0ccultist Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Murrman104 said: Socialistly supports Segregationists I mean our leader only got to this position after stopping Civil rights protest Edited July 5, 2022 by 0ccultist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pman Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 Yeah I support Talm too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willthescout7 Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 @Arkansas Progressive @bradleyg223 I hate to be that guy, but Tallmadge can't be leader for Brad's faction/party leader. He is missing leadership and has obscure. Brad's only option is Robert Bryd who has leadership, is not obscure and has a matching card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willthescout7 Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 @0ccultist Earl Long does not match your faction ideology. It has to be a liberal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortKing Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Willthescout7 said: @0ccultist Earl Long does not match your faction ideology. It has to be a liberal. It has to match the ideology cards he has, 0cc holds cards for libs, progs, and lw pops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0ccultist Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, Willthescout7 said: @0ccultist Earl Long does not match your faction ideology. It has to be a liberal. Like short says it has to match a card held i believe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willthescout7 Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 I've always interpreted it as the dominant ideology of the faction, which is what we've done in 1840, but I see what you are saying. I'll defer to @Arkansas Progressive and @MrPotatoTed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0ccultist Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) "The faction leader must have an Ideology..." "an" in our view means any of the ideologies present in the faction. Edited July 6, 2022 by 0ccultist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willthescout7 Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 Just now, 0ccultist said: "The faction leader must have an Ideology" "an" in our view means any of the ideologies present in the faction. As far I can tell, the other playtests have treated it as the dominant ideology. I'm not saying you're wrong, but getting clarification for the author's intent on the rules. As we've seen, what the rules say and what is intended aren't always the same😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 Looks like the question is whether a faction leader must have the personal ideology that matches their faction’s dominant ideology? If that’s the question, you’re actually looking at it backwards. The faction leader’s personal ideology must match “one” of their faction’s ideology cards (if the faction has more than one). And then that ideology BECOMES the faction’s dominant ideology. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willthescout7 Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 16 minutes ago, MrPotatoTed said: Looks like the question is whether a faction leader must have the personal ideology that matches their faction’s dominant ideology? If that’s the question, you’re actually looking at it backwards. The faction leader’s personal ideology must match “one” of their faction’s ideology cards (if the faction has more than one). And then that ideology BECOMES the faction’s dominant ideology. Sounds good. What was the rationale behind that being the case and not mandating that it comes from the dominant ideology? That makes more sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0ccultist Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, Willthescout7 said: What was the rationale behind that being the case and not mandating that it comes from the dominant ideology? That makes more sense to me. in my view it doesn't make good game fun. Because just based on who politicians are there will be more liberals, moderates, and conservatives. So even if you want to RP as an extremist faction you would be strong armed into having a non extremist leader. Hopefully that makes sense! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPotatoTed Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, Willthescout7 said: Sounds good. What was the rationale behind that being the case and not mandating that it comes from the dominant ideology? That makes more sense to me. The whole concept of a "dominant ideology" was just a reflection of which of the faction's ideologies matches the faction leader's personal ideology. So we never considered the reverse...it was just "We should have a name for this." "How about 'dominant ideology?" Haha. I assume you're using dominant ideology to mean the ideology most of the faction's politicians have. That's a reasonable use of the term, and I could see the argument you're making. It just wasn't an argument we considered at the time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willthescout7 Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 I've always personally played it as has to have the same ideology as most of your faction (so what I think of as dominant ideology). I can see where Occultist comes from especially as we are both extremist factions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vols21 Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 I can see this way being ok because otherwise The Hangul of Populists would never have a real chance to rise to power (but history has given us Andy Jackson, Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump who might be considered populist) my question is since it is not restricted to just the main ideology of a faction, does this cause a change for Tip O’Neill since the faction has others who actually had Leadership (Tip didn’t before he was named leader). I’m at a meeting and can’t access the sheets to verify so please check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vols21 Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 In the computer game an idea could be to for game to present a list of top 3-5 candidates for faction leader and highlight the ones who meet all the qualifications. Maybe allow extra bonus for using the best qualified but allow a little bit of freedom (since some are locked into only having one allowable which could restrict their growth or chances) be better than having to play games (like changing an ideology outside the factions) in order to promote someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortKing Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, Vols21 said: my question is since it is not restricted to just the main ideology of a faction, does this cause a change for Tip O’Neill since the faction has others who actually had Leadership (Tip didn’t before he was named leader). I’m at a meeting and can’t access the sheets to verify so please check. So there was another guy (Robert Murphy) who had leadership, but also had obscure. The rules currently state that if no one meets all requirements (having leadership and not having obscure) then both of those requirements can be omitted, making Tip eligible. The funny thing about Brad's is that technically, he shouldn't have even been able to make Helms leader since it appears Harry Byrd has been the only guy to meet all requirements for a while now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkansas Progressive Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 SoSo are we allowing Talmadge or are we forcing byrd? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkansas Progressive Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 Since Byrd is the only one who qualifies, he is now faction (and party) leader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, Arkansas Progressive said: Since Byrd is the only one who qualifies, he is now faction (and party) leader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkansas Progressive Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 Harry F Byrd Sr moves traditionalist ideology +2 Dem, and his leadership skill avoid a loss of enthusiasm for Progressives, Liberals, and Moderates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkansas Progressive Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Arkansas Progressive said: Harry F Byrd Sr moves traditionalist ideology +2 Dem, and his leadership skill avoid a loss of enthusiasm for Progressives, Liberals, and Moderates. Never mind Blues are being obstinate @0ccultist @bradleyg223 @ShortKing @pman @Murrman104 nominate party leader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkansas Progressive Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 Herman Talmadge will not keep gains (mostly because people dont like it) - sighs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkansas Progressive Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 Faction Leader Harry F Byrd Sr gains iron fist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortKing Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 ok then we will keep Byrd as party leader 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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