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Will "Build Back Better" Help Biden's approval?

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Will "Build Back Better" Help Biden's approval?  

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  1. 1. Will "Build Back Better" Help Biden's approval?

    • Yes, passing this major piece of legislation--even in a slim downed form--will be viewed as success and will see his approval rise.
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    • Yes, but it would not have helped had Progressives got what they wanted in the bill. It will only help his approval because it's moderate.
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    • No, because Biden had to compromise so much to get it passed, and he will likely alienate progressives.
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    • No, passing Build Back Better in any form would not help his approval--and could make it worse--because about everything about the bill is distasteful to most voters.
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  2. 2. If you were in the US Senate would you vote for the original Build Back Better plan, which was much more progressive but also more costly?

  3. 3. If you were in the US Senate would you vote for the current, much slimmed down version, which cut almost all of the goals of the Sanders-Warren wing by compromising with Manchin and Sinema.

  4. 4. If you were in the US Senate would you vote for an even slimmer version that would be acceptable by the 10 or so least stubborn Republicans? This would cut all progressive initiatives and reduce spending across the board, except on immigration.

  5. 5. How optimistic are you of the Democrats in Midterms?

    • Lean optimistic
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    • Lean not optimistic
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  6. 6. How optimistic are you of Biden defeating Trump in 2024?

    • Lean optimistic
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    • Lean not optimistic
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vcczar

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I definitely favored the Progressive version of the bill, which I thought was short because it didn't reform student debt.

I see the current version as somewhat helpful, but really more politically useful than helpful. It isn't addressing crises in a way that's going to really solve some of them. It will be considered "historic" for about a few months, but then people will forget about it. It's more of a message than an FDR-LBJ-style doer of a bill. I find the current bill a massive disappointment, but maybe it can be built on later.

A hypothetical GOP-friendly version would be the most pointless, but I'd vote for it just to get Biden some momentum for the first time since winning. No point in letting Biden nosedive if it means a return to Trump. 

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MrPotatoTed

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Other than the Post 9/11 GI Bill, which completely changed my life for the better, and I guess the Patriot Act and The Affordable Care Act (Obamacare)...I think most bills don't have enough impact on most people's lives that they even notice it at all.  I've listened to probably 20 podcasts from various sources all talking about this bill and I still don't really have a solid understanding of what's actually in it -- it's just "who is winning this battle?"  "is it too moderate/too progressive/too expensive/not enough?"  But no actual substance as to what it would mean for most people.

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What will actually matter is what happens for people affected by this bill. How much does the bipartisan infrastructure plan help with actual infrastructure? Keep in mind, most people just want to see their roads improved, their bridges made safer, their water cleaner. Does it solve those problems? If it's a no, then it doesn't help them politically. Does the reconciliation bill help people? That's why including paid family leave is actually really important in the bill - it's something that will actually make a difference for a lot of people and is broadly popular (82% per Pew support some form of paid maternity leave). Taking that out is a huge mistake. 

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For question 1 I only selected the last option (even if it didn't fit my take perfectly.) Because I think the more this bill goes on, the more Manchin and Sinema resist the more liberal end of the bill, and the more in general shitshow this becomes, the worse and lesser effect it is going to have. I've always supported the bipartisan infrastructure bill, but as time goes on, this stuff is getting worse, and worse. 

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DakotaHale

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Interestingly there are 3 noticeable downtrends in the use of the word "optimistic" in history.

1. After the great depression

2. After the election of Reagan

3. After the election of Obama

Also I was messing with other words and it appears the word "libtard" was invented in 2004.

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DakotaHale

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1 minute ago, Patine said:

Yes, I know what the word means. And, this would definitely not be me if the Rematch of the Dotards happened.

Looks like we both learned something new. I had no idea "Dotard" was a real word referring to old people. I always thought you meant it as an insult to Trump supporters (the word being a short version of Donald+Tard, similar to 'MAGAtard' and 'TrumpTard').

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Ok just a few more cool charts because I don't want to get off topic but I found some interesting things. The closest the word "conservative" has ever come to dethroning "liberal" was during the presidency of Reagan. However, the graph becomes VERY interesting after I add some other ideologies to it. (Other ideologies like centrist, MAGA, traditionalist, etc. were tested on the 2nd image but had little usage and just cluttered the graph. Evangelical was interestingly slightly higher than fascist but I don't know if I'd consider it an ideology.)

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7 hours ago, DakotaHale said:

Looks like we both learned something new. I had no idea "Dotard" was a real word referring to old people. I always thought you meant it as an insult to Trump supporters (the word being a short version of Donald+Tard, similar to 'MAGAtard' and 'TrumpTard').

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Well Kim Jong-un called Trump a "mentally deranged dotard.'

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