OrangeP47 Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, Arkansas Progressive said: Oh God, federal literacy tests. SCOTUS ruled poll taxes unconstitutional awhile back though literally the instant the South started that shit though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkansas Progressive Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 1 minute ago, OrangeP47 said: SCOTUS ruled poll taxes unconstitutional awhile back though literally the instant the South started that shit though. Poll taxes aren't the same as literacy tests? Not unless they were both considered in the same question. In any case, if literacy tests were rendered unconstutional, then the bill should be disabled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 Just now, Arkansas Progressive said: Poll taxes aren't the same as literacy tests? Not unless they were both considered in the same question. In any case, if literacy tests were rendered unconstutional, then the bill should be disabled. They aren't. I'm just saying Congress and the Govs regularly get slapped down by the Exec and our oddly liberal SCOTUS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkansas Progressive Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 4 minutes ago, OrangeP47 said: They aren't. I'm just saying Congress and the Govs regularly get slapped down by the Exec and our oddly liberal SCOTUS. oh... that's not what I got from that but nice, very nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, Arkansas Progressive said: oh... that's not what I got from that but nice, very nice Yeah, my point was Congress is, as is tradition, a bag of dicks, but we've basically got the Warren Court in the 1870s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebrk85 Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 (edited) Meanwhile in 1800, Chief Justice Marshall voted to knee-cap Congress. Legislation can no longer override existing state laws. Only an amendment can do that now. Edited May 19, 2023 by ebrk85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkansas Progressive Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 Just now, ebrk85 said: Meanwhile in 1800, Chief Justice Marshall voted to knee-cap Congress. Legislation can no longer override existing state laws. Only an amendment can do that now. NANI!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 4 minutes ago, ebrk85 said: Meanwhile in 1800, Chief Justice Marshall voted to knee-cap Congress. Legislation can no longer override existing state laws. Only an amendment can do that now. Has anyone checked the progress of John C Calhoun's time travel research, and has he bought any wigs lately? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euri Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 4 minutes ago, ebrk85 said: Meanwhile in 1800, Chief Justice Marshall voted to knee-cap Congress. Legislation can no longer override existing state laws. Only an amendment can do that now. I actually really appreciate this, because it completely negates one area of political controversy in the eventual modern day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Euri said: I actually really appreciate this, because it completely negates one area of political controversy in the eventual modern day Yeah if you just ignore the fact that it's insane. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theFreezerFlame Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 Imagine if that wasn't the case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euri Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 Just now, OrangeP47 said: Yeah if you just ignore the fact that it's insane. Yes, yes I am doing that 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewyoung123 Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 11 hours ago, Ich_bin_Tyler said: @matthewyoung123 how do you vote on the following returning proposals? Military Package Replace our Wooden, Sail-driven fleet with a modernized steel navy AYE North Dakota Statehood AYE South Dakota Statehood AYE Idaho Statehood AYE Wyoming Statehood AYE Temporarily Nationalize the Railroad Industry during Wartime AYE Stamp Tax (excise) NAY Increase Defense Spending AYE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ich_bin_Tyler Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 (edited) House Vote Stamp Tax (excise) fails 111-186 ❌ Increase Defense Spending passes 208-89 ✔️ Military Package passes 199-98 ✔️ Replace our Wooden, Sail-driven fleet with a modernized steel navy North Dakota Statehood South Dakota Statehood Idaho Statehood Wyoming Statehood Temporarily Nationalize the Railroad Industry during Wartime Open Indian Territory up to White Settlement passes 222-75 ✔️ Set average tariff rate to 42% and a peacetime income tax of 2% on highest incomes passes 176-121 ✔️ Make permanent and enforce the law that the president must ask Congress's approval to go to war fails 96-201 ❌ Domestic Package passes 297-0 ✔️ Civil War Admiral Square Create Memorial Day as a Federal Holiday Grant Liberia Independence Provide a land grant for those willing to move West and irrigate desert land passes 297-0 ✔️ Judicial Package passes 182-115 ✔️ Revoke Naturalization of Chinese-Americans Ban Homosexuals from Immigration Great Senator Memorial passes 297-0 ✔️ US dollar as the nation's currency using gold and silver bullion, the latter to incur some inflation to aid in debt repayment passes 249-48 ✔️ Forbid Federal Troops at Polling Stations passes 159-138 ✔️ Make US Flag Desecration Illegal passes 182-115 ✔️ Ban Criminals from Immigrating passes 242-55 ✔️ Establish Literacy Test for Voting fails 136-161 ❌ Edited May 19, 2023 by Ich_bin_Tyler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ich_bin_Tyler Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 Senate Vote Infamous user of the filibuster Sen David Levy Yulee of FL (Trad Dem) filibusters the Military Package (it will not be voted on for the second time). This continues to prevent 4 potential states that benefit Whigs from entering the Union. Sen John Tyler Morgan of AL (Trad Dem) filibusters Increase Defense Spending (t will not be voted on for the second time). Open Indian Territory up to White Settlement passes 72-14✔️ Set average tariff rate to 42% and a peacetime income tax of 2% on highest incomes passes 61-25✔️ Domestic Package passes 86-0 ✔️ Civil War Admiral Square Create Memorial Day as a Federal Holiday Grant Liberia Independence Provide a land grant for those willing to move West and irrigate desert land passes 86-0 ✔️ Judicial Package passes 47-39✔️ Revoke Naturalization of Chinese-Americans Ban Homosexuals from Immigration Great Senator Memorial passes 86-0 ✔️ US dollar as the nation's currency using gold and silver bullion, the latter to incur some inflation to aid in debt repayment passes 74-12✔️ Forbid Federal Troops at Polling Stations fails 41-45 ❌ Make US Flag Desecration Illegal passes 58-28✔️ Ban Criminals from Immigrating passes 81-5✔️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ich_bin_Tyler Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 President's Desk Pres Howell Cobb is a Puritan (first for this playtest) so his decisions could be controversial. Pres Cobb signs the following: Open Indian Territory up to White Settlement Domestic Package Civil War Admiral Square Create Memorial Day as a Federal Holiday Grant Liberia Independence Provide a land grant for those willing to move West and irrigate desert land Judicial Package Revoke Naturalization of Chinese-Americans Ban Homosexuals from Immigration Great Senator Memorial Make US Flag Desecration Illegal Ban Criminals from Immigrating Pres Cobb vetoes the following: Set average tariff rate to 42% and a peacetime income tax of 2% on highest incomes US dollar as the nation's currency using gold and silver bullion, the latter to incur some inflation to aid in debt repayment @matthewyoung123 for the veto overrides, do you wish to change your votes on the above two? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murrman104 Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 whos the great Senator getting a memorial ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ich_bin_Tyler Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Murrman104 said: whos the great Senator getting a memorial ? John C Calhoun 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewyoung123 Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 32 minutes ago, Ich_bin_Tyler said: President's Desk Pres Howell Cobb is a Puritan (first for this playtest) so his decisions could be controversial. Pres Cobb signs the following: Open Indian Territory up to White Settlement Domestic Package Civil War Admiral Square Create Memorial Day as a Federal Holiday Grant Liberia Independence Provide a land grant for those willing to move West and irrigate desert land Judicial Package Revoke Naturalization of Chinese-Americans Ban Homosexuals from Immigration Great Senator Memorial Make US Flag Desecration Illegal Ban Criminals from Immigrating Pres Cobb vetoes the following: Set average tariff rate to 42% and a peacetime income tax of 2% on highest incomes US dollar as the nation's currency using gold and silver bullion, the latter to incur some inflation to aid in debt repayment @matthewyoung123 for the veto overrides, do you wish to change your votes on the above two? We will not attempt to override the vetos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ich_bin_Tyler Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 Veto Overrides House Set average tariff rate to 42% and a peacetime income tax of 2% on highest incomes fails 136-161 (45.8%) ❌ US dollar as the nation's currency using gold and silver bullion, the latter to incur some inflation to aid in debt repayment fails 167-130 (56.2%) ❌ Both vetoes are sustained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ich_bin_Tyler Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 (edited) Points from Legislation Traditionalist Democrats +2550 Bourbon Democrats +2950 Conservative Democrats +3850 Most points dominant party: Cons +1 Blue Moderate Democrats +450 Liberal Republicans +300 Least points dominant party: Mods -1 Blue Conservative Whigs +1950 Free Trade Whigs +2800 Moderate Whigs +3050 Most points opposition party: Mods +1 Blue Stalwart Whigs +450 Silver Whigs -2150 Least points opposition party: LW Pop, Prog, Lib -2 Blue Net Changes Cons +1 Blue (now Blue +2) Libs -2 Blue (already maxed Blue +3) Progs -2 Blue (now Neutral) LW Pops -2 Blue (now Lean Blue) Edited May 19, 2023 by Ich_bin_Tyler 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ich_bin_Tyler Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 Impact of Legislation Ban Non-Christian Immigration Failing in committee: Trad +1 Blue Make permanent and enforce the law that the president must ask Congress's approval to go to war Failing on floor: Party Pref -1 Blue Provide a land grant for those willing to move West and irrigate desert land CA +2 EVs in the next census @OrangeP47 Revenue/Budget +1 Great Senator Memorial Revenue/Budget -1 Net Changes Trads +1 Blue (now Blue +2) Party Pref -1 Blue (now Red +1) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euri Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Murrman104 said: whos the great Senator getting a memorial ? Francis Granger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ich_bin_Tyler Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Euri said: Francis Granger They'll just rename San Francisco in his honor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ich_bin_Tyler Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 Foreign Relations @OrangeP47 please select the Ambassador moves. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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