Part 18: 100 Most Influential Ranking

[vcczar]

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Here's the next part of the 100 most influential rankings. 

Rules:

- Please keep discussion on topic. 

- No trolling. 

- No complaining, although constructive criticism is okay. 

- No personal attacks.

- No commenting without voting. 

John Dewey	One of the lead figures in Functional Psychology, an advocate for greater Democracy, education, and civil society. Helped push public opinion as a factor in governance.
John F Kennedy	Pop culture figure who, as president, created the Apollo Program that put a man on the moon, and advocated the New Frontier that became LBJ's Great Society; amped up US aggression towards Communist Countries, laying the groundwork for the next stages of the Cold War
John Locke	the father of liberalism. He may be the key philosopher in influencing the American Revolution, including the language of the Declaration of Independence.
John Marshall	Most influential Chief Justice of the United States; elevated the 3rd branch of government as a co-equal branch
John Maynard Keynes	Influential economist who formed the basis of Keynesian Economics, the most common economic thought worldwide today. The key concept being that the idea that a government should spend money that they don't have to save capitalism with consistent economic activity.
John Milton	First successful, lasting creation of a literary anti-hero (Satan) as a central character. Influence future literature that used flawed, non-heroic protagonists.
John the Baptist	Jewish itinerant teacher and forerunner to Jesus. According to Biblical tradition, baptized Jesus,
John Wilkes Booth	Assassinated Abraham Lincoln, solidifying the mystique of Lincoln and altering Reconstruction from lenient to strict.
John-Shepherd Barron	Invented the ATM cash machine
Jonas Salk	His polio vaccine more or less eradicated one of the most frightening epidemics in the world.

[OrangeP47]

For an obvious reason that begins with J and has four letters, I'm gonna say this is a great list 🤣

[vcczar]

Just moving this one back up so #13 isn't on top. 

[DakotaHale]

Also meant to vote for Keynes

[OrangeP47]

1 hour ago, Patine said:

Ironically, despite being the most common male given name across English-speaking history, John is one of only four (arguably, but not, officially, six) English/British/UK Monarchs with no regnal number post Norman Conquest because only one had the name (it seemed Robin Hood and Ivanhoe gave him a very unfairly bad rep, and gave a much better rep to his older brother, Richard, who apparently had some repugnant character traits). I'll do this poll after supper.

Yeah, but there's like 20 Pope Johns, haha.

[vcczar]

I'm really curious how this ranking will differ from the 270Soft ranking from about 2 or 3 years ago. 

[OrangeP47]

36 minutes ago, Patine said:

Well, sort of. No Pope, to date, has ever hailed from an English-speaking country (and my comment was on John being the most historically-common name in the English language, and only one English/British/UK Monarch having it). Technically, those 20 or so Popes would be Johannes, the Latin version of the name. Just like there were Monarchs named Jean, Johann, Juan, Joao, Ivan, Ioannes, Yohannes, etc. But, I was specifically speaking of the irony of the name John in an English-language context.

Fair, but as an avid CK player I accept all regional forms in my quest to get the regnal number as high as possible.  Personally Ioannes is my favorite form.

Though on topic, I feel as if this list hasn't had many popes so far.

[SilentLiberty]

55 minutes ago, OrangeP47 said:

Fair, but as an avid CK player I accept all regional forms in my quest to get the regnal number as high as possible.  Personally Ioannes is my favorite form.

Though on topic, I feel as if this list hasn't had many popes so far.

I've vote for John Paul II, maybe throw Pope Francis a vote too

[OrangeP47]

19 minutes ago, Patine said:

The most influential Popes in history tended to be the old ones.

Ironically one could even make the argument John Paul I was more important than II even though he was very short reigned, because he started the plans that II finished.

[Timur]

4 hours ago, Patine said:

Well, sort of. No Pope, to date, has ever hailed from an English-speaking country (and my comment was on John being the most historically-common name in the English language, and only one English/British/UK Monarch having it). Technically, those 20 or so Popes would be Johannes, the Latin version of the name. Just like there were Monarchs named Jean, Johann, Juan, Joao, Ivan, Ioannes, Yohannes, etc. But, I was specifically speaking of the irony of the name John in an English-language context.

Speaking of the Pope, some pope might fit in this list. They were very influential.

 

[Timur]

1 hour ago, Patine said:

Basically, Leo I, Leo III, Urban II, Innocent III, Clement IV, Alexander VI, Leo X, and Pius XII could easily be seen as among a tiny short list with only a few others joining them as the most influential Popes, even though many of their achievements are viewed in a negative light by many today.

How about Gregory VII or Nicholas I?

Edited May 27, 2022 by Timur

[OrangeP47]

7 hours ago, Patine said:

But, what I mean is, the most influential Popes were among the Late Antiquity, Medieval, Renaissance, and Early Modern Ones. John XXIII was the most influential one in modern times, it could be easily argued.

Oh I was agreeing, I'm just saying JP2 isn't as big a deal over the whole span of time as some people think.

[vcczar]

1 more vote, ideally. If not, I'll do the next post in an hour or two or three.