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I made @ebrk85 changes (thanks for the heads up), it should be correct now. House Foreign: Robert D Orr Chair Donald Riegle Virginia Foxx John P East David T Martin Steve Vaillancourt Raymond Donovan Chic Hecht Reverend Ammons Ted Poe Harry P Cain Barbara Cubin Paula Hawkins Chuck Grassley Phil Crane Albert Morano David McKinley Thruston B Morton Mike Hayden R Lawrence Coughlin -20 House Judicial: Pete Domenici- chair ark Daniel Dearborne Michael Huffington Machida Mateo Bill McCollum Greg Ganske Marlow Cook James Holshouser Hugh Scott John Kennedy Robert P Griffin Andre Marrou Jeremiah Denton Jack Edwards Billy Gonzalez Amo Houghton Robert Taft Jr Richard Schweiker John Heinz -19 House Economic: John Warner-chair will Ken Kramer Don Gaetz Cliff Stearns Bob Livingston William Milliken John Kline Roy Blunt Thad Cochran John E Davis Don Nickles Bill Brock Tom DeLay Dan Patrick Wallace Bennett Jim Gilmore Andrew P Miller Glenn Robert Davis Don Sundquist -19 House Domestic: Harold W Handley- Chair John Boozman Paul Fannin Houston Flournoy David Perdue Saxby Chambliss Larry Craig Edward F Arn Lawrence Hogan David Stockman Phyllis Schlafly Donald Nutter James Traficant Carroll Campbell Jr Bill Thomas John W Byrnes Joe Wilson Joe Foss Richard W Mallary Pete McCloskey -20

Thanks- keep Archer in economic and move Charles Percy to Judicial and then we should be good !

@ebrk85 let me know if you need me to repost the House appointments, I've just replaced Knowland but everything is unchanged beyond that from the earlier post. I just posted the Senate. Let me know if changes need to be made. Thanks!

Senate Judicial: Arthur Laffer- Chair Robert J Bentley James D Martin John Paul Hammerschmidt Wayne Allard Horace Seely-Brown William V Roth Jr Edward J Gurney Irish Blitch David Stanley Dave Treen Conrad Burns Burnet Maybank Jr Arthur Ravenel Jr Bill Archer -15 Senate Foreign Bud Shuster- Chair Charles Percy Jack Miller Keith Sebelius Jacob Baker Ron Lewis Tom Coleman Oliver Lewis Joseph H Ball James Colgate Cleveland Warren Rudman Edwin Mechem Slade Gorton Wallace P Carson Jr James Abdnor Fred Thompson -16 Senate Economic: Charles Vanik Chair Bob Bennett Melvin Laird Eddie Vaughn Rush Holt Sr John S Wold Frank Keating Dewey Bartlett William Scranton Mills Godwin Dick Poff Clifford P Hansen Howard Pollock Orrin Hatch Bill Archer -15 Senate Domestic: Henry Hyde Chair Bo Callaway Phil Batt Jim McClure Otis Bowen Roger Zion Hal Rogers Mike Foster Maynard Dolloff Guy Vander Jagt Thomas B Curtis James Broyhill Charles Thone Joe Skeen Paul Laxalt Doc Hastings -16

Keep President Silas Wood

Same

I am not running anyone for House Minority Leader or Whip btw

Below is what I have for the House- I'll just have to take out of committee whomever becomes Majority Leader in the House but this gives anyone who wants to double check my work a chance to. I am busy most of the weekend but I'll try to fit in the Senate when I get a chance. House Foreign: Robert D Orr Chair Donald Riegle Virginia Foxx John P East David T Martin Steve Vaillancourt Raymond Donovan Chic Hecht Reverend Ammons Ted Poe Harry P Cain Barbara Cubin Paula Hawkins Chuck Grassley Phil Crane Albert Morano David McKinley Thruston B Morton Mike Hayden R Lawrence Coughlin -19 House Judicial: Pete Domenici- chair ark Daniel Dearborne Michael Huffington Machida Mateo Bill McCollum Greg Ganske Marlow Cook James Holshouser Hugh Scott John Kennedy Robert P Griffin Andre Marrou Jeremiah Denton Jack Edwards Billy Gonzalez Amo Houghton Robert Taft Jr Richard Schweiker John Heinz -19 House Economic: John Warner-chair will Ken Kramer Don Gaetz Cliff Stearns Bob Livingston William Milliken John Kline Roy Blunt Thad Cochran John E Davis Don Nickles Bill Brock Tom DeLay Dan Patrick Wallace Bennett Jim Gilmore Andrew P Miller Glenn Robert Davis Don Sundquist -19 House Domestic: Harold W Handley- Chair John Boozman Paul Fannin Houston Flournoy David Perdue Saxby Chambliss Larry Craig Edward F Arn Lawrence Hogan David Stockman Phyllis Schlafly Donald Nutter James Traficant Carroll Campbell Jr Bill Thomas John W Byrnes Joe Wilson Joe Foss Richard W Mallary Pete McCloskey -20

Losing RW media stings

Thanks @ebrk85, Jane Dee Hull is who I meant- I'll pass on kingmaker pairings then this turn

Launch takes in my Arizona charisma pol( I’ll look tomorrow morning for her name)

I’ll just pass

From Entrecampos CPU faction- Sonny Perdue (rules for party flipping says they only have to be marked party flipping) which he is

Gotcha- John C Spencer, pliable mod from Euri

Mike Huckabee from ark to fl (2nd state) Lew Lehrman from NY to WY (over to under)

Francis Granger for flipping

Only if it's one of the Red Factions , haha

Got it, didn’t realize others have made this point and that it’s been discussed before!

I am not complaining- I just want the game to come out. I am just point it out- everyone can do with it what they want. I am ok with built in short cuts for players- it makes the game more playable. I am just pointing it out.

Except, it isn't really a penalty, it's just as likely to be used as a bonus If one member (but not both) on the ticket is marked “independent” or is currently not holding office (excluding military), then +1 because voters like an outsider. In both of my elections, I pared an unemployed, inexperienced main candidate with someone serving either in Congress or Gov to get the point you're referring to. I want the game made as much as anyone but there's a penalty for being from a small state (in the primary), seems like there should be an inexperienced penalty at some point in the process too but I guess I agree with Jimmy, it's not a big deal, just something I am pointing out. I agree with Jimmy too on player agency but I just thought it was worth pointing out

Yeah, I mean, I don't care too much, I've used it to my advantage others will to. I know we're really just in the, get the game playable mindset which I totally agree with. I am just pointing out, it's super ahistorical and yet super easy in the game to get someone elected President without any experience what so ever. But I guess that falls under the category if, if people want to manipulate the rules of the game, so be it, if it isn't this, it'll be something else.

Small thing but I've definitely noticed it in a few playtests (both 1800 and 1948). I've joked that I've gotten good at turning people with no jobs or experience into playtest Presidents. Both our current 1800 President Silas Wood and our 1948 President Canadian-American Stan Stephens never had any official government job (elected or appointed) before becoming elected President. Looking over American history, that's exceptionally rare. Correct me if I am wrong, but our most recent former President is the only person in American history elected President who wasn't previously either elected to a high profile government position (VP, Sen, Rep, Gov) or at the very least served in a high profile appointed position (Sec of State, high level General, etc). You can say "well they still need to get command first" but honestly, that isn't too hard. Get someone on state gov career track, wait 20 years, they get charisma and then they have a great shot at becoming Party Leader and getting command. What I am getting at is- should there be a penalty for running someone for President who hasn't served in either an elected position in the game or a high level appointment in the game (military or cabinet)? It seems like it would make elections more realistic. Just a thought.

Removals: Private- Not sure what's going on here, there's two names at 20 George Ryan/Donald Rumsfeld State Gov: Jane Dee Hull Leg: Don Young Admin: Again, two names here (these happened before I took over this faction) Jack Kemp/Gerald W VandeWalle and 16 year James G Watt Backroom: Jim Inhofe - I'll enter mine independently

Washington Irving moves from NY to MS Washington Irving goes from Lib to Mod (leader's ideology) Jacob Collamer moves from VT to second state of SC Peter Rawson Taft moves from VT to second state of OH Rufus Choate moves from MA to IL (over to under)

If you make Dr. King President I’d like to think I deserve some of the credit, lol