vcczar Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 Here's the 3rd bill: @Dobs @MrPotatoTed @WVProgressive @Rodja @JohnGRobertsJr @Cal @Rezi @DakotaHale @Sean F Kennedy @ConservativeElector2 @Cenzonico @Beetlejuice @Hestia @Patine @jnewt @Kitten @Magnus Rex @Pringles @The Blood @vcczar No Child Left Behind: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Child_Left_Behind_Act This bipartisan education assessment-based bill to gain federal funding for education is expected to pass by a significant margin. The small opposition comes mostly from progressive members of the Senate, but some Republicans also oppose the bill for a variety of reasons. * Every Senator should make some sort of statement on the bill or attempt to sway fellow Senators. * Please wait a few days before voting unless you are 100% sure how you are going to vote, and you know you won't be convinced otherwise. ***YOUR VOTE WILL NOT COUNT IF YOU DID NOT SIGN UP TO PLAY THIS SENATE FORUM GAME. If you'd like to join the game, let us know. Do not vote until you join the game. If you vote before requesting to join, then you will not be allowed to join.*** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Rex Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 I am voting Yay on this bill on the grounds that it opens the door for more Charter Schools; either by converting failing public schools into Charters or otherwise. I believe the best hope for closing the achievement gap is to empower parents to reassert their crucial role in the education of their children, and school choice puts the power back where it belongs, in the hands of individual parents and families and not in the hands of labor union lobbyists and fatcat special interest groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cenzonico Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 Government intervention into education is a no go in my book, and forcing schools to meet set standards would only hurt students and teachers and leave certain subjects in the dust. I'd love to see the abolition of the Department of Education but voting nay on this is the best thing I could do at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakotaHale Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 I will be voting Nay on this bill. Standardized testing is detrimental to improving education in our country. This bill is no better than a bribe to the teacher's unions to allow the continuing destruction of our education system by the federal government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted May 3, 2021 Author Share Posted May 3, 2021 I oppose any bill mandating standardized tests. These tests may capture the intelligence, learning, memory retention, etc. of a portion of the students, but many intelligence children cannot be measured accurately with such tests. These tests only accurately measure a student's ability to take this test. It does not measure what they know or what they learned. At least not for some students. Similarly, it might also be inaccurate in gauging the standards of the schools. I intend to vote against this bill. I favor a bill that greatly increases the wages of teachers and the money for school supplies. If wages are increased, more of the best and brightest will aim to become teachers. This will make teaching more competitive. The best teachers will keep their jobs in a field that is in demand because they'll have edged out worse teachers. Better teachers mean there will be a better learning environment. However, we need a way to measure the students. Therefore, rather than having a one-size fits all standardized test. I strongly advocate the use of multiple learning tests, which allows the students to present their knowledge in a way that is more suitable to their learning styles. For some, this might be the rote memorization that a standardized test often requires. For some, it may be more essay based. Or a more verbal defense. Etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pringles Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 I'm voting against the bill, while it's good to have our government ensure schools are meeting our standards, and ensuring American children remain the brightest in the world, standardized testing is not a good idea and will lead to poor performance in the long run as it's essentially memory practice. It's one thing to identify poor performers, but the proposed bill offers no solution whatsoever. When it comes to poor performers it's a job that is not best suited for the federal government to identify, that's something that must happen in a classroom, good teachers, good principals, good local policies that get poor performers back on track is where our priorities should be. We need to encourage, and be proactive, but federal massive federal intervention will not fix this problem in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVProgressive Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 A reliance on standardized testing, more charter schools, and a lack of regard for the arts, are the reasons I'm voting against this bill. While I'm glad that it improves Special Education, I believe we must pass a much better bill than the one proposed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezi Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 I declare my vote as a nay on this bill. This comes from my beliefs against standardized testing, and against the federal government intervening in education. Standardized testing does nothing but leave students in the dust and neuter teaching in favor of test scores, which are not at all representative of students' strengths. I also believe that the Federal Government should remain out of education up to age 18, except in the realm of civil rights, which are not addressed in this bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted May 4, 2021 Author Share Posted May 4, 2021 Waiting for 11 more votes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted May 5, 2021 Author Share Posted May 5, 2021 Since this bill is easily passing, I'll move to the next historic bill as soon as we get more votes: @Dobs @MrPotatoTed @WVProgressive @Rodja @JohnGRobertsJr @Cal @Rezi @DakotaHale @Sean F Kennedy @ConservativeElector2 @Cenzonico @Beetlejuice @Hestia @Patine @jnewt @Kitten @Magnus Rex @Pringles @The Blood @vcczar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 I don't have strong views on this one, and wasn't particularly swayed in either direction, so I'll log my vote as "present." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted May 5, 2021 Author Share Posted May 5, 2021 52 minutes ago, MrPotatoTed said: I don't have strong views on this one, and wasn't particularly swayed in either direction, so I'll log my vote as "present." It's kind of one of those bills. I think it was cobbled together just so the establishment on both sides can claim to have improved education during their reelection bids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hestia Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 1 hour ago, MrPotatoTed said: I don't have strong views on this one, and wasn't particularly swayed in either direction, so I'll log my vote as "present." Same here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted May 6, 2021 Author Share Posted May 6, 2021 @Dobs @MrPotatoTed @WVProgressive @Rodja @JohnGRobertsJr @Cal @Rezi @DakotaHale @Sean F Kennedy @ConservativeElector2 @Cenzonico @Beetlejuice @Hestia @Patine @jnewt @Kitten @Magnus Rex @Pringles @The Blood @vcczar Lets get some more votes here so I can do the next bill. Missing 6 Senators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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