vcczar Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 This will be my next thread when I can get to it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted October 24, 2021 Author Share Posted October 24, 2021 Spiro T Agnew Moderate (eventually became more conservative) 1 command, 1 governing, 1 military Business as initial expertise Efficient, Manipulative, Pliable, Controversial, Cop Notes: Historically, only the second VP ever to resign (Calhoun resigned over disagreement with Jackson's administration), but he is the first to resign because of scandal. Agnew likely would have been a better president than Ford, executively speaking. He would have excelled in a judicial crisis; however, he's susceptible to being influenced. Best as a governor, where he'd excel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted October 24, 2021 Author Share Posted October 24, 2021 Alben W Barkley Liberal 1 command, 2 legislative, 1 governing Justice as initial expertise Kingmaker, Likable, Bookkeeper Notes: Best for legislature but not bad for president either. Sort of like a Joe Biden with an ability with numbers. Barkley would have likely been a good president in an economic crisis. As he was from KY, VP was the closest he'd come to the presidency. He wanted to be president after Truman declined another term, and expected to be the nominee, but he was so old that delegates started looking elsewhere, settling on Stevenson. One of KY's great politicians. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted October 25, 2021 Author Share Posted October 25, 2021 Lloyd Bentsen Moderate 1 command, 2 legislative, 1 judicial, 1 military, 1 admin Military as initial expertise Debater, Bookkeeper Notes: Best for legislature; however, would have likely made a decent president had Dukakis won in 1988 and then been unable to finish his term. Bentsen is the type of person that would have risen to the occasion in an economic crisis. However, he hasn't any quality that will help him get elected. His best qualities are probably his range. He has 5 of the 6 abilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted October 26, 2021 Author Share Posted October 26, 2021 Francis P Blair Jr Blair Dynasty Moderate 1 command, 1 legislative, 1 military, 1 admin Justice as initial expertise Frail, Pliable, Propagandist, Illicit, Southern Unionist Notes: Great range. Best for legislative. A middling choice for Pres or VP. Historically, he was Horatio Seymour's 1868 VP nominee--one of the weakest tickets in history. However, few people wanted to compete to be on a ticket destined for a landslide defeat. In desperation, Blair appealed to racism to get votes. This has tarnished his legacy, which had been previously strong, considering he was a Southern Unionist. He had a paralyzing stroke in 1872. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted October 27, 2021 Author Share Posted October 27, 2021 Will return to this at the end of the week. Got too much going on with writing up simplified rules and mastering excel after that. Oh and also working two other jobs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted October 29, 2021 Author Share Posted October 29, 2021 Charles W Bryan Bryan dynasty LW Pop 1 command, 1 legis, 1 gov Business expertise Reformist Propagandist, uncharismatic, provincial, passive Notes: Brother of William Jennings Bryan. Less electable overall. Best for governor. Historically, lost way more elections than he ever won. Lacked the impressiveness of his older brother. Makes sense as VP if one is attempting to shore up support for a specific ideology. His "provincial" trait is helpful in gaining support for his region. He was a member of arguably the least exciting ticket in the history of the Democratic Party, which had UK Amb John W. Davis--the last conservative Democratic nominee--at the top of the ticket in 1924. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted October 30, 2021 Author Share Posted October 30, 2021 Nicholas M Butler Conservative 1 command, 1 admin Education as initial expertise Nationalist Disharmonious, Egghead, Naive Strategiest, Delegator Notes: VP might actually be his best spot as he'd help win the crucial state of NY. Outside of that, he's not really a strong politician. Just make sure the president on the ticket isn't a threat to die. He would not make a very good president if he rose to the office. Historically, Butler was president of Columbia University for over four decades (only a decade by the time he was Taft's VP nom in 1912). He was part of Teddy Roosevelt's circle of friends, which might be why he was selected as VP. He was likely anti-Semitic and probably had some fascist tendencies too. He was known for being arrogant too. It's hard to understand why he was a VP choice, aside from his friendship with TR. Another clue might be that he had been a GOP delegate since 1888 and his selection as VP might have helped secure Taft's nomination over Roosevelt in 1912. He's continue to be a GOP delegate until 1936. In 1916, he supported the legendary cabinet-member Elihu Root for president. In 1920, Butler tried to run for president on his own, but he went no where. Interestingly, Teddy Roosevelt, Elihu Root, and Butler all won the Nobel Peace Prize in various years. Butler won his for advocating isolationism (i.e. "peace" at the time) and international education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted October 30, 2021 Author Share Posted October 30, 2021 William O Butler Moderate 1 command, 1 legislative, 1 military Military as initial expertise Integrity, Hale Notes: Best for military. No real flaws, but hasn't any strengths to break out as a star. Good VP choice if you're wanting to win KY. Historically, he was Lewis Cass's VP. They were competing against General Zachary Taylor and thought adding another Mexican War General would help the ticket. It was actually a double military ticket as Cass was a War of 1812 general. Despite being from KY, Butler opposed slavery and was pro-Union. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted October 31, 2021 Author Share Posted October 31, 2021 Dick Cheney Cheney dynasty Conservative 1 command, 1 legis, 1 admin Economics as initial expertise Expansionist Kingmaker, Manipulative, Uncharismatic, Unlikable, Geostrategist, Illicit, Domestic Apathy Notes: Best as legislator. If becomes president, you better be at war. Would fail in a domestic crisis. Not very electable. Actually best as a backroom politician but Wyoming isn't a very helpful place to be for that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConservativeElector2 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 On 10/25/2021 at 1:38 PM, vcczar said: Lloyd Bentsen Moderate 1 command, 2 legislative, 1 judicial, 1 military, 1 admin Military as initial expertise Debater, Bookkeeper I am surprised Bentsen hasn't got Likeable. You yourself stated that the Dems nominated the likeable Bentsen instead of the more charismatic Jesse Jackson in '88. On 10/24/2021 at 9:46 PM, vcczar said: Alben W Barkley He wanted to be president after Truman declined another term, and expected to be the nominee, but he was so old that delegates started looking elsewhere, settling on Stevenson. One of KY's great politicians. Do you think Barkley would have done better than Stevenson against Eisenhower? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted October 31, 2021 Author Share Posted October 31, 2021 2 hours ago, ConservativeElector2 said: Do you think Barkley would have done better than Stevenson against Eisenhower? No. Stevenson had more urban appeal which was crucial considering urban centers were competitive then. Barkley wasn’t going to win any states that were already going to go Democrat. I don’t think any Democrat could have won in 1952 against Eisenhower or in 1956. You’d probably need another WWII hero like George C. Marshall to make it close. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted October 31, 2021 Author Share Posted October 31, 2021 3 hours ago, ConservativeElector2 said: I am surprised Bentsen hasn't got Likeable. You yourself stated that the Dems nominated the likeable Bentsen instead of the more charismatic Jesse Jackson in '88. Added likable to Bentsen 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted October 31, 2021 Author Share Posted October 31, 2021 George Clinton Clinton Dynasty Moderate (really hard to classify--in some ways populist too) 1 command, 1 legislative, 3 governing, 1 military Justice as initial expertise Iron Fist, Leadership, Provincial, Bookkeeper, Domestic Warrior, Notes: Ideal for both governor and faction leader. Better VP than President because of "Provincial." Will likely win you NY if he's on the ticket, unless facing another ticket with NY. Would make a great crisis president. Historically, the longest serving governor in the history of NY. Served during the Rev War and through some of Washington's presidency. Was the first Jeffersonian candidate for president but had little appeal outside his state. Jefferson opted to replace his VP Burr with Clinton during Jefferson's 2nd term. Clinton was kept on as VP by Madison, but died in office. It's hard to find an analogy for Clinton today. The closest analogy would be if Andrew Cuomo served as governor for over two decades, ran for president a few times, and then became VP. Clinton dominated NY state, although Burr was the leading figure in NYC. They battled Hamilton and Jay for NY and usually won. Within a ten year span, Burr killed Hamilton, which helped kill Burr's career, and Jay retired and Clinton died. This left a huge power vacuum, which was filled by nephew DeWitt Clinton , who led one faction of NY Jeffersonian Republicans, against the Tompkins/Van Buren wing of the Jeffersonian Republicans. The nephew's wing centered more on NYC and had adopted several Federalist tenants, while Tompkins and Van Buren were based in the state capital of Albany. When both Tompkins and DeWitt Clinton died early, Van Buren became paramount in NY. The dwindling Federalists were led by Rufus King after Hamilton's death and Jay's retirement. NY politics is almost as interesting as US politics. It's really where factionalism and party politics began. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted November 1, 2021 Author Share Posted November 1, 2021 Schuyler Colfax Colfax Dynasty Liberal 1 command, 2 legislative Media as initial expertise Civil Rights Manipulative, Propagandist, Controversial, Micromanager Can be independent Notes: Historically, Grant's first VP. Grant kicked him off the ticket for two reasons 1) He was scandal-prone and 2) He was a little pushy in trying to get Grant to either run for president or decline to run, so that he could run for president instead. This latter was more of a reason than the scandal. Best for legislative, where he served as Speaker, historically. As a VP, he helps secure IN but adds little else. As president, he is likely to fall to scandal and get in his own way by micromanaging others. A deadly combination. However, with a legislative ability, he might do well in helping push through legislation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted November 2, 2021 Author Share Posted November 2, 2021 Charles Curtis Moderate 1 command 2 legis Business as initial expertise Civil Rights Egghead, Integrity, Likable, Pliable, Uncharismatic, Lackey, Harmonious, Passive Notes: Historically, a leader in the Senate, VP for Hoover, and the first VP of Native American descent. Kind of a perfect VP for Hoover, but had he become president, he would have likely been something of a puppet, and would have had little boldness to his presidency, especially during a time of trouble. Best to keep him in the US Senate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted November 2, 2021 Author Share Posted November 2, 2021 I'm going to pause on this until after my meeting with Anthony on Thursday night because some of the stuff I'm posting might change. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted November 5, 2021 Author Share Posted November 5, 2021 I'm not going to have time to finish this thread, and it some of the components might change anyway. I'm going to be busy with kickstarter stuff and in filling in the descriptions of events and such. I'll also probably be changing some of them a bit. Lots and lots of double-checking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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