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The Grassroots Divide: A 1772 Two-Player Populist Showdown


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BLOO RELOCATIONS, IDEOLOGY SHIFTS, AND KINGMAKERS 1772

Rezi: 

Relocations:

  • Thomas Paine PA -> NY (Alternate State)

  • Daniel Hiester PA -> MD (Alternate State)

  • George Bryan PA -> RI

  • George Taylor PA -> MD

  • John Hiester PA -> MD

  • John Smilie PA -> MD

Ideology Shifts:

  • None

Kingmakers:

  • None

BlooModCPU:

Relocations:

  • None

Ideology Shifts:

  • None

Kingmakers:

  • Kingmaker Robert R Livingston takes  George Clinton as a Protege

BlooConCPU:

Relocations:

  • None

Ideology Shifts:

  • John Paul Jones Mod -> Cons
  • William Ellery Mod -> Cons
  • Samuel Ashe Mod -> Cons

Kingmakers:

  • Kingmaker  Patrick Henry takes  John Page as a Protege

BlooLibCPU:

Relocations:

  • None

Ideology Shifts:

  • None

Kingmakers:

  • Kingmaker Ebenezer Hazard takes  Peter Muhlenberg as a Protege

BlooTradCPU:

Relocations:

  • Anthony Wayne PA -> GA (Alternate State)

Ideology Shifts:

  • None

Kingmakers:

  • Kingmaker George Mason takes on Thomas Jefferson as Protege
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ROOKIE DRAFT TRAIT/ALTERNATE STATE GAINS

RedProgCPU Jonathan Freeman gains Debater.

RedLibCPU Thomas Mifflin gains Integrity.

RedLibCPU Egbert Benson gains Provincial.

RedProgCPU Benjamin Rush gains Lackey.

RedConCPU John Jay gains Charisma.

Blue had more rookie pols than Red and got 0 traits from it. Thanks, Dice.

 

BlooTradCPU John Tyler Sr gains South Carolina as an alternate state.

Rezi Melancton Smith gains Rhode Island as an alternate state.

BlooModCPU Robert R Livingston gains Virginia as an alternate state.

BlooLibCPU Richard Bassett gains New Jersey as an alternate state.

BlooTradCPU Thomas Tudor Tucker gains Delaware as an alternate state.

And then Blue gets every alternate state. Wonderful.

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3 hours ago, Rezi said:

 

RedProgCPU Benjamin Rush gains Lackey.
 

You know, Benjamin Rush is the character that I plan on spending a disproportionate amount of time and effort building up when the game comes out, and I notice that it seems like he just can't catch a break in the current playtests (I suppose I say that not knowing precisely what the Lackey trait does, but it doesn't sound like anything good).  Not sure that bodes well for me!

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On 7/30/2022 at 12:33 AM, Cal said:

HHCal
Ideology shifts:
M --> C
Caleb Strong Fails
Dudley Saltonstall Fails, Gains flipflopper and pliable.

C --> T
James Wood Fails, gains flipflopper
George Matthews Fails
Thomas Bee Fails, gains flipflopper
Arthur St. Clare Fails
Henry Lee II Fails
Isaac Roosevelt I Fails, gains flipflopper
William Cushing Fails

C --> M
James Duane Fails
Philip Schuyler Fails

Congrats, the first 11 pols all failing was a 4% chance!

T --> C
Benedict Arnold Suceeds!

On 7/30/2022 at 12:33 AM, Cal said:

RedConCPU
Ideology shifts:

Shearjashub Bourne M --> C Fails
John Sullivan M --> C Fails, gains pliable

On 7/30/2022 at 12:33 AM, Cal said:

RedModCPU
Relocations:
Benjamin Huntington CT --> PA Succeeds, no penalty.

Ideology shifts:
James Lloyd M --> C Fails, gains pliable
Andrew Adams M --> C Fails
James Otis Jr M --> C Fails

On 7/30/2022 at 12:33 AM, Cal said:

RedProgCPU

Ideology shifts:
Richard Peters M --> C Succeeds, gains flipflopper

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23 hours ago, Rezi said:

BLOO RELOCATIONS, IDEOLOGY SHIFTS, AND KINGMAKERS 1772

Rezi: 

Relocations:

  • Thomas Paine PA -> NY (Alternate State) SUCCESS

  • Daniel Hiester PA -> MD (Alternate State) SUCCESS

  • George Bryan PA -> RI NO LONGER UNDERPOPULATED.

  • George Taylor PA -> MD MD no longer unpopulated.

  • John Hiester PA -> MD No longer unferpopulated. 

  • John Smilie PA -> MD NO LONGER UNDERPOPULATED

Ideology Shifts:

  • None

Kingmakers:

  • None

BlooModCPU:

Relocations:

  • None

Ideology Shifts:

  • None

Kingmakers:

  • Kingmaker Robert R Livingston takes  George Clinton as a Protege Invalid: Livingston has not reached the age 35 (currently 26)

BlooConCPU:

Relocations:

  • None

Ideology Shifts:

  • John Paul Jones Mod -> Cons 81 FAILS. 41, 51, does not gain Pliable or Flipflopper.
  • William Ellery Mod -> Cons 78 FAILS, 27, 49, gains Pliable but not Flipflopper.
  • Samuel Ashe Mod -> Cons 41 FAILS, 17, 56, gains Pliable but not Flipflopper

Kingmakers:

  • Kingmaker  Patrick Henry takes  John Page as a Protege. NO SKILL GAIN POSSIBLE, NO INTEREST GAIN POSSIBLE, NO EXPERTISE GAIN POSSIBLE, Gains Propagandist.

BlooLibCPU:

Relocations:

  • None

Ideology Shifts:

  • None

Kingmakers:

  • Kingmaker Ebenezer Hazard takes  Peter Muhlenberg as a Protege. TOO YOUNG, MUST BE 35+

BlooTradCPU:

Relocations:

  • Anthony Wayne PA -> GA (Alternate State) SUCCESS

Ideology Shifts:

  • None

Kingmakers:

  • Kingmaker George Mason takes on Thomas Jefferson as Protege. SHARES RW ACTIVIST, DEBATER.

 

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1 minute ago, Cal said:
  • Thomas Paine PA -> NY (Alternate State) SUCCESS

  • Daniel Hiester PA -> MD (Alternate State) SUCCESS

  • George Bryan PA -> RI NO LONGER UNDERPOPULATED.

  • George Taylor PA -> MD MD no longer unpopulated.

  • John Hiester PA -> MD No longer unferpopulated. 

  • John Smilie PA -> MD NO LONGER UNDERPOPULATED

nooooo, operation PAexodus failed

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On 7/30/2022 at 4:59 PM, Cal said:

Red Kingmakers

HHCal Samuel Huntington (Leadership) will take on Benedict Arnold, Dudley Saltonstall, and Jonathan Trumbull Jr as protégés. 

RedConCPU Benjamin Franklin will take on George Clymer as a protege (highest Gov + Leg + Command).

Benedict Arnold gains Labor expertise, Provincial, and +1 Governing

Saltonstall gains Agriculture expertise, Provincial, and +1 Command

Trumbull Jr gains Labor expertise, Provincial, and +1 Command

 

George Clymer gains Foreign Affairs expertise, Civil Rights interest, Cosmopolitan, and +1  Governing

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Faction Personalities

HHCal -- Conservatives, Traditionalists

RedConCPU -- Conservatives

RedModCPU -- Moderates

RedLibCPU --Moderates

RedProgCPU -- Liberals

 

BlueTradCPU -- Conservatives, Traditionalists, RW Populists, RW Activists, Expansionists

BlueConCPU --Moderates, 

BlueModCPU -- Moderates

BlueLibCPU -- Moderates

Rezi -- Progressives, LW Activists

No lobbies are yet active, per the rules.

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4 minutes ago, Cal said:

Rezi -- Progressives, LW Activists

If I understand the rules correctly, I should have the LW Populist Card as well. 

"Every ideology must be distributed to at least one faction.  If there is an ideology with 0 politicians in the game, it is distributed randomly to a faction with a neighboring ideology.  For example, if there are no LW Populist politicians, the card is given to the Progressive faction – choose randomly if there is more than one Progressive faction."

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2 minutes ago, Rezi said:

If I understand the rules correctly, I should have the LW Populist Card as well. 

"Every ideology must be distributed to at least one faction.  If there is an ideology with 0 politicians in the game, it is distributed randomly to a faction with a neighboring ideology.  For example, if there are no LW Populist politicians, the card is given to the Progressive faction – choose randomly if there is more than one Progressive faction."

I thought that as well, but the Historic Era card minimum on the sheet is set as 0, instead of 1. I think that you should have it, though. It's just a strange difference.

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Faction Leaders

As there is not yet a Continental Congress, we switch straight to selecting Faction Leaders (no Party Leaders for this era)

HHCal -- Conservatives, Traditionalists
All statesmen are Obscure, and therefore all restrictions outside of Ideology are lifted. Therefore, I will select Patriot Benedict Arnold as my Faction Leader.

RedConCPU -- Conservatives. There are no eligible statesmen without Obscure, and therefore all restrictions are lifted. As there are no CPU rules for this currently, I will have the CPU choose the highest PV same ideology politician not on the career track. Therefore, John Sherman is selected.

RedModCPU -- Moderates. The only eligible option is George Washington. 

RedLibCPU --Moderates. No one eligible, so the CPU selects James Wilson. 

RedProgCPU -- Liberals. No one eligible, so the CPU selects Thomas McKean.

 

BlueTradCPU -- Conservatives, Traditionalists, RW Populists, RW Activists, Expansionists. No one eligible, so the CPU selects Thomas Jefferson. 

BlueConCPU --Moderates. No one eligible, so the CPU selects John Hancock. 

BlueModCPU -- Moderates. No one eligible, so the CPU selects George Clinton. 

BlueLibCPU -- Moderates. No one eligible, so the CPU selects John Milton. 

Rezi -- Progressives, LW Populists, LW Activists. The only eligible option is Samuel Adams. 

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3 minutes ago, Cal said:

HHCal -- Conservatives, Traditionalists
All statesmen are Obscure, and therefore all restrictions outside of Ideology are lifted. Therefore, I will select Patriot Benedict Arnold as my Faction Leader.

RedConCPU -- Conservatives. There are no eligible statesmen without Obscure, and therefore all restrictions are lifted. As there are no CPU rules for this currently, I will have the CPU choose the highest PV same ideology politician not on the career track. Therefore, John Sherman is selected.

RedModCPU -- Moderates. The only eligible option is George Washington. 

RedLibCPU --Moderates. No one eligible, so the CPU selects James Wilson. 

RedProgCPU -- Liberals. No one eligible, so the CPU selects Thomas McKean.

Benedict Arnold loses Obscure.

John Sherman sees no gains.

George Washington gains Leadership (I'm shocked he didn't already have it) and +1 Governing. Would have lost obscure and gained crisis manager but both were already done.

James Wilson loses Obscure.

Thomas McKean loses Obscure and gains Leadership. Would have gained Disharmonious but already has it.

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2 minutes ago, Cal said:

BlueTradCPU -- Conservatives, Traditionalists, RW Populists, RW Activists, Expansionists. No one eligible, so the CPU selects Thomas Jefferson. 

Keeps obscure. No gains.

6 minutes ago, Cal said:

BlueConCPU --Moderates. No one eligible, so the CPU selects John Hancock. 

Keeps Obscure. No gains.

7 minutes ago, Cal said:

BlueModCPU -- Moderates. No one eligible, so the CPU selects George Clinton. 

Loses Obscure. Gains Charismatic. 

12 minutes ago, Cal said:

BlueLibCPU -- Moderates. No one eligible, so the CPU selects John Milton. 

Loses Obscure. Gains Leadership. +1 Command. +1 Gov. Gains Likable. (He absorbed everyone else's luck, it seems).

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38 minutes ago, Cal said:

Keeps obscure. No gains.

Keeps Obscure. No gains.

Loses Obscure. Gains Charismatic. 

Loses Obscure. Gains Leadership. +1 Command. +1 Gov. Gains Likable. (He absorbed everyone else's luck, it seems).

where Samuel Adams

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6 minutes ago, Rezi said:

where Samuel Adams

I had thought I done him... strange. (legitimately). Reroll!

Samuel Adams would gain Leadership, but already has it. He would lose obscure, but already has it. No other gains.

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Gaspee Affair:  A group of Rhode Islanders, led by Abraham Whipple and John Brown, burn down a grounded British customs ship that had been enforcing the Navigation Act. These acts and taxation are unjust but such violence will only inflame a response. I fear a military response.

BlooTradCPU -50
BloodConCPU -50
BloodModCPU -50
BlueLibCPU -50

HHCal -50
RedConCPU -50
RedModCPU -50
RedLibCPU -50

Only RedProgCPU and Rezi escape.

Benjamin Franklin is Recognized as the Most Famous American:  Benjamin Franklin has long been a leading intellectual and has spent almost as much time in London and Paris as he has in Philadelphia, making Franklin the most recognized name in America. His inventions, scientific experiments, and publications have made his name immortal.

RedConCPU Benjamin Franklin gains Celebrity.  

John Bartram Recognized as the World's Greatest Botanist: Carl Linneaus, the world famous Swedish naturalist, proclaimed Bartram the "Greatest Natural Botanist in the World." [Historically, the Founding Fathers made frequent trips to his garden in Philadelphia.

RedModCPU gains Celebrity.

Committees of Correspondence:  Samuel Adams, Joseph Warren, and Mercy Otis Warren of Massachusetts set up a Committee of Correspondence in response to the Gaspee Affair to coordinate colonial opposition to the British Parliament and advocate for colonial rights. Similar committees are expected to spring up elsewhere. We can only hope that such committees will be constructive and harmonizing.

BloodTradCPU +50
Rezi +50

Tea Act: 
 In an effort to help the British East India Company, British Parliament has enacted a Tea Act, which is certainly going to hurt the port-city merchants in the American Colonies. Furthermore, those desiring representation in Parliament see this as yet another in a list of unjust taxation. This does not bode well. Parliament must be tone deaf! Taxation on Sugar, Stamps, and now tea? We don't even get a voice to object or accept this taxation!

Relations decrease by 1 with the British. Relations were already bottomed out, however. Hooray?

Boston Tea Party: 
 The Sons of Liberty of Massachusetts, led by Samuel Adams, board a merchant ship and dump the entire cargo of British East India tea into Boston harbor. Such marvelous boldness! It's difficult to know if this action by the Sons of Liberty will have been reckless or righteous. We can expect consequences by His Majesty King George III and his Parliament.

Rezi Samuel Adams gains celebrity.  

Rezi +50
BloodConCPU -50
BloodModCPU -50
BlueLibCPU -50

HHCal -50
RedConCPU -50
RedModCPU -50
RedLibCPU -50

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Time to appoint Continental Congress delegates!
 

Each faction can nominate one candidate per slot.  Big states will have 4 spots, medium states will have 3 spots, and small states will have 2 spots. For the Era of Independence, PA, MA, VA, MD are big, while GA, RI, DE, and NH are small.

Note that these are "at large" elections, meaning that all Pennsylvania candidates are competing against all other Pennsylvania candidates.  Not like a House election, where you specify which district you're running in.

(Shamelessly stolen from Ted)

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Rezi CC Candidates:

GA:  John A Treutlen

MA: Jonathan Grout, James Warren, Samuel Adams, Amos Singletary

MD: Daniel Hiester

NJ:  Elias Boudinot

NY:  Melancton Smith, Thomas Paine

PA: John Smilie, George Bryan, George Taylor

RI:  Joseph Stanton Jr

VA:  Carter Braxton

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2 hours ago, Cal said:

I thought that as well, but the Historic Era card minimum on the sheet is set as 0, instead of 1. I think that you should have it, though. It's just a strange difference.

The rules were rewritten after the Historic Era Card Minimum sheet was created.  So yes, should have LW Populist in play. 

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1 hour ago, Cal said:

 

RedConCPU -- Conservatives. There are no eligible statesmen without Obscure, and therefore all restrictions are lifted. As there are no CPU rules for this currently, I will have the CPU choose the highest PV same ideology politician not on the career track. Therefore, John Sherman is selected.

 

 

Not sure what you mean, there's definitely CPU Faction Leader selection rules.  (Totally understand that nobody was eligible, but you'd still roll the die to see if they choose the person with the highest PV or the one with the most command or one randomly or whatever).

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5 minutes ago, MrPotatoTed said:

Not sure what you mean, there's definitely CPU Faction Leader selection rules.  (Totally understand that nobody was eligible, but you'd still roll the die to see if they choose the person with the highest PV or the one with the most command or one randomly or whatever).

I must have missed them, I've not slept in like 48 hours 😛 Thanks for pointing that out! I'll take that as my cue to head to bed and continue this in the morning 😛 

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3 minutes ago, Cal said:

I must have missed them, I've not slept in like 48 hours 😛 Thanks for pointing that out! I'll take that as my cue to head to bed and continue this in the morning 😛 

It happens to the best of us!  If I recall correctly, the CPU rules are lower than you'd expect them -- below the rules on naming your faction.

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