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[DakotaHale]

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[DakotaHale]

I do think it’s funny how the only big name public figures I’ve seen speak against globalism are Trump, Bernie, and Elon Musk. 

[vcczar]

I'm not hugely supportive of either as I don't like big money in politics at all. However, I think they tend to have their heart in the right place more often than other big money people. 

I support globalization and generally most internationalism that could be stepping stones toward a sort of Star Trek-like humanitarian world government. In an ideal world, I'd want no borders.

[Pringles]

both men are lizard people 🐸

[DakotaHale]

31 minutes ago, Patine said:

Ahem. You forgot Greta Thurnberg. "How dare you!" "They said blah, blah, blah." And other great zingers!

Greta Thunberg is 100% a globalist. Not sure why you think she’s not. Unless you made a joke that went right over my head, in which case feel free to mock me lol (I’m bad at sarcasm)

[DakotaHale]

@Pringles and @Dobs are not names I would have expected to see supporting globalism

[jvikings1]

1 minute ago, DakotaHale said:

@Pringles and @Dobs are not names I would have expected to see supporting globalism

Neither are big on nationalism, so it makes sense they'd take the globalist's side

[DakotaHale]

2 minutes ago, jvikings1 said:

Neither are big on nationalism, so it makes sense they'd take the globalist's side

Nationalism shouldn’t have the stigma that it does. I’m 100% a nationalist and think everyone in other countries should be more or less.

[DakotaHale]

Just now, Patine said:

Why are you surprised by Dobs? He seems to believe that minimally-regulated, free-market Capitalization (of which Globalization is an advanced product, all-in-all) is the optimal system for the prosperity, freedom, democracy, and happiness of ALL, is in actual denial of the many crippling and horrid (and blatantly obviously) flaws and damage to society and all good things in it tracing to Capitalistic causes (and even tries to say Socialism is actually to blame for all of them), and has actually said that, "Capitalism is the only economic system any Bible-abiding Christian would ever support," despite Christ only giving parable ranging from cautionary to condemnatory when He spoke on wealth, hording wealth, or a life devoted to acquiring wealth in His Ministry.

You actually just made a great point in favor of Dobs

[jvikings1]

3 minutes ago, DakotaHale said:

Nationalism shouldn’t have the stigma that it does. I’m 100% a nationalist and think everyone in other countries should be more or less.

Agreed. Though I do oppose economic nationalism (tariffs, subsidies for American companies, etc.).

When it comes to political nationalism (America-first foreign policy; putting citizens first; opposing international organizations like the UN; defend our borders; etc), I am very much in favor.

[DakotaHale]

Also I hate the antichrist

[DakotaHale]

Just now, Patine said:

Nationalism, along with a theocratic view of religion of religion, a spoils view of economics, and hard socialism are the four pillar concepts between all evil ideologies in the modern world. A, "nation-state," is just an artificial legal construct to define governmental jurisdiction, and, their creation, identity, and borders are quite arbitrary, and, in the long-term, changeable.

"Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind,"

-Albert Einstein

"You cannot see international borders from space,"

-First message sent down by an ESA astronaut after first arriving on the International Space Station

“Holy shit I should not have eaten that”

— me three hours after eating “that”

[Pringles]

20 minutes ago, DakotaHale said:

@Pringles and @Dobs are not names I would have expected to see supporting globalism

Well, I perceive globalism as internationalism. I'm very pro-internationalism. Anti-isolationism. And my foreign policy views reflect that. I don't like the word nationalist. It's not really a thing I'd want to be called, nor would I subscribe to. 😛  I prefer the word patriot. Am I patriot? Yes, of course. 

Globalism was made into the boogeyman in 2010s+, if you look back, I don't think it was such a dirty word unless you looked among blue collar leftists, and Pat Buchanan types like in the 2000s. 

Edited February 28, 2022 by Pringles

[jnewt]

23 minutes ago, Patine said:

Why are you surprised by Dobs? He seems to believe that minimally-regulated, free-market Capitalization (of which Globalization is an advanced product, all-in-all) is the optimal system for the prosperity, freedom, democracy, and happiness of ALL, is in actual denial of the many crippling and horrid (and blatantly obviously) flaws and damage to society and all good things in it tracing to Capitalistic causes (and even tries to say Socialism is actually to blame for all of them), and has actually said that, "Capitalism is the only economic system any Bible-abiding Christian would ever support," despite Christ only giving parable ranging from cautionary to condemnatory when He spoke on wealth, hording wealth, or a life devoted to acquiring wealth in His Ministry.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but this is a good example of where you could condense a comment into something more readable. The "and...and...and..." and repeated parentheticals are overkill when all you need is "His vote seems to reflect his positive views and support for capitalism."

[Timur]

I do not like Soros or Gates. I don't think they're demonic NWO guys or something like that, though.

[Kitten]

30 minutes ago, Pringles said:

Well, I perceive globalism as internationalism. I'm very pro-internationalism. Anti-isolationism. And my foreign policy views reflect that. I don't like the word nationalist. It's not really a thing I'd want to be called, nor would I subscribe to. 😛  I prefer the word patriot. Am I patriot? Yes, of course. 

Globalism was made into the boogeyman in 2010s+, if you look back, I don't think it was such a dirty word unless you looked among blue collar leftists, and Pat Buchanan types like in the 2000s. 

So based. Agreed 

[Dobs]

48 minutes ago, DakotaHale said:

@Pringles and @Dobs are not names I would have expected to see supporting globalism

It's a difficult question to be confined into buzzword terms, so let me give you my overall view.

I am first and foremost a patriot, I'm a patriot because I believes the ideals upon which the United States was founded are the greatest ideals upon which any nation was ever founded. I think the writings of Locke, Smith, Montesquieu and their distillation by Madison are some of the singularly most genius penstrokes ever authored on this planet. And yes, as Patine mentioned, I am a devout Capitalist (though some of my previous fanatacism about religion and economics was definitely inflated for dramatic effect.) I am a firm democrat and a firm republican. I am a firm classical liberal. I believe economic liberties are inalienably tied to political liberties and that both must be cherished, defended, and spread. These are not just national ideas (though they are the ideas that make us great as a nation), these are rightfully global ideas. God-given freedoms are, after all, for all of His children.

So, because I believe so fully in the Montesquieuian construction of prosperity (Spirit of the Laws Part 3, Book 19, Chapters 9 and 27 are particularly good on this), I believe it ought to be spread. This leads me to supporting a lot of policies which are considered "globalist" though I wouldn't define myself that way. That first means ardently free trade. As J puts it, a clear aversion to economic nationalism. It also means American leadership on the global stage, diplomatically and militarily. This then must also mean strong alliances like NATO with those who cherish liberty and democracy nearly as much as we do. It means being active and strong when these ideas are threatened.

We are an exceptional nation. We are that shining city on a hill. We are the greatest nation on the planet. Some would call this nationalism. Perhaps it is, for me it simply means I love my nation. We therefore have an affirmative duty to take an active part in global affairs and lead the free world. Some would call this globalism. Perhaps it is, for me it simply means I love what my nation represents.

When democracy thrives, nations thrive. When global markets grow, global wealth grows. When liberty and freedom spread, so too does prosperity. 

Call it what you'd like, globalism, nationalism, a strange mix of both? Perhaps internationalism. I call it American Exceptionalism and I am a proud practitioner. I'm an old-school Cold Warrior right down to my bones, and you'll find that colors a lot of my political positions.

[Kitten]

3 minutes ago, Dobs said:

It's a difficult question to be confined into buzzword terms, so let me give you my overall view.

I am first and foremost a patriot, I'm a patriot because I believes the ideals upon which the United States was founded are the greatest ideals upon which any nation was ever founded. I think the writings of Locke, Smith, Montesquieu and their distillation by Madison are some of the singularly most genius penstrokes ever authored on this planet. And yes, as Patine mentioned, I am a devout Capitalist (though some of my previous fanatacism about religion and economics was definitely inflated for dramatic effect.) I am a firm democrat and a firm republican. I am a firm classical liberal. I believe economic liberties are inalienably tied to political liberties and that both must be cherished, defended, and spread. These are not just national ideas (though they are the ideas that make us great as a nation), these are rightfully global ideas. God-given freedoms are, after all, for all of His children.

So, because I believe so fully in the Montesquieuian construction of prosperity (Spirit of the Laws Part 3, Book 19, Chapters 9 and 27 are particularly good on this), I believe it ought to be spread. This leads me to supporting a lot of policies which are considered "globalist" though I wouldn't define myself that way. That first means ardently free trade. As J puts it, a clear aversion to economic nationalism. It also means American leadership on the global stage, diplomatically and militarily. This then must also mean strong alliances like NATO with those who cherish liberty and democracy nearly as much as we do. It means being active and strong when these ideas are threatened.

We are an exceptional nation. We are that shining city on a hill. We are the greatest nation on the planet. Some would call this nationalism. Perhaps it is, for me it simply means I love my nation. We therefore have an affirmative duty to take an active part in global affairs and lead the free world. Some would call this globalism. Perhaps it is, for me it simply means I love what my nation represents.

When democracy thrives, nations thrive. When global markets grow, global wealth grows. When liberty and freedom spread, so too does prosperity. 

Call it what you'd like, globalism, nationalism, a strange mix of both? Perhaps internationalism. I call it American Exceptionalism and I am a proud practitioner. I'm an old-school Cold Warrior right down to my bones, and you'll find that colors a lot of my political positions.

So based

[ConservativeElector2]

10 hours ago, DakotaHale said:

@Pringles and @Dobs are not names I would have expected to see supporting globalism

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"We are an exceptional nation. We are that shining city on a hill. We are the greatest nation on the planet. Some would call this nationalism. Perhaps it is, for me it simply means I love my nation. We therefore have an affirmative duty to take an active part in global affairs and lead the free world. Some would call this globalism. Perhaps it is, for me it simply means I love what my nation represents."

Well, I am someone who supports a mix from both. I can agree with what @Dobs said here 100%. He wrote what I would write if I were an American.

I think everyone should be proud of the nation they call home. However, we should work together with other likeminded countries to exchange what can be useful in order to get the best out of everything. If you call advocating for increased patriotic feelings "nationalist", then I am an ardent nationalist. I also support what @jvikings1 said here: "(America-first foreign policy; putting citizens first; opposing international organizations like the UN; defend our borders; etc)"

However, if you call sharing knowledge, building relationships and taking advantage of what other countries have to offer (whether it be culturally, economical or culinary) a "globalist" attitude then I am an ardent globalist. I see myself somewhere in the middle for most of the debate, although my interests might be very well more globalist. I am probably more interested in other countries compared to my own.