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2024 Election Poll (11/19/21)


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2024 Election Poll (11/19/21)  

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  1. 1. Which of the following potential 2024 candidates do you view favorably?

    • Joe Biden
    • Donald Trump
    • Kamala Harris
    • Ron DeSantis
    • Mike Pence
    • Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
    • Nikki Haley
    • Pete Buttigieg
    • Mitt Romney
    • Ted Cruz
    • Marco Rubio
    • Liz Cheney
    • Chris Christie
    • I view them all unfavorably
  2. 2. Who wins in 2024: Biden vs Trump

  3. 3. Who wins in 2024: Biden vs DeSantis

  4. 4. Who wins in 2024: Biden vs Pence

  5. 5. Who wins in 2024: Biden vs Cruz

  6. 6. Who wins in 2024: Biden vs Romney

  7. 7. Which do you think is most likely to happen to Biden by 2024?

    • Biden resigns
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    • Biden does not resign, but he declines reelection
    • Biden dies in office
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    • Biden runs for reelection but he loses in the primaries or at Convention.
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    • Biden is the Democratic nominee
  8. 8. Which party would you most want to win in 2024 (major parties only) -- pick the lesser of two evils if you dislike both. There is no way they are identical.

  9. 9. Which party would you most want to win in 2024 (w/ 3rd parties)

    • Democratic
    • Republican
    • Libertarian
    • Green
    • a minor 3rd party that I have in mind (name below)
  10. 10. Which party would you vote for if all major parties dissolved (major 3rd parties only) -- pick the lesser of two evils. Neither are the same.



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Question 10 is such a weird one but take my vote with a grain of salt. I can support some Libertarian candidates but I know I'd never vote for the LP or Greens in a general election. Unless a Republican (Like 2016) had the Libertarian Party nomination. 

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16 minutes ago, Pringles said:

Question 10 is such a weird one but take my vote with a grain of salt. I can support some Libertarian candidates but I know I'd never vote for the LP or Greens in a general election. Unless a Republican (Like 2016) had the Libertarian Party nomination. 

This but opposite lmao

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If Pence or Romney are hypothetically the nominee (a highly unlikely outcome), I see a scenario where a large number of Trump voters refuse to vote for them in the general election. Thus allowing for Biden to win even with his lack of ability to perform the duties of the office and his unpopularity.

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11 minutes ago, Dobs said:

How anyone still views Donald Trump favorably is a wonder to me at this late stage in the devastation he brought the United States.

Well, honestly it would need more than just two categories (favorably/unfavorably) for me to accurately replicate my viewpoints. I simply chose those as favorable, who are above an arbitrary drawn line of my own political beliefs. That makes it possible to have both Trump and Cheney/Romney being  viewed as favorably at the same time. 

Compared to some people on this list Trump obviously still stands out are, because the devastation these people would bring or are about to bring to the United States might be far greater than anything Trump could have possibly done. So likewise I wonder how these office holders can be marked as being viewed favorably. 

Lastly the only one on this list I am backing 100% is Rubio. With all the others I have certain issues in varying degrees.

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3 minutes ago, ConservativeElector2 said:

Compared to some people on this list Trump obviously still stands out are, because the devastation these people would bring or are about to bring to the United States might be far greater than anything Trump could have possibly done. So likewise I wonder how these office holders can be marked as being viewed favorably. 

 

"Devastation" uh huh. There's only one President that during his tenure incited an attack on the Capitol. That's devastation. Disagreement on policy is a completely different thing. 

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1 minute ago, Hestia said:

"Devastation" uh huh. There's only one President that during his tenure incited an attack on the Capitol. That's devastation. Disagreement on policy is a completely different thing. 

A few hillbillies breaching the Capitol barriers, which have been left barely secured thanks to Speaker Pelosi, is neither a real devastation nor a real attack. True devastation would mean consequences to be felt for nearly the entire population for a very long time. That's likely not the case. Actually it have been a few politicians who constantly spoke of the threat of another attack. This threat was entirely made up, as we know now and might have known already back then.

Also that Trump, who urged people to remain peaceful, incited the attack is not entirely correct from my point of view. All people are able to act independently, if they don't listen to their president, they are at fault. Not necessarily him as well.

Lastly bad policies lead to real devastation when they are not ended as soon as possible. That's what can be observed in many places.

10 minutes ago, Patine said:

I'm afraid I don't see anyone on this list who could reasonably be said to bring more of a word such as, "devastation," to the United States as Trump. Not in any rational and realistic view of things that wasn't just unsubstantiated partisan mudslinging and hyperbolic polemics, at least.

I have to disagree, I am afraid. If we were really rational and realistic, we would also not demonize Trump. Anyway I won't make the Devil's advocate again, so that's my point of view you are all already aware of and I actually prefer to leave it here. 

 

 

I wanted to post it earlier but, here's my entire list of the above:

Rubio, DeSantis, Cruz, Pence, Christie, Haley, Romney, Trump, Cheney, Biden, Buttigieg, Harris, AOC

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20 minutes ago, ConservativeElector2 said:

Well, honestly it would need more than just two categories (favorably/unfavorably) for me to accurately replicate my viewpoints. I simply chose those as favorable, who are above an arbitrary drawn line of my own political beliefs. That makes it possible to have both Trump and Cheney/Romney being  viewed as favorably at the same time. 

Compared to some people on this list Trump obviously still stands out are, because the devastation these people would bring or are about to bring to the United States might be far greater than anything Trump could have possibly done. So likewise I wonder how these office holders can be marked as being viewed favorably. 

Lastly the only one on this list I am backing 100% is Rubio. With all the others I have certain issues in varying degrees.

I must say, lately I'm not really surprised considering you'd support Orbans political party in a Hungary poll here that was done a few days ago or so. 

I dont want to be an asshole but its hard not to offer criticism to someone who claims to be a Conservative who likes Dick Cheney, and George Bush.

Yet votes for right wing nationalists.

It's just something I've noticed and wanted to bring up. 

 

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1 minute ago, ConservativeElector2 said:

A few hillbillies breaching the Capitol barriers, which have been left barely secured thanks to Speaker Pelosi, is neither a real devastation nor a real attack. True devastation would mean consequences to be felt for nearly the entire population for a very long time. That's likely not the case. Actually it have been a few politicians who constantly spoke of the threat of another attack. This threat was entirely made up, as we know now and might have known already back then.

Also that Trump, who urged people to remain peaceful, incited the attack is not entirely correct from my point of view. All people are able to act independently, if they don't listen to their president, they are at fault. Not necessarily him as well.

Lastly bad policies lead to real devastation when they are not ended as soon as possible. That's what can be observed in many places.

Eugene Goodman: New security video reveals more heroics during Capitol riot  - CNNPolitics

I think Mitt Romney would disagree with you that it was not a real attack. All your other bullshit you were spewing is just as fudged as that horrible statement.  

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39 minutes ago, Patine said:

I'm afraid I don't see anyone on this list who could reasonably be said to bring more of a word such as, "devastation," to the United States as Trump. Not in any rational and realistic view of things that wasn't just unsubstantiated partisan mudslinging and hyperbolic polemics, at least.

What exactly did Trump do to bring devastation to the US that others in power have not done?

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14 minutes ago, Pringles said:

I must say, lately I'm not really surprised considering you'd support Orbans political party in a Hungary poll here that was done a few days ago or so. 

I wondered when this would be brought up 😛 Actually glad you did, because of course I knew there would be some criticism afterwards.

My vote for Orban's party is easily explained. If they ran separately I'd vote for the KDNP for sure. However, compared to the opposition Orban seems to be again the lesser of two evils. Let me be clear, I have no idea what it's like to live in Hungary under Orban (or America under Trump)  and I cannot claim any knowledge of it. It's even possible for me that I would dislike it like I strongly disliked the ''conservative'' former Kurz government in Austria. One should think I like Kurz and his followers due to my staunch support for right-wing parties. That's definitely not the case, because Kurz and his inner circle are power-hungry, incompetent, corrupt fake-conservative beguilers. Maybe that's true for Orban as well, but because I don't know for sure I'd still vote for the KDNP-coalition I guess. 

23 minutes ago, Pringles said:

I dont want to be an asshole but its hard not to offer criticism to someone who claims to be a Conservative who likes Dick Cheney, and George Bush.

Yet votes for right wing nationalists.

It's just something I've noticed and wanted to bring up. 

In some countries you don't have a Bushist/Cheneyist option to vote for. So you either go by the fake-conservatives or the right-wing nationalists.

 

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29 minutes ago, Hestia said:

Eugene Goodman: New security video reveals more heroics during Capitol riot  - CNNPolitics

I think Mitt Romney would disagree with you that it was not a real attack. All your other bullshit you were spewing is just as fudged as that horrible statement.  

Don't get me wrong, I disagree with Romney on some issues but I have the utmost respect for him as well. However, to address my belief what an attack is, it is clear to me that there should be some sort of armor if not military weapons involved. I don't believe that has been the case. Some wooden sword brandishing idiots can be easily escorted out of the rooms honestly. We also have seen videos in which the officers respectfully asked pretty quiet protesters to leave the place. Doesn't really look like a war zone to me. I am afraid the war zone hyperbole is largely media driven. 

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6 minutes ago, ConservativeElector2 said:

Don't get me wrong, I disagree with Romney on some issues but I have the utmost respect for him as well. However, to address my belief what an attack is, it is clear to me that there should be some sort of armor if not military weapons involved. I don't believe that has been the case. Some wooden sword brandishing idiots can be easily escorted out of the rooms honestly. We also have seen videos in which the officers respectfully asked pretty quiet protesters to leave the place. Doesn't really look like a war zone to me. I am afraid the war zone hyperbole is largely media driven. 

I want you to be completely honest here. What do you think would have happened if Eugene Goodman didn't direct Romney away from the Capitol rioters? They were just down the hallway after all. Keep in mind these were the same people chanting "Hang Mike Pence". 

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6 minutes ago, ConservativeElector2 said:

In some countries you don't have a Bushist/Cheneyist option to vote for. So you either go by the fake-conservatives or the right-wing nationalists.

In case we haven't noticed. Bush and Cheney are the definition of fake conservative perpetuated by Fox News and the populists. 

If being called a fake conservative by a Trumpist is supposed to insult me I dont really care. I'm not the one that mobilized a group of people to attempt a coup on our government.

It seems you need to make up your own mind on what you truly are. A conservative or a right wing populist.

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17 minutes ago, Patine said:

Not saying why Trump should be gone easy on

Well, as I said to say he incited the attack is a bit exaggerated when he in fact urged his supporters to stay peaceful. Just reiterating a false media narrative doesn't make it sound correct. 

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or STILL not saying what alternative devastation is at hand by others 

We see many problems in cities like the one I live in. These are the problems caused by decades of left-wing government mismanagement. As we see how these policies have turned out, why should it be different if other left-wing politicians come into power? I believe we would not have these problems if Trump for example had been the mayor. I am not saying everything would be perfect, we would probably have other problems, but the kind of things we are witnessing now is not really bearable.

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2 minutes ago, ConservativeElector2 said:

Well, as I said to say he incited the attack is a bit exaggerated when he in fact urged his supporters to stay peaceful. Just reiterating a false media narrative doesn't make it sound correct. 

I think it's important to note he said for them to remain peaceful after the fact they had already stormed the building. Prior to that he said "Fight like hell."

You can see the timestamps from the old tweets. 

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3 minutes ago, Pringles said:

In case we haven't noticed. Bush and Cheney are the definition of fake conservative perpetuated by Fox News and the populists. 

If being called a fake conservative by a Trumpist is supposed to insult me I dont really care. I'm not the one that mobilized a group of people to attempt a coup on our government.

It seems you need to make up your own mind on what you truly are. A conservative or a right wing populist.

Actually I have meant real fake-conservatives like the Kurz government, right-wing populists like our opposition party FPÖ or the missing REAL conservatives like Bush or Cheney which is clearly missing in Austria.

I think you didn't understand what I was saying. We are missing the last option, the real conservatives, on the ballot. I'd vote for Bush/Cheney, but in Austria there are only fake conservatives or far-right weirdos on the ballot. 

I don't really care if Fox News deems Bush a fake conservative or not.

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8 minutes ago, ConservativeElector2 said:

Well, as I said to say he incited the attack is a bit exaggerated when he in fact urged his supporters to stay peaceful. Just reiterating a false media narrative doesn't make it sound correct. 

Which was after the attack had already begun...the fact Virginia and Maryland mobilized their National Guards before the US had authorized the National Guard in its own capital city is directly his fault. The MAYOR of DC sent a request to Virginia for aid. That leadership was sorely lacking on that day, which you don't seem to be acknowledging. The Speaker of the House should not be the one running national defense in this country. It's not her job.

 

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