OrangeP47 Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 10 minutes ago, Ich_bin_Tyler said: I would have to agree that these cabinet picks are very much the backbenchers of the party. The only one with any kind of exposure to the party apparatus in this timeline is J Wright Gordon who was an inoffensive Gov of Michigan. Seems like the philosophy of Granger is to pick nobodies so that there isn’t anything to criticize. TBH considering the several consecutive convention absolute madhouses, narratively, it would probably be at least worth a shot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ich_bin_Tyler Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 (edited) Granger will name: Thomas T Crittenden, son of fmr AG John Crittenden, for Treasury (Wall St Whigs) Crittenden is approved 9-7. Current Sec of Navy George Bancroft (Pop Sov Dems). @matthewyoung123 do you accept? He would be automatically confirmed as a retained officer. Edited December 6, 2022 by Ich_bin_Tyler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewyoung123 Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 8 hours ago, Ich_bin_Tyler said: Granger will name: Thomas T Crittenden, son of fmr AG John Crittenden, for Treasury (Wall St Whigs) Crittenden is approved 9-7. Current Sec of Navy George Bancroft (Pop Sov Dems). @matthewyoung123 do you accept? He would be automatically confirmed as a retained officer. We accept that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ich_bin_Tyler Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 (edited) Cabinet Confirmation Votes Attorney General John A Bingham is confirmed 57-15 ✔️ State Sen Henry B Anthony is confirmed 58-13 ✔️ Treasury Thomas T Crittenden is not confirmed 24-48 ❌ War William A Graham is not confirmed 17-55 ❌ Interior Simeon B Chittenden is confirmed 55-17 ✔️ PM Gen Percy Walker is not confirmed 5-67 ❌ Ambassador to UK Frederick Low is not confirmed 15-57 ❌ Ambassador to Japan Ralph Metcalf is not confirmed 23-49 ❌ Ambassador to France Edgar Cowan is not confirmed 25-47 ❌ Ambassador to China J Wright Gordon is confirmed 48-24 ✔️ Pres Granger takes his first hits from a Whig controlled Senate as they fail to confirm the men that they deem not skilled (Admin 1). For these failures to confirm, Whigs lose 3 Party Pref as the blow back falls upon the president. Senators that voted no on Low, Metcalf, and Cowan gain Integrity for not allowing such untalented men represent American values abroad. Low, Matcalf, and Cowan gain Controversial. Pres Pro Temp Clark will name 5 replacement options for the 6 failed nominees. Pres Granger will pick one of them from each to take the office. Edited December 6, 2022 by Ich_bin_Tyler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewyoung123 Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 9 minutes ago, Ich_bin_Tyler said: Cabinet Confirmation Votes Attorney General John A Bingham is confirmed 57-15 ✔️ State Sen Henry B Anthony is confirmed 58-13 ✔️ Treasury Thomas T Crittenden is not confirmed 24-48 ❌ War William A Graham is not confirmed 17-55 ❌ Interior Simeon B Chittenden is confirmed 55-17 ✔️ PM Gen Percy Walker is not confirmed 5-67 ❌ Ambassador to UK Frederick Low is not confirmed 15-57 ❌ Ambassador to Japan Ralph Metcalf is not confirmed 23-49 ❌ Ambassador to France Edgar Cowan is not confirmed 25-47 ❌ Ambassador to China J Wright Gordon is confirmed 48-24 ✔️ Pres Granger takes his first hits from a Whig controlled Senate as they fail to confirm the men that they deem not skilled (Admin 1). For these failures to confirm, Whigs lose 3 Party Pref as the blow back falls upon the president. Senators that voted no on Low, Metcalf, and Cowan gain Integrity for not allowing such untalented men represent American values abroad. Low, Matcalf, and Cowan gain Controversial. Pres Pro Temp Clark will name 5 replacement options for the 6 failed nominees. Pres Granger will pick one of them from each to take the office. Whigs doing Whig things... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ich_bin_Tyler Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Whig Cabinet Replacements Pres Pro Temp Daniel Clark proposed 5 options for each office and Pres Granger selected one. Treasury- Sec of Treasury James Pollock War- Fmr Sec of War Edwin M Stanton (Dem) PM Gen- George R Robbins Ambassador to UK- James Wilson Ambassador to Japan- Sen Elihu B Washburne Ambassador to France- James T Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ich_bin_Tyler Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) Cabinet Gains from Appointment Amb J Wright Gordon Admin +1 Amb Alexander Ramsey Admin +1 Amb James Wilson Admin +1 Sec of State Henry B Anthony loses Obscure Other Impacts 34/50, Domestic Stability would decrease by 1 for all regions not included in the Cabinet but already at lowest. Edited December 7, 2022 by Ich_bin_Tyler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ich_bin_Tyler Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Enthusiasm Changes from Cabinet Civil Rights Libs +2, Progs and Mods +1 Reformists Mods +1 Theocrats Mods -1 RW Activists Cons -1 Big Agriculture Cons +1 Big Corporations Mods +1 Big Oil & Gas Cons -1, Mods +1 Globalists Cons +1 Labor Unions Progs +1 Protectionist Cons -1 Transportation Libs +1 Total Changes Progs +2 Red (now Red +1) Libs +3 Red (now maxed Red +3) Mods +3 Red (already maxed Red +3) Cons -1 Red (already maxed Blue +3) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ich_bin_Tyler Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Senate Replacements Gov Elisha Dyer of RI appoints Jonathan Chace. Gov John Wentworth of IL appoints Elisha P Ferry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ich_bin_Tyler Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Deaths and Retirements Democrats Farmer Democrats Fmr NC Rep Thomas Ruffin retires James Iver McKay retires Job Mann dies Conservative Democrats Fmr PA Sen Daniel Sturgeon retires John S Barbour Sr retires GA Sen Alfred Cuthbert dies ( @OrangeP47 Gov Cobb to appoint new Senator) Popular Sovereignty Democrats @matthewyoung123 FL Rep William Wilkins announces retirements AR Sen William Fulton announces retirements Fmr NY Rep Charles King dies Imperialists Freeborn Jewett retires Adm Robert F Stockton retires (Pres Granger to appoint replacement) John M Robinson dies Semple Democrats Fmr MO Rep Daniel Dunklin retires Fmr TX Sen Mirabeau B Lamar retires Fmr OH Rep Jesse Root Grant dies Whigs Traditionalist Whigs Fmr RI Rep Henry Y Cranston retires Fmr NY Sen Nathaniel Tallmadge dies Wall Street Whigs IN Rep John Ewing announces retirements Cornelius Roosevelt retires William S Miller dies Moderate Whigs George Rockingham Gilmer retires John Biddle retires Walter Forward dies Liberal Whigs OH Sen Jonathan Sloane announces retirements John Bancker Aycrigg retires Rufus Goodenow dies Abolitionists John Nelson retires Noah Noble retires Charles H Carroll dies 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ich_bin_Tyler Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 While the Dems are cleaned up, Random Events occur Cabinet Member Garners Attention Its not common for a cabinet officer to gain the spotlight in the media. We could take advantage of this by running them for elected office somewhere. @matthewyoung123 George Bancroft gains +1 for next election. Local Debate Among Rising Stars This debate is for the ages, and both could be future party leaders at odds against on another for decades. Oregonians George K Shiel (Farmer Dems- @OrangeP47) and Gov AC Gibbs (Mod Whigs) get +1 in next election. Both earn Debater. Major Flood A major flood has stricken Missouri and caused much more damage than anticipated. Should we use federal intervention to help out in the recovery? Pres Granger will send disaster relief. 63/50, Revenue/Budget does not increase. Gains +1 to election in MO. Gov Austin Augustus King of MO rolls 31/10 and fails to handle the crisis well but nothing else happens. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 I'll get these after I get home from work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Nathaniel G Foster will be the new GA class III Senator. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ich_bin_Tyler Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) Pres Granger appoints David Dixon Porter as Admiral. He is automatically confirmed by the Senate. Edited December 7, 2022 by Ich_bin_Tyler 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ich_bin_Tyler Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) Scripted Events Verdi's Operas Take Europe By Storm Italian composer Giuseppe Verdi is arguably the most important figure in opera today. German Socialist Karl Marx Writes that "Religion is the Opium of the People" In a rather bold statement, German Socialist Karl Marx claims religion is toxic. Karl Marx loses "obscure" 50pts LW Pop, -50pts Theocrats Hanson C Gregory of Maine Creates First Ringed Donut A baker from Maine has created a novel pastry, a ringed donut. Karl Marx moves to London Karl Marx will be removed from the game. German-Born Frederick Miller Begins Brewing Beer in Milwaukee Frederick Miller has opened a brewery in Milkwaukee which is becoming quickly popular. 50pts Big Corporations 32/10, Revenue/Budget does not increase. Mendel's Research on Genetics A Czech monk-turned-scientist has released information from his study on genetics and heredity. 50pts Science Polygamy and Aggressive Settlers in Utah Mormons have been pushed across the nation by state governments and citizens opposed to Mormon practices, especially polygamy. The Mormons had found a home in the Salt Lake Valley, but anti-Mormonism is growing strong in both parties. Recently, Mormon settlers and federal forces have clashed, leading in some deaths. Our government used a military escort to place a federal official in office, fearing a potential attacks by the settlers. The settlers, fearing renewed persecution, allied with a nearby native tribe to face off with the government. We have recently learned that the Mormons have attacked a wagon full of non-Mormon settlers. Pres Granger chooses between: A) Send US Army, overthrow Mormon territorial governor, and place new Federal officers B) Allow the Mormons to live as they wish for now; Seek military provisions from other areas. Egghead Cabinet members weigh in Secs Pollock and Henderson support A @matthewyoung123 what does Sec Bancroft support? Garibaldi Begins Unification Movement in Italy Giuseppe Garibaldi, a charismatic nationalist, has raised an army aimed at Italian unification, a region that has been generally fragmented since the time of the Romans. Romania Becomes a New Nation Romania is the most recent independent nation. Massachusetts Institute of Technology Founded in Cambridge, MA The Massachusetts Institute of Technology is to be located in Cambridge, MA, within walking distance of Harvard. 50pts MA Gov Linus B Comins (W), MA Sens Oakes Ames (W) and Eben F Stone (W), Private Education International Red Cross is Created by 16 Countries in Geneva The International Red Cross has been created in Geneva, Switzerland 50pts Public Healthcare, Big Pharma Charing Cross Station Opens in London London has opened Charing Cross station, which will be part of London's new underground system. State Militias Quell John Brown's Uprising Due to Pres Polk's decision, the various state militias have quelled the uprising rather brutally. John Brown was eventually killed by one of his own after several governors granted clemency for whomever captured or killed John Brown. Following the end of the uprising, some of the Southern states have begun to mass execute some of those involved in the uprising. All told, the death toll from war and the aftermath is about 45,000. Upper South and Deep South -1 EV in each state for 10 years. If any EV changes, apply at next US Census. (just for you @OrangeP47) 100pts Govs Andrew B Moore (D-AL), John Selden Roane (D-AR), Madison S Perry (D-FL), Howell Cobb (D-GA), John B Thompson (W-KY), Andre B Roman (W-LA), Charles Clark (D-MS), Henry Toole Clark (D-NC), William Aiken Jr (D-SC), William B Campbell (D-TN), and Robert E Lee (W-VA). 83/25, Domestic Stability does not increase. Pres Granger responds with, "We need to consider legislation and actions to quickly diffuse sectional tensions. Otherwise, this is bound to happen again." Prohibition in Kansas More and more voters have been calling for the prohibition of alcohol, especially in the West. Kansas is seen as the epicenter of this movement. Govs in Great Plains gain 50 pts if they pass Prohibition laws in the upcoming Gov Action phase; Prohibition is triggered on in KS. 50pts KS Gov Wilson Shannon (D), KS Sens Marcus Junius Parrott (D) and George Washington Glick (D), KS Rep Fernando Wood (D); Theocrats, Progs, RW Populists, Reformists Southern States form the Confederate States of America, following the last elections. We did it, fam! The South has been brimming with secession fervor, mostly over the growing anti-slavery movement but also because of policies that tend to favor Northern industries. The last election made it clear that the Southerners need to form their own nation if they are to preserve their way of life and those enslaved to it. FL, AL, GA, MS, LA, TX, SC, NC, TN, AR, VA become the Confederate States of America. We will have to see which politicians from these states remain loyal to the Union and which leave. -250pts Pres Granger, Civil Rights, LW Activists, Nationalists; 250pts RW Activists, Traditionalists, RW Pop 53/25 no Military Prep decrease; 62/25 no Econ Stability decrease; 32/25 no Party Pref decrease; 73/25 no Relations with other nations decrease. Important figures seceding Fmr Pres James K Polk, Gov Henry Toole Clark (@matthewyoung123's faction leader), Fmr Sr Gen Albert Sidney Johnston, Justice Judah P Benjamin Important figures staying loyal to the Union Fmr VP John Tyler, Rep Sam Houston, Gov Robert E Lee Of the seceding states all but three Govs, three Senators, and three Reps seceded. Players see sheets for full list of secessionist politicians. Andrew Johnson of TN is named Confederate President. Thomas Stonewall Jackson is named Confederate Sr General. CSA Mobilizing Troops In Anticipation of a Civil War Following secession, the supposed Southern government has raised armies, mostly led by former United States officers. They are mobilizing and heading towards the rebellion border either to invade our capital or prevent an invasion from us. Pres Granger must decide: A) Secession is clearly illegal! Call on the military and state governments to form a Napoleonic-sized army to quell the rebellion! We are the UNITED States of America. Don't let these traitors forget about it. For those who have long desired an end to slavery in America, the day will soon come. B) We need to resolve this diplomatically and make it clear that the federal government won't interfere with slavery. As a token gesture, I will strictly enforce the fugitive slave act, if they end their rebellion. C) As the publisher of the NY Tribune says, "Wayward Sisters, depart in peace." Egghead Cabinet members weigh in Sec Pollock supports A @matthewyoung123 what does Sec Bancroft support? Edited December 7, 2022 by Ich_bin_Tyler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewyoung123 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, Ich_bin_Tyler said: Scripted Events Verdi's Operas Take Europe By Storm Italian composer Giuseppe Verdi is arguably the most important figure in opera today. German Socialist Karl Marx Writes that "Religion is the Opium of the People" In a rather bold statement, German Socialist Karl Marx claims religion is toxic. Karl Marx loses "obscure" 50pts LW Pop, -50pts Theocrats Hanson C Gregory of Maine Creates First Ringed Donut A baker from Maine has created a novel pastry, a ringed donut. Karl Marx moves to London Karl Marx will be removed from the game. German-Born Frederick Miller Begins Brewing Beer in Milwaukee Frederick Miller has opened a brewery in Milkwaukee which is becoming quickly popular. 50pts Big Corporations 32/10, Revenue/Budget does not increase. Mendel's Research on Genetics A Czech monk-turned-scientist has released information from his study on genetics and heredity. 50pts Science Polygamy and Aggressive Settlers in Utah Mormons have been pushed across the nation by state governments and citizens opposed to Mormon practices, especially polygamy. The Mormons had found a home in the Salt Lake Valley, but anti-Mormonism is growing strong in both parties. Recently, Mormon settlers and federal forces have clashed, leading in some deaths. Our government used a military escort to place a federal official in office, fearing a potential attacks by the settlers. The settlers, fearing renewed persecution, allied with a nearby native tribe to face off with the government. We have recently learned that the Mormons have attacked a wagon full of non-Mormon settlers. Pres Granger chooses between: A) Send US Army, overthrow Mormon territorial governor, and place new Federal officers B) Allow the Mormons to live as they wish for now; Seek military provisions from other areas. Egghead Cabinet members weigh in Secs Pollock and Henderson support A @matthewyoung123 what does Sec Bancroft support? Garibaldi Begins Unification Movement in Italy Giuseppe Garibaldi, a charismatic nationalist, has raised an army aimed at Italian unification, a region that has been generally fragmented since the time of the Romans. Romania Becomes a New Nation Romania is the most recent independent nation. Massachusetts Institute of Technology Founded in Cambridge, MA The Massachusetts Institute of Technology is to be located in Cambridge, MA, within walking distance of Harvard. 50pts MA Gov Linus B Comins (W), MA Sens Oakes Ames (W) and Eben F Stone (W), Private Education International Red Cross is Created by 16 Countries in Geneva The International Red Cross has been created in Geneva, Switzerland 50pts Public Healthcare, Big Pharma Charing Cross Station Opens in London London has opened Charing Cross station, which will be part of London's new underground system. State Militias Quell John Brown's Uprising Due to Pres Polk's decision, the various state militias have quelled the uprising rather brutally. John Brown was eventually killed by one of his own after several governors granted clemency for whomever captured or killed John Brown. Following the end of the uprising, some of the Southern states have begun to mass execute some of those involved in the uprising. All told, the death toll from war and the aftermath is about 45,000. Upper South and Deep South -1 EV in each state for 10 years. If any EV changes, apply at next US Census. (just for you @OrangeP47) 100pts Govs Andrew B Moore (D-AL), John Selden Roane (D-AR), Madison S Perry (D-FL), Howell Cobb (D-GA), John B Thompson (W-KY), Andre B Roman (W-LA), Charles Clark (D-MS), Henry Toole Clark (D-NC), William Aiken Jr (D-SC), William B Campbell (D-TN), and Robert E Lee (W-VA). 83/25, Domestic Stability does not increase. Pres Granger responds with, "We need to consider legislation and actions to quickly diffuse sectional tensions. Otherwise, this is bound to happen again." Prohibition in Kansas More and more voters have been calling for the prohibition of alcohol, especially in the West. Kansas is seen as the epicenter of this movement. Govs in Great Plains gain 50 pts if they pass Prohibition laws in the upcoming Gov Action phase; Prohibition is triggered on in KS. 50pts KS Gov Wilson Shannon (D), KS Sens Marcus Junius Parrott (D) and George Washington Glick (D), KS Rep Fernando Wood (D); Theocrats, Progs, RW Populists, Reformists Southern States form the Confederate States of America, following the last elections. We did it, fam! The South has been brimming with secession fervor, mostly over the growing anti-slavery movement but also because of policies that tend to favor Northern industries. The last election made it clear that the Southerners need to form their own nation if they are to preserve their way of life and those enslaved to it. FL, AL, MS, LA, TX, SC, NC, TN, AR, VA become the Confederate States of America. We will have to see which politicians from these states remain loyal to the Union and which leave. -250pts Pres Granger, Civil Rights, LW Activists, Nationalists; 250pts RW Activists, Traditionalists, RW Pop 53/25 no Military Prep decrease; 62/25 no Econ Stability decrease; 32/25 no Party Pref decrease; 73/25 no Relations with other nations decrease. Important figures seceding Fmr Pres James K Polk, Gov Henry Toole Clark (@matthewyoung123's faction leader), Fmr Sr Gen Albert Sidney Johnston, Justice Judah P Benjamin Important figures staying loyal to the Union Fmr VP John Tyler, Rep Sam Houston, Gov Robert E Lee Of the seceding states all but three Govs, two Senators, and three Reps seceded. Players see sheets for full list of secessionist politicians. Andrew Johnson of TN is named Confederate President. Thomas Stonewall Jackson is named Confederate Sr General. CSA Mobilizing Troops In Anticipation of a Civil War Following secession, the supposed Southern government has raised armies, mostly led by former United States officers. They are mobilizing and heading towards the rebellion border either to invade our capital or prevent an invasion from us. Pres Granger must decide: A) Secession is clearly illegal! Call on the military and state governments to form a Napoleonic-sized army to quell the rebellion! We are the UNITED States of America. Don't let these traitors forget about it. For those who have long desired an end to slavery in America, the day will soon come. B) We need to resolve this diplomatically and make it clear that the federal government won't interfere with slavery. As a token gesture, I will strictly enforce the fugitive slave act, if they end their rebellion. C) As the publisher of the NY Tribune says, "Wayward Sisters, depart in peace." Egghead Cabinet members weigh in Sec Pollock supports A @matthewyoung123 what does Sec Bancroft support? Bancroft supports option B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ich_bin_Tyler Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 12 minutes ago, matthewyoung123 said: Bancroft supports option B. B for Mormons and Secession? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewyoung123 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 36 minutes ago, matthewyoung123 said: Bancroft supports option B. Sorry, A for Mormons. B for Secession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, matthewyoung123 said: Sorry, A for Mormons. B for Secession. Imagine if we (Tyler) gets done moving all these dimwits to the secessionist sheet and the President takes your advice and it works and we have to move the dunces right back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ich_bin_Tyler Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Event Decisions Polygamy and Aggressive Settlers in Utah Pres Granger decides A) Send US Army, overthrow Mormon territorial governor, and place new Federal officers. Cons and Mods +1 Red The Utah War is activated (Minor War). 50pts Gain: Theocrats, Military-Industrial; -50pts Human Rights Implementation Mod for Pres Granger 32/50, Sec Anthony 5/30, Sec Henderson 48/80 (before he left as a secessionist). Implementation is successful! CSA Mobilizing Troops In Anticipation of a Civil War Pres Granger, after consulting with the party leadership, decides A) Secession is clearly illegal! Call on the military and state governments to form a Napoleonic-sized army to quell the rebellion! We are the UNITED States of America. Don't let these traitors forget about it. For those who have long desired an end to slavery in America, the day will soon come. Cons -1 and Mods +1 Red American Civil War (Eastern Theatre) and American Civil War (Western Theatre) are activated (Major Wars) 250pts Nationalists, Military-Industrial, Civil Rights, LW Activists, Wall Street, Manufacturing; -250pts RW Activists, Pacifists 52/25% so no increase in Military Prep; 57/25% so no Party Pref increase 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ich_bin_Tyler Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Impact of Events German Socialist Karl Marx Writes that "Religion is the Opium of the People" More Whigs lost than gained, so Party Pref +1 Blue (now Neutral but trending Blue) Polygamy and Aggressive Settlers in Utah Mods +1 Red for Pres faction gaining points. Southern States form the Confederate States of America, following the last elections. Mods +1 Red for Farmer Dems gaining the most points Mods are maxed Red +3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ich_bin_Tyler Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 Selection of New Faction Leaders Since Govs Cobb and Clark left for the CSA, the Conservative Dems (@OrangeP47) and Pop Sov Dems (@matthewyoung123) will need to select new Faction Leaders. Meanwhile, @vcczar a question post-secession: What do we do with loyalists who held office? Example, Robert E Lee is Gov of VA and he remained loyal to the Union. Will he remain Gov of VA or should he lose that title since the state seceded? What would we do with the Reps and Sens that stayed loyal? Do they stay in office or are those offices removed too? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 16 minutes ago, Ich_bin_Tyler said: Selection of New Faction Leaders Since Govs Cobb and Clark left for the CSA, the Conservative Dems (@OrangeP47) and Pop Sov Dems (@matthewyoung123) will need to select new Faction Leaders. Meanwhile, @vcczar a question post-secession: What do we do with loyalists who held office? Example, Robert E Lee is Gov of VA and he remained loyal to the Union. Will he remain Gov of VA or should he lose that title since the state seceded? What would we do with the Reps and Sens that stayed loyal? Do they stay in office or are those offices removed too? As the states are unavailable, they'll "lose the office," even though in real life the government would probably consider them still validly holding those offices. For game purposes, they're unemployed and stateless, which means they can hold appointed office, but they can't run for president, VP, US Sen, US Rep, or Gov unless they move. Basically, they're cabinet, cabinet-level, ambassador, or military. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewyoung123 Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ich_bin_Tyler said: Selection of New Faction Leaders Since Govs Cobb and Clark left for the CSA, the Conservative Dems (@OrangeP47) and Pop Sov Dems (@matthewyoung123) will need to select new Faction Leaders. Meanwhile, @vcczar a question post-secession: What do we do with loyalists who held office? Example, Robert E Lee is Gov of VA and he remained loyal to the Union. Will he remain Gov of VA or should he lose that title since the state seceded? What would we do with the Reps and Sens that stayed loyal? Do they stay in office or are those offices removed too? Reverdy Johnson of MD will be the new leader for the Pop Sov Democrats who will now adopt the name, Copperhead Democrats. Edited December 8, 2022 by matthewyoung123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 The Conservative Democrats new Faction Leader is Representative Lawrence Trimble of Kentucky. All requirements except ideology were voided, though he does already have leadership despite that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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