Bushwa777

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Should still be son of Return SR not Jr since he is Jr

Here is another one CPU Movement: There is a 20% chance the CPU will attempt to shift three of their politicians towards: 60% toward the preferred ideology of the politician’s state, provided the shift can be made in one shift. [AB have to set Geo Ideologies] 40% toward the ideology that has the highest enthusiasm in their party, provided the shift can be made in one shift. [AB not certain how highest enthusiasm Ideology in Party is determined] They will shift no more than 5 politicians per phase, chosen randomly among those who can make the move in one shift. The CPU will always try to avoid the “two-faced” penalty. So is it 3 or is it 5?

As I go through doing my playtest I keep finding issues with the CPU rules and the rules that you have all told me. We need to have one set of rules. Here is an example. I was told we do not draft those who are not from states that do not exist in union yet BUT here the rules say: When there are multiple rookie options tied for the highest skill, choose the politician whose home state is not admitted into the union yet, when possible. So how can you do this if you do not have those from places that are not states?

Saw this in bio for Return J. Megs Jr: Colonel in the Continental Army during the American Revolutionary War. An early settler of what would eventually become OH. Drafted the code of regulations used for governance until the formal creation of the Northwest Territory. Father of Gov Return J Meigs Jr. How can he be his own father?

1810-1812 Summary: Flip-Flopper Removed: William Tilghman, George Walton Relocations: Walter Folger Jr moves to alternate state of Vermont Lewis Condict moves to alternate state of Tennessee John Nicholas moves to alternate state of New York Israel Smith moves to alternate state of Georgia John Andrew Sculze moves to alternate state of Massachussts Elijah Paine moves to alternate state of New Jersey Return J. Meigs Sr moves to alternate state of Tennessee Humphrey Marshall moves to alternate state of New York Edward St. Lo Livermore moves to alternate state of Massachussts Samuel Paynter moves to alternate state of Vermont Roger Griswold moves to alternate state of New Jersey Ideology Shifts: Vice President Aaron Burr moves from Liberal to Moderate. Senator Alexander J. Dallas moves from Moderate to RW Pop Senator Samuel Eddy moves from Mod to RW Pop Governor Matthais fails to move from Mod to LW Pop, gets two faced Representative Caleb Tompkins moves from Lib to Mod, gets flip-flopper William Crawford moves from Cons to RW Pop, gets flip-flopper Lewis B. Sturges fails to move from Mod to Cons John Culpepper fails to move from Mod to Cons, gets two faced Jacob Read moves from Cons to Trad George Baer Jr fails to move from Mod to Cons, gets flip-flopper Edward St. Loe Livermore fails to move from Mod to Cons No disgruntled ideology No party members flip to other party Joseph McMinn moves from the Tertium Quads faction to the Republicans faction George W P Custis moves from Moderates to Moralist Federalists Kingmakers: Governor Paul Hamilton of South Carolina takes Thomas Sumter Jr as his protégé. Sumter gets +1 Command, +1 Gov, expertise in technology and is a theocrat. Representative Thomas Blount takes on Israel Pickens as his protégé. Pickens gets +1 Command, +1 Admin, expertise in naval, and is a nationalist. President John Page takes on Representative Peyton Randolph II as his protégé. Randolph gets +1 Command, +1 Admin, expertise in military, is an expansionist, and is a puritan. Alexander Hamilton takes on Washington Irving as his protégé. Irving gets +1 Command, +1 Admin, expertise in naval, is a left-wing activist, and is manipulative. Stephen Girard takes Robert Allison on as his protégé. Allison gets +1 Command, +1 Admin, expertise in agriculture, is a nationalist, and is a puritan. Speaker of the House: John Edwards has been elected Speaker of the House. He has named as his chairs the following: Joseph Bradley Varnum as Domestic, Michael Jenifer Stone as Foreign Affairs/Military, Thomas Jefferson as Economic, and John Milton as Judicial. Senate Pro Tempore: James Madison keeps the post of Senate Pro Tempore for a third term. Madison chooses the following chairs: Daniel Heister as Domestic, James Mitchel Varnum as Foreign Affairs/Military, John Hathorn as Economic, and Richard A. Buckner as Judicial. Faction Leaders: Minister to the UK Arthur Fenner continues to lead the Populists (LW). He is really wanting to be President in 1812 with a +1 Command (maxing that stat out). Ex-President George Clinton continues to lead the Republicans. Due perhaps to an effort to change his legacy, he has become a crisis manager. Representative Gunning Bedford Jr continues to lead the War Hawks. He is becoming a better legislature but despite this he is starting to become easily overwhelmed. President John Page is still the leader of his faction still called the Anti-Federalists. Page is starting to become a better legislature leaving some to believe that like the late Richard Henry Lee, Page will stay around to become a Representative or a Senator, but that remains to be seen. Governor Charles Scott is still the leader of the Tertium Quads. Nathanial Gorham lost his faction to Alexander Hamilton, which is still known as the Moralist Federalists. Hamilton has shown a true Ironfist to others. Peleg Wadsworth continues to lead the Moderate Federalists. Peleg is now an expansionist. Thomas Scott is still leading his faction the Moderates. Senator Francis Malbone still is leading the Malbone Federalists. The Arch-Federalists are now led by Governor John Davenport. Davenport is no longer an obscure politician. Democratic-Republican Party Leader: President John Page Federalist Party Leader: Senator Francis Malbone President John Page’s Cabinet: State: John Breckenridge (retained) Treasury: William Cocke (retained) War: George Logan (retained) Attorney General: Alexander J. Dallas Navy: William Eustis (retained) Key Advisor: Joseph Heister President of the Bank of the US: James Turner Minister to the UK: James Winthrop Minister to France: John E. Van Alen Minister to Spain: Thomas Tudor Tucker (retained) Minister to Prussia: Thomas Blount Minister to Russia: Arthur Fenner New Senator from Pennsylvania: Henry Baldwin New Governor of North Carolina: Israel Pickens New Representative from North Carolina: Lewis Williams Random Death/Retirement: Jared Irwin dies of natural causes Richard Montgomery is retiring for reasons of personal health Philip Key dies of tuberculosis Daniel Smith dies of natural causes Representative John Milton will retire in 1812 for family reasons Alexander Gillon is retiring to go back to his plantation John Baptista Ashe has died of dropsy John Heister dies of malaria Francis Hopkinson retires for family reasons Nathaniel Gorham retires to take a job running a Christian charity Senator Jonathan Elmer dies of dysentery. The new Senator from New Jersey is: Roger Griswold Henry Machant retires saying he is being pressured out Minister to France John E. Van Alen dies of yellow fever. The new Minister to France is: Charles Pinckney Hayom Salomon retires to become a lobbyist for law and order. Benjamin Stoddert retires saying he has been pressured out. Thomas Scott dies of cholera. New Faction leader of the Moderates is John Jay Senator Joshua Clayton of Delaware dies while out hunting when he tripped over an apple and fell hitting his head on a rock. The new Senator from Delaware is: Jacob Broom. The Senate now stands at 25 DR to 9 Fed. Samuel Chase dies of typhoid. Anytime Evos: Oh no! A lone assassin walked up to Senator James Hillhouse while he was walking out of the capital and pulled two pistols firing them both. Police arrested him soon after. Senator Hillhouse died at the scene. The new Senator from Connecticut is: Samuel W. Dana. The senate count stays the same. A recession starting in Europe has spread to the shores of America. President Page releases a statement to the press that the recession is not his fault and there is not much he can do to turn it around. The era of good feelings is over. The recession has hit the maritime and agriculture industry extremely hard. Faction Leader Alexander Hamilton has opened a letter from a well-meaning friend telling him about Charles C. Ridgely of Maryland who is aiming for his job. Ridgely has let it be known he would not mind being considered for VP this year and he has developed iron fist. It is official, the global economic panic is indeed affecting the economy of the United States! All industries have been hit by this great depression as it is becoming known! Perhaps in a bid to get a second chance at the Executive Mansion, Ex-President George Clinton has been seen drinking with and joking around with other Federalists in New York City. He has been heard to say it is time to bring the country together in this awful time. John Wales of Delaware has become extremely popular and likable, and Faction Leader Alexander Hamilton is thinking of finding some office for him to run for in 1812. Speaking of Alexander Hamilton, he recently spent the weekend at the country home of Associate Justice James Iredell. A few days later, Iredell has announced he is now a liberal. Knowing the age of some of the Supreme Court Justices, and banking on the hope that the Federalists will win the Executive Mansion in 1812, Oliver Wolcott Jr has been spending time studying old law cases hoping that he could end his career on the Supreme Court. Secretary of State John Breckenridge is showing signs that he wishes to run for President in the future, maybe not this time around but sometime soon. Senator Francis Malbone has been gathering delegates to his side hoping that he will be nominated later this year. Senator Uriah Tracy, known to be ideologically stubborn, has been talking about running for President to keep the United States conservative. Era Evos: A new nation calling itself Chile which takes as its borders the old Incan Empire has declared itself independent from the crumbling Spanish Empire. We shall soon be the power in the Western Hemisphere. Simon Bolivar, "the Liberator of South America," has organized a congress of former Spanish colonies to adopt a uniform policy to deal with Spain. Foreign Policy hawks with influence abroad have compelled Bolivar to invite the United States to the congress. However, many political leaders see such a move as being too interventionist and a waste of federal spending to attend the Congress. After meeting with his cabinet, President Page has said he will send a delegation to Congress even though it will upset the slaveholders in Congress because he has a legacy to uphold. There are some in Congress who are angry at this and other Democratic-Republicans who pledge they will vote for a Federalist president in 1812. Hartford, Connecticut has opened up the first free school for the deaf. Perhaps in an effort to remake itself in the depression, Massachusetts has become the center of manufacturing in the US. The US Bank is up for recharter. However, after consideration President Page has decided that the bank is to blame for the depression and so he has ordered it closed letting the charter expire and killing the US Bank. Several prominent Virginians have founded a new liberal school of higher learning to compete with the more rigid and conservative William & Mary. Crisis: Country currently is in both an economic crisis and a domestic crisis. Leading Industries: Maryland and Vermont are both leading in the agriculture industry The center of finance in the nation still is New Jersey Massachusetts is the center of the maritime industry South Carolina continues to lead the plantation industry Successful Governor Actions: Governor Benjamin Pierce of New Hampshire has passed a law stating there is no limits to serve as Governor in his state. Governor John Robinson of Vermont is sending to the Supreme Court the recently passed law that bans naturalization for Native Americans born outside the US. Governor Charles Scott of Kentucky is sending to the court for review National Suffrage for White Male Property Owners Amendment. Governor John Brooks of Massachussts has passed a law of no limits for Governor. Governor John Davenport of Connecticut calls on Congress to create the state of Louisiana. Supreme Court Cases: 1) Martin v. Hunter’s Lessee: Does Article Three of the US Constitution grant the US Supreme Court Jurisdiction and authority over state courts on matters involving federal law? Yay: Elsworth, Iredell, Pickering, Parsons, Marshall, Taliaferro, Tichenor Nay: None! 7-0 Unanamonus Historical. 2) Review of Taylor-McDowell Naturalization Act which bans naturalization for native Americans born outside the US. Yay: Ellsworth, Marshall, Iredell, Taliaferro, Pickering, Tichenor, Parsons Nay: None Law is overturned! Can be proposed again if Congress wishes The 12th US Congress passes the following law: Edwards-Madison Act establishing the state of Louisiana and the territory of Missouri. Diplomacy: President John Page and Secretary of State John Breckenridge have met and sent the following orders to the US Diplomats. Minister to Great Britian James Winthrop extends credit to the government of George III and Prime Minister Spencer Perceval. However, the government of Perceval has fallen as Perceval has recently been assassinated. Minister to France Charles Pinckney extends credit to Emperor Napoleon I but Napoleon is outside the country when Pinckney goes to his palace, and no one knows exactly where he is. Minister to Spain Thomas Tudor Tucker extends credit to the government of Joseph Bonaparte but Bonaparte turns down the offer. Minister to Prussia Thomas Blount extends credit to the government of Emperor Frederick William III but Frederick William is not interested in the offer. Minister to Russia Arthur Fenner extends credit to the government of Tsar Alexander I which is accepted gladly. Executive Actions: President John Page signs the Edwards-Madison Act that establishes the state of Louisiana and the Territory of Missouri! President Page announces the following executive actions: 1) Reduce the number of overall Presidential Appointments 2) Speak out against the Freemasons 3) Issues the Page Doctrine stating that no European colonies will be established in the New World and that the US will remain neutral against any colony still in the New World but will be disposed to declare war against any nation trying to place a colony in the New World from here on out. 4) Declares a Pro-French trade and Foreign Policy in a speech No Supreme Court Justice retires. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1812 Federalist Convention: Waterbury, Connecticut-May 1812 Candidates: Major: John Jay, Senator Francis Malbone, Governor John Davenport Minor: Oliver Wolcott Jr. , John Quincy Adams, Chauncey Goodrich, John Marshall, Rufus King Nominees: Senator Uriah Tracy will introduce John Jay. Ex-President John Adams will introduce Senator Francis Malbone, Senator Roger Griswold will introduce Governor John Davenport. Results of Nomination Speeches: Senator Uriah Tracy makes an excellent appeal on why Jay would make an excellent president giving him momentum. Ex-President John Adams makes an ok speech but fails to move the hearts of the people. Senator Roger Griswold speech is so bad that people actually walk out of the convention! First Round Results: John Jay: 215 John Davenport: 136 John Marshall: 112 John Quincy Adams: 44 Rufus King: 43 Francis Malbone: 16 Oliver Wolcott Jr: 13 Chauncy Goodrich: 13 -John Jay offers post of Attorney General to Rufus King if he drops out. King refuses to do so. -Chauncy Goodrich offers to drop out if Jay agrees to make him VP. Jay accepts this offer and Goodrich drops out. -John Davenport offers VP post to John Q. Adams if Adams drops out of race. Adams agrees to this request. -John Marshall appeals for integrity against Francis Malbone but few pay attention to the speech. -Francis Malbone attempts to whip the party into compliance but few listen Second Round Results: John Jay: 303 John Marshall: 161 John Davenport: 86 Rufus King: 46 Oliver Wolcott Jr: 23 Francis Malbone: 13 -Francis Malbone requests a change to unit rule. This does not pass -John Marshall again appeals for integrity and again few pay attention to the speech Third Round Results: Same no movement -Francis Malbone offers to drop out if someone from his faction is offered a cabinet post by Jay. This is accepted. Fouth Round Results: John Jay: 330 John Marshall: 158 John Davenport: 75 Oliver Wolcott Jr: 23 Rufus King: 3 Jay has 56% of the vote and wins the nomination! VP Decision: Jay keeps his promise to make Chauncy Goodrich his running mate Platform: Domestic: Establish National Newspaper Foreign/Military: Increase size of the army Economic: Establish Bank of the United States Judicial: Abolish Debtor’s Prisons President Executive Actions: Pro-British Trade and Foreign Policy Keynote Speaker: Senator Francis Malbone but his speech is pretty awful, and he begins to stutter. Many people at the convention start rethinking supporting the ticket! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Democratic-Republican Convention Charlottesville, Virginia September 1812: Major: Minister to Russia Arthur Fenner, Ex-President George Clinton, Representative Gunning Bedford Jr, Governor Charles Scott Minor: Daniel Heister II, Senator John Hathorn, Secretary of State John Breckenridge, Peter Gansevoort Favorite Son: Albert Gallatin Nominees: Senate President James Madison will introduce Minister to Russia Arthur Fenner Henry Clay will introduce Ex-President George Clinton John C. Calhoun will introduce Representative Gunning Bedford Jr Representative Thomas Jefferson will introduce Governor Charles Scott Nomination Results: 1) James Madison gives a decent speech but perhaps because few can see him above the podium he fails to move many. 2) The speech by Henry Clay to give a reason why Ex-President George Clinton deserved another chance wows many as it seems Clinton will go into the 1st round with some momentum. 3) John C. Calhoun gives a speech which angers many as he says the reason the country is in a recession is because the north is mostly giving up slavery. 4) Thomas Jefferson gives an impassioned speech on why Governor Scott will make a great President and many hearts are turned to him as he goes into the 1st round with momentum. First Round Results: John Breckenridge: 165 George Clinton: 146 Gunning Bedford Jr: 132 Arthur Fenner: 111 Charles Scott: 32 Daniel Heister II: 23 John Hathorn: 15 Peter Gansevoort: 15 -Peter Gansevoort is dropping out and endorsing John Breckenridge. Second Round Results: John Breckenridge: 233 George Clinton: 169 Gunning Bedford Jr: 62 Daniel Heister II: 61 Arthur Fenner: 51 Charles Scott: 45 John Hathorn: 43 -John Hathorn is dropping out and endorsing Daniel Heister II. Third Round Results: John Breckenridge: 257 George Clinton: 169 Gunning Bedford Jr: 73 Arthur Fenner: 51 Daniel Heister II: 51 Charles Scott: 45 -Charles Scott offers to drop out and endorse Breckenridge if he is given a cabinet position. Breckenridge agrees to this request. -George Clinton, Gunning Bedford Jr, and Arthur Fenner make speeches that are successful winning some people to their side. Fourth Round Results: John Breckenridge: 302 George Clinton: 169 Gunning Bedford Jr: 73 Arthur Fenner: 51 Daniel Heister II: 51 -John Breckenridge approaches Gunning Bedford Jr and offers him the VP slot if he drops out. Bedford accepts this offer. 5th round results: John Breckenridge: 328 George Clinton: 203 Arthur Fenner: 51 Daniel Heister II: 51 Breckenridge has reached the threshold of more than 50% and he is the nominee! VP Decision: Breckenridge keeps his promise to make Gunning Beford Jr his running mate Platform: Domestic: Complain about the weakness of Congress to create new policy for the people Foreign/Military: Increase the size of the army Economic: Abolish Federal Exercise Tax Amendment Judicial: Restrict Residency to those of Good Moral Character President Executive Actions: Pro-British Trade and Foreign policy rhetoric Keynote Speaker: Representative Meshack Franklin and just like the Federalist convention the speech is awful, and he drools and stutters all over the place. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Presidential Campaign 1812: September: Fed VP Nominee Chauncey Goodrich makes a speech in Boston, Massachusetts. However, the speech does not move many people. DR VP Gunning Bedford Jr goes to Manchester, New Hampshire to make a speech. The speech does not move anyone either. No scandal breaks out on either candidate. VP Nominee Chauncey Goodrich also spends extra time in New England. He manages to get enthusiasm throughout New England for the ticket. VP Nominee Gunning Bedford Jr also spends extra time in New England. His anger in public causes some to consider voting for Jay this time around. October: Fed VP Nominee Chauncey Goodrich visits Montpelier, Vermont to make a speech. Many people do not bother to even come to the speech which is made in an empty hall for the most part. DR VP Gunning Bedford Jr goes to Charleston, South Carolina for a speech. He manages to move party preference back to neutral. Again, there is no scandal on either party. VP Nominee Chauncey Goodrich goes back to his home state. While he excites people in Connecticut there is no more enthusiasm for the ticket in New England. VP Nominee Gunning Bedford Jr to spend extra time in New England. Again, his anger moves party preference toward the Federalists but still in the neutral zone. Presidential Election: John Breckenridge pulls out an election upset 116-109 getting just the exact amount he needed! FED: CT, DE, MA, NH, NJ, NY, PA, RI, VT DR: GA, KY, LA. MD, NC, OH, SC, TN. VA Governor Election Results: The Federalists and the Democratic Republicans have tied in control of the state houses 9 to 9. There is not one region that is truly controlled by one side or the other. Representative Elections Results: The Democratic Republicans still control the house by 132 votes to 66 for the Federalists. Senate Appointment Results: The Democratic Republicans still control the Senate 25 seats to 11 for the Federalists. Retirement: John Page is retiring to allow a new generation to enter politics Thomas Jefferson will retire in 1814 as he says he is being pressured out of politics Chauncey Goodrich is retiring to become president of Yale Peter Van Gaasbeck is retiring for family reasons Hugh Glasgow is retiring satisfied with the work he has done and wanting to consider other occupations. John Taylor is retiring satisfied with the work he has done and wanting to concentrate on his law career. William Eustis is retiring to establish a hospital in his hometown that is dedicated to naval personal. William Moore is retiring to become a lobbyist for LW Media

Extra Extra read all about it! John Breckenridge pulls out an election upset 116-109 getting just the exact amount he needed! John Jay has review done but no states are overturned.

Thanks Ark. So to put this together at this point we have (I will keep this short) Presidents: 1) William Moultrie: Born 1730, General 1774-1778, Senior General 1778-1784, Governor of South Carolina 1784-1788, elected President 1788, died of plague 1791. 2) John Adams: Born 1735, Continental Congress 1774-1778, Governor of Massachusetts 1782-1786, elected VP 1788, succeeded to Presidency 1791, elected to own term 1792, did not run 1796, retired from politics 1797, came back to be key advisor 1802-1804, retired again 1804 3) Richard Henry Lee: Born 1732, elected Continental Congress 1774-1776, Governor of Virginia 1786-1788, House of Representatives for VA-1 (1788-1796), House Domestic Chair (1788-1790), Speaker of the House (1790-1796), elected President 1796, did not run 1800, elected to House of Representatives for VA-5 (1800-1803), Speaker of the House (1800-1803), retired from politics and died 1807. 4) George Clinton: Born 1739, Governor of New York (1778-1782, 1788-1790), US Senator from New York (1790-1796), elected VP 1796, elected President 1800, forced to resign 1801. 5) Benjamin Ogle: Born 1749, elected VP 1800, succeeded to Presidency 1801, elected President 1804, did not run 1808 and retired later that year. 6) John Page: Born 1743, elected to House of Representatives for VA-3 (1788-1802), Governor of Virginia (1804-1806), House Judicial Chair (1800-1802), elected to House of Representatives for VA-1 (1806-1808), Speaker of the House (1806-1808), elected President 1808, did not run in 1812 and retired that same year. 7) John Breckenridge: Born in Virginia Colony in 1760, his father died in 1772 leaving him with a small plantation to run. Given a private education as well as attending Augusta Academy and William & Mary. Elected to the House of Delegates in 1781 serving until 1785 when he became a lawyer. Married in 1785 and fathered 9 children, 8 of whom lived through childhood. Moved to Kentucky in 1790 and was elected Kentucky Attorney General in 1793. He was appointed and confirmed Secretary of State in 1808 and served until 1812. Elected President in 1812. VP: 1) John Adams (see above) 2) James Armstrong: Born 1728, elected VP 1792, did not run and retired 1796, died 1800 3) George Clinton (see above) 4) Benjamin Ogle (see above) 5) John Jay: Born 1745, Governor of New York (1784-1788), House of Representatives for NY-1( 1788), Secretary of State (1788-1792), Governor of New York (1792-1794, 1796-1798), Minister to France (1800-1804), ran for President in 1804, elected VP 1804-1808, ran for President in 1808 and again in 1812 but lost both times. 6) Aaron Burr: Born 1756 in New Jersey he graduated from Princeton in 1772! He joined the Continental Army in 1775 and served until 1779. He married in 1782 and then served in legislative career track for New York until 1802, ran for President 1808, elected VP 1808 and choose not to run for President in 1812. 7) Gunning Bedford Jr: Born in Philadelphia in 1747 he graduated from Princeton in 1771. Married in 1772 and had 5 children none of whom outlived him. He served in the Continental Army from 1775 to 1781. Elected to the House of Representatives from Massachusetts in 1792 he found himself for 1 term House Foreign/Military Chair from 1792-1794. He continued to serve in the House until 1800 and again was elected to the House in 1810. He was elected VP in 1812.

So in reviewing rules for President Gen Election I saw this and was wondering is it new or did it exist all the time and I just never read over that far: Give a Speech: If in the primary era (at least one state has a primary), the presidential nominee is allowed to give a speech. Otherwise, the speech must come from the VP or faction leader (if the latter is not the nominee). The point I am looking at is the underlined portion

Its well something. Should have got to this place about a year ago I think and we should have full game by now. Frankly I am more enjoying the sheets and my playtest but I know I am minority there!

Ok then it needs to be changed on Lewis and Clark as that cannot happen when it did as both are from Missouri, even though OTL Lewis was from VA and Clark from KY the game has them both from MO. Pointing this out for fixing @vcczar

so yes do not draft or no do draft? Because if former we cannot have a Lewis and Clark Mission until Missouri becomes a state which could take a while UNLESS you are allowed to random assign two others.

Can someone please answer the question above?

@Arkansas Progressive and @OrangeP47 I decided that since it was not that hard to go backwards that I retroactively ignored that the Supreme Court did not take up the 13th Amendment (in my game) and that the amendment was NOT reviewed and overturned.