For Presidential Elections...

[Timur]

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Edited November 4, 2021 by Timur

[Rezi]

Electoral College with the Congressional Districts method is easily the worst method for presidential elections IMO. It allows the electoral college to be gerrymandered in favor of one party, making it far worse than it already is in terms of bias.

[Pringles]

Just now, Rezi said:

Electoral College with the Congressional Districts method is easily the worst method for presidential elections IMO. It allows the electoral college to be gerrymandered in favor of one party, making it far worse than it already is in terms of bias.

Agreed. Which leads me to the comment I was going to make. I only support that IF gerrymandering is abolished, and placed in the hands of an independent commission.

Otherwise, based. 

[Dobs]

My most preferred mechanism is to preserve the WTA Electoral College but institute RCV.

[Timur]

5 hours ago, Patine said:

Of course, at the end of the day, a WTA Electoral College, even with RCV, is still likely to preserve the lack of true choice in candidates, and lead to a Duopoly being maintained, because that's what the WTA Electoral College has greatly aided and been a big factor in the existence of, all this time. WTA Electoral College is the ally of crummy and robbed elections and the enemy of real voter choice, and this has been proven to bear out for a very long time. RCV cannot be of very much mitigating factor in the face of a retained WTA Electoral College.

BTW, what system do you think Canada should have?

[Dobs]

6 hours ago, Patine said:

Of course, at the end of the day, a WTA Electoral College, even with RCV, is still likely to preserve the lack of true choice in candidates, and lead to a Duopoly being maintained, because that's what the WTA Electoral College has greatly aided and been a big factor in the existence of, all this time. WTA Electoral College is the ally of crummy and robbed elections and the enemy of real voter choice, and this has been proven to bear out for a very long time. RCV cannot be of very much mitigating factor in the face of a retained WTA Electoral College.

Yeah that’s not really correct at all. WTA systems do not create the duopoly. First Past the Post voting does. It’s far more important to move away from that and to RCV than it is to get rid of the EC. Instituting RCV is the single biggest thing that can be done to break the duopoly. If what you want is true voter choice, what you want is RCV and the electoral college is pretty much irrelevant.

[Dobs]

34 minutes ago, Patine said:

Well, yes, but there is also the part of the outgoing House of Representatives deciding the winner if no one candidate gets an absolute majority of EV's. That makes it prohibitive for a new party to claim victory in a post-Duopoly era without debutng with an outright commanding majority.

Well yes, but that’s a feature of the EC, not a necessity itself. And besides, implementing RCV will make the House more pluralistic anyway and remedy this concern.

[Timur]

6 hours ago, Patine said:

Getting rid of FPTP is one of the highest priorities. Then getting rid of the useless lump of the Senate, given it's final neutering under Mulroney. Mandated equal political status between Provinces so individual Provinces can't, "hold the nation hostage," (something Alberta, my home Province, has been just as guilty of as Quebec infamously has). Removing the easily abused, "notwithstanding," clause to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Clarifying and codifying the nebulous and shifting role of the Assembly of First Nations in Indigenous legislation and affairs. Firmly delineating the division of Federal and Provincial powers as is Constitutionally stated (which is a notably different division in significant areas than the Federal and State powers in the U.S.), Permanently repeal the Anti-Terrorism Act, 2015 (the (Un)Patriot Act copycat legislation), and forever outlaw it, acts like it, or the War Measures Act and acts like it - although I seem to have trailed into nitty-gritty and not just, "system of government," here..

Do you want MMP or PR or something else for your country? (Canada is obviously, a different world from the US).

[Timur]

14 minutes ago, Patine said:

MMP, but with the PR calculated separately by Province like Germany with it's Lander (a system I personally think would also improve the U.S. if PR was calculated separately by State).

I actually like the idea of a PR with multi-member districts in the US.