forward by the SNP and SDLP. Fake nationalists who are only cozying up to the Jews, what a disgrace! The BNP does another street rally as it's done through out the 80s, and although they give the party attention... They usually don't end well. But what do those "anti-fascists" think they know? The charisma of John empowers all! But even then, discontent with his leadership continues to rise within the party's inner circle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edouard Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 (edited) Liberal Democrat press conference Journalist : Are you satisfied with the traction that the Gender Equality Bill is taking in Commons? Paddy Ashdown : it's good but not enough, we need to get this bill passed ! If the Premier is really in solidarity with women, she will take a moment in her conservative civil-war to back the bill. If she refuses to do that, you will see what is the leading party for women's rights. Libdem MPs meeting Paddy Ashdown : Gentlemen, I need you ready for the session in the commons of tonight, it's gonna be special. House of Commons session Paddy Ashdown (LD-Yeovil) : While Conservatives are in internal wars and that Labour suspects its social-democratic leader to be a dangerous moderate, we, the Libdems, are ready to govern our country. Our group has spoken in the sence of what are the direct interest for millions of middle-class families as well as for the freedom of the entire people of britain. What the british people wants? More freedom for more people. Let me adress any bill submitted to this parliament. For the Scotland Act, it is a SHAME that our country which is the one of the Magna Carta that our Premier so much like to quote, has not yet granted devolution to Scotland ! We fully support devolution to Scotland and Wales ! If Conservatives and Labour truly advocate for freedom, I have no doubt in my mind that they will join us. For what concerns the VAT Reduction Bill the question is very interesting, the Labour party does not submit a VAT reduction out of interest, it's a typical left-wing economic policy, however reducing the VAT is also reducing taxs of the richest at the top ! We will not oppose the bill at the sole condition that the Labour party does the comitment to joins us and reduce taxs on entrepreneurs, entreprises and societies which have up to 500 employes and to promote a cut into defense spending in exchange of reducing taxs on the middle class. A reduction of 1 to 3% of their taxs would fight the current unemployment crisis and really put money back into the pockets of working families. If Labour really wants to fight poverty and unemployment for the most concerned ones we are sure that they will joins us. We will of course promotes our Gender Equality Bill, and we will see what are the positions of the Labour and Conservatives on the issue, we want to thank the SNP the SDLP and Plaid Cymru for their support to this bill which aim to make britain a real modern country for gender equality. We will oppose the Irish Reunification Bill because we don't see this bill as supported by many Irish in anyways, however, we invite Irish parties to follow the example of the Scottish National Party and submit more requests for devolution. Post Common Conference Party Event: The Liberal Democrats are ready to not oppose the Labour bill only if they agree to support any motion, introduced by the Libdems or not, which aim to reduce taxs on the Middle Class and enterprises. We are eager to see what their vote will be in key legislations recently introduced, and we also hope to be a real option between two major parties that have not been clear enough in their intentions and policies so far. Journalist : Do you think that you could win in the next general election? Paddy Ashdown in a smirk : We have not always been the third party, voters are the only to decide and our goal is to serve them like the government should be. Poll: Evolution of Liberal democrats in General Election and potential number of seats Edited April 22, 2021 by Edouard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fbarbarossa Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 Scotland Act: Nay, Nye Bevan put it best, devolution is just and attempt to divide us and cause differences VAT Reduction Bill: Aye Gender Equality Bill: Aye Irish Reunification Bill: Aye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVProgressive Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 The Labour Party proposes that the NHS nationalize Mental Care, and provide it free at the point of service, like they do with other health services. Neil Kinnock gives a speech in Liverpool attacking the Tories for their continued support of Thatcher. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobs Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 (edited) The New British Century (Britain's Not for Turning) Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher returned from Paris victorious, she had bought herself at least two more years in Downing Street. But the work was not done yet, Britain was not finished yet. Reform remained necessary, their work remained necessary. The Conservatives had to win in 1992 for the good of Britain. And their leader knew just the way. (Party Event: Prime Ministerial Address) "Ladies and Gentlemen, proud Brittons. I come to you today with a message of thanks. As many of you know, I have been re-elected as leader of the Conservative Party and therefore as your Prime Minister. I want to first thank all those who called their Members and expressed your support for me, for this government, and for our nation. You will never know how deep my gratitude for you runs. But now is no time at all for resting on laurels. Britain has come a long way. But we still have a long way to go. We've come so far, but there is distance yet to travel. I come to you tonight to pledge to travel it with you!" "There is no doubt in my mind that Britain is better off now than she was when we came to Downing Street 11 and a half years ago. Her people are freer, safer, prouder. Our economy has seen unimaginable heights. Our people have experienved unparalleled prosperity. But there is work yet to be done. Earlier this week it was declared that for the first time since I first took office, we have entered a recession. I wish to speak now to the people of Great Britain, directly. This storm shall pass and I shall do everything in my ability to weather it. This Captain is not going down with her ship because she will not allow the ship to sink. As such, this government has developed a two-pronged approach to end this recession. First, we will embark on aggressive anti-inflationary policies and then implement new anti-unemployment measures. Given the economic downturn sweeping the Western World, it is clear what Britain needs to do. We cannot afford to tie the Sterling to a European market in crises. That is why we are putting forward a motion to leave the European Rate Mechanism immediately and bring the Pound Sterling back into British hands. Futhermore, the Bank of England will be taking firm deflationary policies and cutting interest rates. However, we cannot just rely on the whipping of inflation to get the job done. In order to win this fight, we must look not just for its root cause, inflation, but also the tools it uses to harm our people. This government will begin to fast-track the privatization of industries like Coal starting next year in order to increase jobs and supplement lagging domestic output. This ministry is passionately committed to ending this recession, securing for Britain an independent currency, and ensuring a return to the prosperity that a strong British market has always provided her people." "As we look inward toward solving domestic battles, we must also look outwards where we are fighting and, indeed, winning foreign ones. I have just returned from an incredibly successful summit in Paris. Across the Communist world, there is movement. First it was Poland, then Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Bulgaria, and now Albania appears poised to be the next domino to fall. And now, the integrity of the very Soviet Union itself is rapidly disintegrating. Do not be mistaken, this is a world victory to be sure. It's a victory for the Western World and for freedom. But it is also a British victory. Through standing arm in arm with our friends in the United States and in Western Europe, we stand on the verge of defeating the greatest Evil Empire to so threaten world domination and destructions as the Soviets once did. If only Comrade Brezhnev could see the state of his beloved Socialist Empire. He once pledged that World Socialism was inevitable, that my children and grandchildren would grow up under Communism. I can safely say that if we in the Free World continue to do our part and keep up the pressure, it is Mr. Brezhnev's children and grandchildren who will grow up in freedom." "Still then, as we transition into this brave new world and indeed this new century, threats remain. Communist dictatorships ail as authoritarian strongmen in the Middle East grow in strength. This government, earlier this year, committed to support the United States in what is now being called Operation Desert Shield. Dictators like Iraqi President Saddam Hussein can never be allowed to grow unchecked. You will recall the war of 1939. You will recall that that war did not begin due to an arm's race. It began when one tyrannical power thought it could impress its agenda upon lesser powers for an acceptible price. It is now up to the Free World, to Britain, to demonstrate to Saddam that the price he will have to pay for threatening us is ultimate. I have told President Bush personally, the United Kingdom does not negotiate with dictators and neither should the United States. Great Britain does not get wobbly when our people are threatened. Many of you will recall that this government has made a policy out of refusing to negotiate with authoritarian dictators. This is a policy I intend to keep with Mr. Hussein." "It is also a policy I intend to re-extend to those who threaten the rule of law here at home. Just as we do not negotiate with dictators, we do not negotiate with terrorists. All to often we hear of "political violence and political murder." Thinking on the horrific bombing experienced just last night, I recall my own experience being in the crosshairs of the IRA. As President Reagan would say, they missed me. Others, like Lord Mountbatten, have not been so lucky. There is no such thing as political violence or political murder, there is only criminal violence and criminal murder. Time and time again this government has renewed our committment to law and order. I stand here to do it once again in the wake of this latest atrocious bombing. As violence captivates the streets of North Ireland, we must remember that these are extremist terrorists and they do not represent the good people of Northern Ireland. They have launched attacks on some of our most sacred institutions. They have sought to destroy our very democracy itself. We will not let them." "We are Brittons. We do not bow to economic adversity, we do not bow to Communists, we do not bow to dictators, we do not bow to terrorists. We bow before God alone. We embrace freedom, free markets, and free elections. We embrace law and order both at home and abroad. Be they terrorist dictators or terrorist agitators, Britain will tolerate none of them. As we stand now on the precipice of a new world and soon a new century, let this be a rallying cry. Let this government and our people forge together a New British Century. There are those who say the heyday of Britain has been left behind long ago in the Victorian Age. To them I have just one thing to say: You don't know Britain! I have been quoted once before as affirming my comittment to staying the course. I find it particularly apt here. To all those faint-hearts, those who don't believe Britain has it in her to make of this next century everything our nation deserves: you turn if you want to. But for all those with a fire in their bellies and a passion for freedom and justice, together, as one people, I will proudly declare on all our behalves: Britain's not for turning!" "Thank you and May God Bless you all!" Soon thereafter, Prime Minister Thatcher would retire to Downing Street and stay thinking late into the night on matters of economic, foreign, and social policy. She considered how increased British involvement in Operation Desert Shield could be a way out of the recession when coupled with her new economic programme. More importantly though, she waited with bated breath for public response to her rallying cry. She knew that this wasn't the end for Britain, it hadn't been the end for her. The next day, her government would proposal legislation to leave the European Rate Mechanism and slash interest rates, the first step at ending the crisis through putting a halt to inflation. The Deflation Act of 1990 would be sponsored by Chancellor John Major and would soon be followed with the aggressive pro-growth policies which Thatcher laid out. First though, tackling inflation. And even before that, the Prime Minister needed to get to bed. It was a long road to 1992 and Denis hates when she stays up this late. Edited April 23, 2021 by Dobs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobs Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 12 hours ago, Pringles said: Scotland Act of 1990 (10!): The SNP proposed bill is a hit back home and Scottish citizens are in awe! For many this is finally a dream come true, a step forward in the devolution and self-governance of Scotland. Many MPs in the rest of the country and even the two main political parties are now recognizing the potential momentum that the SNP has among Scottish citizens. While the bill will certainly have opposition in the Conservative Parliament, it will certainly lay the groundwork for the SNP's hopeful success. VAT Reduction Bill (2): Proposed by the Labour Party; The bill is lukewarmly received among the base and while it had potential to branch out to other parties in Parliament, many see it as a clear political ploy by Labour against the current Government. Some on the Left see it as too little, and want a large VAT reduction, more nationalization of industries, and other left wing policies that will benefit the working class. Gender Equality Bill (10!) Irish Reunification Referendum Bill (2) Scotland Act: The Tories will oppose the Scotland Act as one might expect. George Younger, MP for Ayr, will call the bill a "cold attempt to Disunite the United Kingdom" and Secretary of State for Scotland Malcom Rifkind makes clear that the government "totally opposes all attempts to break down the special bond between the members of our United Kingdom, the residents of Great Britain". VAT Reduction Bill: If Labour is finally on board with cutting taxes, Chancellor John Major will rib them with a "Where has the honorable gentleman been the past 12 years!". The Tories are glad Labour is finally serious about economic growth and that they are so interested in ending the recession that they've taken up some Conservative policies to do it. Gender Equality Bill: The Prime Minister will bellow with laughter when the Liberal Democrats begin to grandstand on gender issues. The Tory line is that the legislation is entirely unnecessary. The Equal Pay Act of 1970 accomplishes exactly what this legislation purports to "change". It's nothing more than Paddy Ashdown trying to score some political points for the next election. As for what the Tories have done for women? "The right honorable gentleman should call me when he is ready to resign in favor of one of his bright young female members. Then again, he probably still won't be able to put his leader in Number 10 anyway!" Irish Reunification Referendum: Secretary of State for Northern Ireland will decry the latest patch of violence attributed to this legislation. Northern Ireland is British. Full stop. And we will not bend to any terrorists regarding our complete regard for Northern Ireland as just as British as London. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Blood Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 Reaction To Leadership Election: Heseltine will hold an official address following his defeat by Thatcher, declaring, "We lost. It may be a disappointment to many of my supporters, but that is the truth. I ran my campaign in the hopes that my victory would strengthen our party and improve our chances when voters next hit the polls. And with my defeat, I intend to do the exact same things. Strengthening our party by calling for unity following this result, as I would like to say now that Thatcher's resignation is something I neither demand or want, and improving our future electoral chances by pledging to fight with my fellow Tories in Parliament in the name of the people of this great land. This is not the result we wanted, but it is not a result that should halt our goal of improving the average Briton's life and strengthening this great nation. Thank you, and good night." Parliamentary Motions: Scotland Act: Nay VAT Reduction: Yea Gender Equality: Nay Irish Reunification Referendum: Nay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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