DakotaHale Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Patine said: Plus, this guy seems dedicated to unrepentant and shameless targeted troublemaking - and that has, for some inexplicable reason - become an elephant in the room for everyone else here. Have you noticed that you seem to be the primary individual to respond to such comments thus making yourself a target for future digs? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hestia Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 16 minutes ago, Patine said: @DakotaHale @vcczar @Dobs @MrPotatoTed Which among you now says that this is NOT trolling? And, again, like the majority of cases with this troll of a poster, I wasn't even addressing, tagging, or trying to, "goad," him - I was making a fairly standard point about a topic that most on this forum wouldn't even disagree with. So, which of you NOW says this isn't trolling, and constant, repeat, and targeted trolling, for that matter? Block him. It's pretty clear the opinion isn't being changed. I see your point, I really do, but if nothing's going to change then just block him. It's the simplest solution. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pringles Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, DakotaHale said: I think the first part was addressed to me and obviously the last part to you. Yeah, hard to quote on the phone, first sentence was to you, the "no answer to the question. no room to comment. 😛 Let's see your list... unless you're too scared to do it that is." This is for you @Patine 😛 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakotaHale Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 11 minutes ago, Patine said: Why do you assume that all motivations of mine not to do, "commonly indulged in things," (I believe you said the same about me not owning a credit card, and, though I'm not sure, I think me not owning a cell phone might have been there too, and a couple other things), can ONLY be motivated by fear, and fear alone, and no other possible - and certainly not a BETTER - motivation could POSSIBLY exist? I think he's just making a lighthearted joke at your general reluctance to participate in polls 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pringles Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, DakotaHale said: I think he's just making a lighthearted joke at your general reluctance to participate in polls Yes 1 minute ago, Patine said: Perhaps. But he's used the, "fear," assumption in a few more bitter and angry posts at me in the past. And yes, I have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edouard Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 On 8/7/2021 at 3:47 AM, Timur said: Interesting views, even though I don't agree on everything. Is AOC considered radical in Europe? I would not say that she seems that radical in european standards but she would be in a very-left wing party like Die Linke or La France Insoumise Or the Corbyn wing of the Labour party What afraids me the most is her New Deal plan (while inflation is at 4%) and her issues to acknowledge that Maduro is a dictator (very few left-wing parties in North America and even in Europe who do the same). Bernie is Soc-Dem while AOC seems to be a bigger socialist with unclear views on how she stands in regard of democracy 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beetlejuice Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 (edited) Donald Trump Bernie Sanders Alexander Ocasio-Cortez Rand Paul Joe Manchin Ron DeSantis Joe Biden Ted Cruz Matt Gaetz Mitch McConnell Ilhan Omar Mitt Romney Kamala Harris Nancy Pelosi Edited August 8, 2021 by Beetlejuice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edouard Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Patine said: Well, to be fair, most Establishment-wing Republicans and Democrats (and a lot of other political equivalents in other Western First World nations) have just as hard a time calling out the ruling Monarchial families of the Absolutist Theocratic Monarchies on the Arabian Peninsula for the dictators they are - or at least treating as such dictators who not share our values or views on the world at all, and, you know, maybe not considering them as bosom regional allies, worthy of agreements to militarily jump to their defense at the drop of a hate, keep large amounts of troops stationed there, tonnes of money and military equipment, looking the other way when so many human rights abuses are done, and even supporting violent crackdowns against peaceful protesters against such tyranny, like in Bahrain during the Arab Spring. Although calling out Maduro, Castro, and whomever else is a noble thing in and of itself, it rings hollow when done so self-righteously by those who kowtow to these backward Feudal Bedouin chieftains, or people who rally behind political leaders as their choice of leadership, who do. There is a difference for me Most of these as you say don't do that not because they share political ideals of royal arabian families to transform their country into a theocratic society but rather because they have economic interests (often to sell weapons or to get state donations yes) This is way different for AOC, she has issues because she does not seems to know if what Maduro is doing is wrong or not, because Maduro and her have a kind of same left-wing views on several stuffs including the place of the state. And this is the same for Jean Luc Mélenchon, who is a terrible hypocrit, who blames the Saudi family but claps Maduro. This is not the case of Bernie Sanders or Quebec Solidaire who do assume to say that Maduro is a tyran. One of the few things that didn't change in the US diplomacy between Biden and Trump is the support for the Venezuelian opposition, and this is a good thing. Edited August 8, 2021 by Edouard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobs Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 On 8/5/2021 at 3:58 PM, vcczar said: Donald Trump Ted Cruz Ron DeSantis Matt Gaetz Mitch McConnell Mitt Romney Rand Paul Joe Biden Kamala Harris Alexander Ocasio-Cortez Ilhan Omar Joe Manchin Nancy Pelosi Bernie Sanders Mitt Romney Ron DeSantis Joe Manchin --- Approval Line Rand Paul Mitch McConnell Ted Cruz Joe Biden Nancy Pelosi Kamala Harris Bernie Sanders AOC --- Bad Person Line Donald Trump Matt Gaetz Ilhan Omar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edouard Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 (edited) I think that anyone can have politicial bias (I do have) and a specific way to rank. Actually Trump would not have been that low in my own evaluation if there weren't so many reports of his former friends who told how he played and destroyed them but also the way he handled his defeat, by calling for an almost coup d'état. I have no doubt in my mind that if senators were term limited, the vote to impeach him would have been much closer and may even has passed. On the other way I think that Trump is at least someone who separates religion of poiitic and it is a good point for him compared to Mitt Romney. So even if I think that Trump has this advantage to be a cooler guy in many things, I trust reports of people around him who said how egocentric he is by using others as means and how he put hundreds of Congressmen into danger for his uncapacity to accept an election defeat. I don't believe that Trump called rioters to calm down because he wanted to but only because they were not going to be succesfull in their coup and he does not want to go in jail. He hoped that this storm would have pushed Congress to do something they basically could not change. Like I told, even far-right movements close to fascism threatened the national assembly in the 30s but never stormed it, and the Capitol Riot is the demonstration of a personnal attitude that, even if it comes from the most liberal GOP president since a while on many societal issues, can not be accepted. Edited August 9, 2021 by Edouard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted August 9, 2021 Author Share Posted August 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Dobs said: Mitt Romney Ron DeSantis Joe Manchin --- Approval Line Rand Paul Mitch McConnell Ted Cruz Joe Biden Nancy Pelosi Kamala Harris Bernie Sanders AOC --- Bad Person Line Donald Trump Matt Gaetz Ilhan Omar I’m surprised Rand Paul isn’t above that first line for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobs Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 23 minutes ago, vcczar said: I’m surprised Rand Paul isn’t above that first line for you. He's got good policies but is a turkey of a human being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pringles Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Patine said: It may be lack of dedicated following of affairs, but what, exactly, has Ilhan Omar done to be below Donald Trump? This is a serious question, as I really am not sure. "Some people did something." In reference to the September 11th Attacks. That's all she had to say on the matter. 😐 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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