vcczar Posted October 11, 2021 Author Share Posted October 11, 2021 James M Cox Cox dynasty, includes daughter Liberal 1 Command, 1 Legislative, 2 Governing Media as initial expertise Nationalist, LW Activist, Reformist Likeable, Uncharismatic, Hale Notes: Not the most exciting candidate but would serve well as president during times of tranquility. Better for governor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted October 11, 2021 Author Share Posted October 11, 2021 John W Davis Davis, includes his father Conservative 1 Command, 1 Legislative, 1 Administrative Foreign Affairs expertise Expansionist Egghead, Integrity, Uncharismatic, Cosmopolitan, Geostrategist, Passive, Domestic Apathy Notes: Better for cabinet or congress. Not a very inspiring candidate. Would serve best in a military crisis but would struggle in any period with a demand of domestic reform. Historically, Davis was the last conservative Democrat nominee. The 1924 election pitted him against the equally conservative Coolidge in what is often called the High Watermark of American Conservatism. The La Follette 3rd party bid was a reaction to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted October 11, 2021 Author Share Posted October 11, 2021 Al Smith Liberal (became moderate or even conservative when FDR was president) 1 command, 1 legislative, 2 governing Justice as initial expertise Disharmonious, Likable, Pliable, Naive Strategist, Delegator Catholic Notes: Best as a governor. As president, would not do well in a time of war. Liable to being influence and needs to have a strong cabinet as he likes to delegate. Can be disruptive. Historically, Al Smith was long-seen as the first likely Catholic nominee. He was a strong candidate in 1920 and 1924. Had he been protestant, he may have won the nomination in one of these earlier elections. He had the bad luck of facing Hoover, who was guaranteed to win in a landslide, which might have been why Democrats were willing to try running a Catholic to gain stronger support from them in the future. He expected to be the nominee in 1932 when Democrats were expected to win; however, his loyal supporter, FDR, jumped in the race without Al Smith's approval. Smith never forgave FDR and voted Republican for the rest of his life, even though he stayed as a Democrat. Some consider Al Smith as a Tammany Hall crony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 Alf Landon Landon dynasty, which includes his daughter Moderate 1 Command, 1 Governing, 1 Admin Business as initial expertise Egghead, Integrity, Uncharismatic, Hale, Harmonious, Crisis Gov Notes: Great potential as governor, especially during a crisis. Would serve well as president in a peaceful time, if he can get elected. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 Wendell Wilkie Moderate 2 command Business as expertise Civil Rights Frail, Likable, Cosmopolitan Can be Independent, Can Party Flip Notes: Unless he gets lucky and gains abilities via events or etc., he's only good for throwing his hat into the presidential race. Surprisingly electable, especially if he can face a mediocre opponent. Not especially adept to handle a crisis, but can also avoid creating them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 Thomas E Dewey Mod 2 Command, 2 Governing Justice as initial expertise Debater, Efficient, Kingmaker, Leadership, Pliable, Uncharismatic, Cosmopolitan, Cop Notes: Better governor than president, mainly because he may have a difficult time getting elected. Susceptible to some influence, but can also do well in a justice-related crisis. Would make a decent party leader. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 Adlai E Stevenson II Stevenson Dynasty, include his father, grandfather and a son Moderate 2 Command, 1 Legislative, 1 Governing, 2 Administrative Naval as initial expertise Debater, Efficient, Egghead, Orator, Uncharismatic, Cosmopolitan, Bookkeeper, Geostrategist, Harmonious, Delegator, Notes: Would make a great cabinet officer and potentially a good-to-great president. Well equipped for the job but getting elected might be difficult. Needs to be well-served as he's likely to delegate frequently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 Barry Goldwater Goldwater dynasty, includes a son and an Uncle and another relative. Traditionalist 1 Command, 2 Legislative, 2 Military Military as initial expertise Expansionist, Reformist, RW Activist Integrity, Leadership, Hale, Naive Strategist, Predictable, Domestic Apathy, Unlikable Notes: Best to keep in Congress or the military. Great for faction leader of the Traditionalist faction. Just as in real life, will have a hard time in a presidential election. We strongly disliked by the GOP Establishment and by Independents. However, had a strong following among people of his same ideology. Very consistent, which also makes him predictable. Would have an awful time if Congress opposes him. His overly-aggressive foreign policy rhetoric and his disinterest in Domestic Reform would likely make him a poor president in the event of a crisis in either area. In a time of relative tranquility, and if Congress is filled with fellow Traditionalists, he could be effective. Barring that, he'd struggle to be an average president. His best bet would be to run for president in his 70s or 80s. He has "hale," which means he has a chance at staying in the game until age 100. His ideology becomes more preferable starting about 1972, and much more so by 2000. If he runs for president at age 91, he would be more electable than he would be in 1964 when he was 55. Just not the type of politician for a national office, considering his ideals and whims which were mostly confined to his home state and one region. Would make a great VP though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 Hubert Humphrey Humphrey, includes his son and grandson Liberal 1 command, 2 legislative, 1 governing Healthcare as initial expertise Civil Rights, LW Activist, Reformist Egghead, Pliable, Domestic Warrior, Cop Notes: Best to keep him in Congress. Kind of a middling candidate for president, electorally speaking. Likely to be influenced, but is the right person for domestic reform, considering he was one of the top 3 leading domestic reformists in the US Senate during the 1950s and early 1960s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 George McGovern Liberal 1 command, 1 legislative, 1 military, 1 administrative Military as initial expertise Reformist Integrity, Pliable, Uncharismatic, Hale, Numberfudger, Naive Strategist, Domestic Warrior Notes: Keep him in the US Senate. Would have a hard time winning a presidential election unless the opponent is very weak. Even if elected, subject to being influenced and potentially be a disaster in an economic or military crisis. He would be great for domestic reform. His heart is in the right place, but his scope of ability, and possibly interest, is too narrow for the presidency. Sort of a liberal Barry Goldwater in this regard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 Walter Mondale Mondale dynasty, includes his son Liberal 1 Command, 1 Legislative, 1 Administrative Military as initial expertise Integrity, Uncharismatic, Hale Notes: Not an inspiring candidate for president. Best in Congress or as VP. No weaknesses as president once in office, but also no strengths to help with a crisis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 Michael Dukakis Moderate 1 Command, 1 Legislative, 2 Governing Military as initial expertise Uncharismatic, Hale, Bookkeeper, Predictable Notes: Best as governor. Won't have the easiest time getting elected, but once he does, he will likely perform well during an economic crisis. One draw back is that his "predictable" nature is going to make him easier prey if both houses of Congress oppose him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 Bob Dole Dole Dynasty, includes his wife 1 Command, 2 Legislative, 1 Military Military as initial expertise Uncharismatic, Hale Notes: Better as a US Senator. Will have a hard time getting elected. Won't kill the country as president but also won't save it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 Al Gore Gore dynasty, includes his father Moderate 1 Command, 2 legislative, 1 admin Science as initial expertise Egghead, Pliable, Uncharismatic Notes: Not the most electable person for the presidency. Best suited for US Senate or a cabinet position. A rather safe pick for a time of relative tranquility. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 John Kerry Liberal 1 Command, 2 Legislative, 1 governing, 1 military, 1 admin Naval as initial expertise Uncharismatic Notes: Has great range, which can also help in minor ways as president, but lacks any significant strength to help in a crisis. Hard to get elected unless the opponent is weak. Fortunately, no huge flaws as an executive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 John McCain McCain dynasty, which includes his father, grandfather, and daughter Moderate 2 command, 2 legislative, 1 military Naval as initial expertise Expansionist Integrity, Geostrategist, Late Bloomer Notes: Surprisingly a good pick for president, especially during a time of military crisis. Won't help much domestically, but at least lacks paralyzing flaws. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 Mitt Romney Romney dynasty, which includes his father, mom, and his niece Moderate 1 command, 1 legislative, 1 governing, 1 admin Business as initial expertise Pliable, Cosmopolitan Notes: Good for election if facing an average opponent or weaker. Liable to be influence but has no other weaknesses. No real strengths either. A safe pick. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 Hillary Clinton Clinton dynasty, includes her husband Moderate (Liberal as candidate and nominee) 2 command, 1 gov, 1 legislative, 1 admin [I've just given her 1 in gov because Bill Clinton strongly considered a plot to have Hillary Clinton follow him as governor of Arkansas] Justice as initial expertise Civil Rights Egghead, Kingmaker, Unlikable, Uncharismatic, Cosmopolitan, Cop, Late Bloomer, Delegator Notes: Very, very risky. Has a lot of range. Would likely do well in a justice-related crisis, but has a mountain to climb to get elected. Will need to be well-served as she will delegate. Might be best as a kingmaker or admin. *This concludes the failed major party nominees. I'll do another thread of non-nominees and non-presidents at a later point. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 5 hours ago, vcczar said: Hillary Clinton Clinton dynasty, includes her husband Moderate (Liberal as candidate and nominee) 2 command, 1 gov, 1 legislative, 1 admin [I've just given her 1 in gov because Bill Clinton strongly considered a plot to have Hillary Clinton follow him as governor of Arkansas] Justice as initial expertise Civil Rights Egghead, Kingmaker, Unlikable, Uncharismatic, Cosmopolitan, Cop, Late Bloomer, Delegator Notes: Very, very risky. Has a lot of range. Would likely do well in a justice-related crisis, but has a mountain to climb to get elected. Will need to be well-served as she will delegate. Might be best as a kingmaker or admin. *This concludes the failed major party nominees. I'll do another thread of non-nominees and non-presidents at a later point. Not controversial? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted October 13, 2021 Author Share Posted October 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, MrPotatoTed said: Not controversial? I considered it but I’m not sure what she’s done that makes it as firm as some others. She had one bad comment. She hasn’t been investigated for a controversy. She doesn’t create it. She seems more unliked than controversial but I’m open to including it with strong evidence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConservativeElector2 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 On 10/12/2021 at 8:51 PM, vcczar said: Walter Mondale Integrity, Uncharismatic, Hale How about likeable for Walter? Even as a conservative I find him to be likeable. I also find it interesting that every failed nominee from McGovern to Kerry has uncharismatic as a trait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted October 13, 2021 Author Share Posted October 13, 2021 56 minutes ago, ConservativeElector2 said: How about likeable for Walter? Even as a conservative I find him to be likeable. I also find it interesting that every failed nominee from McGovern to Kerry has uncharismatic as a trait. Yeah, their blandness was a huge reason they didn't win. Will think about it for Mondale. Hard to see someone that wins only one state as being uniquely "likable" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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