vcczar Posted September 27, 2023 Author Share Posted September 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, OrangeP47 said: Shoulda asked for homestate. Yeah. I'll tag people and ask for more info when I do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edouard Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 8 minutes ago, vcczar said: Yeah. I'll tag people and ask for more info when I do this. I would like that you show the graph of where people are with their platform maybe on the scale of the game from left to right, you know with the cursor as it is made in Infinity game for the overall position of course. Also for home state you can put my char in New Hampshire or New York. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blockmon Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Massachusetts for me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pringles Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 1 hour ago, vcczar said: I think what I'll do is convert you platforms into candidates on President Infinity. That might be a more fun way of doing this, rather than me typing out a ton of polls for you to vote on. However, if anyone want to make polls of these platforms, I'd be elated. If I have the time, I was thinking of throwing everyone into their respective primaries, polling it on the forum and telling them to reference here for the platforms they support the most in each party. Or maybe all platforms for each party and rather voting for one, you vote for multiple ones you agree with/are ok with for each party. Just throwing out ideas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WVProgressive Posted September 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, vcczar said: I think what I'll do is convert you platforms into candidates on President Infinity. That might be a more fun way of doing this, rather than me typing out a ton of polls for you to vote on. However, if anyone want to make polls of these platforms, I'd be elated. What I thought about doing is giving each candidate a small blurb that summarizes their general platform while also linking here so voters could read the candidates' entire platform. That approach does risk glossing over some of the finer details, but it's pretty hard to put a lot of information into poll answers, and I do think we can trust voters to at least skim the platforms. If I have your permission as the creator, and as a candidate, and if I get the other candidates approval I'd like to make a poll out of these platforms (or probably two polls, one for the primary, one for the GE). Here's the blurbs I had for each candidate (In order of first to answer to last to answer): Edouard - Compromise minded socially liberal economically moderate Democrat Rezi - Internationalist Left-Libertarian with a progressive lean Pringles - Socially moderate Neo-Conservative Dakota - Unorthodox libertarian with streaks of economic populism (I decided to put you as a Republican since they don't have as many candidates as the Democrats. Also I figured you'd get more votes from conservatives) WVP - Progressive Interventionist with streaks of social conservatism Cen - Minarchist V - Unorthodox Progressive with novel solutions to the issues of the day Fbarbarossa - British sleeper agent/Satirical candidate CE2 - Fusionist Conservative Orange - Technocratic Progressive SK - States' Rights Compassionate Conservative Blood - Semi-eccentric Progressive lib 10cent - Reform minded Internationalist Progressive Blockmon - Socially Progressive Democratic Socialist Jvikings - Paleolibertarian Hestia - Mainstream Liberal Democrat Pope - Traditionalist Catholic I think all of these can be improved, so I'm sorry if anyone feels like I mischaracterized them. I'm certain my want for candidates to each have unique blurbs probably impeded my ability to make them fully accurate. Edited September 28, 2023 by WVProgressive Added Hestia, and Pope 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edouard Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 (edited) I absolutely agree with your presentation of my platform and the ones of those I also read or personnaly know. I could add in detail that my platform is obviously societally liberal but also mainstream democrat to liberal on Education and healthcare but obviously very centrist to center-right on budget/security/immigration so it can still fit in your résumé. Edited September 27, 2023 by Edouard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeP47 Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 TBH that's probably the best description of mine possible in two words, I don't think I would have thought of it myself despite having previous thought more in those circles, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezi Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 40 minutes ago, WVProgressive said: What I thought about doing is giving each candidate a small blurb that summarizes their general platform while also linking here so voters could read the candidates' entire platform. That approach does risk glossing over some of the finer details, but it's pretty hard to put a lot of information into poll answers, and I do think we can trust voters to at least skim the platforms. If I have your permission as the creator, and as a candidate, and if I get the other candidates approval I'd like to make a poll out of these platforms (or probably two polls, one for the primary, one for the GE). Here's the blurbs I had for each candidate (In order of first to answer to last to answer): Edouard - Compromise minded socially liberal economically moderate Democrat Rezi - Internationalist Left-Libertarian with a progressive lean Pringles - Socially moderate Neo-Conservative Dakota - Unorthodox libertarian with streaks of economic populism (I decided to put you as a Republican since they don't have as many candidates as the Democrats. Also I figured you'd get more votes from conservatives) WVP - Progressive Interventionist with streaks of social conservatism Cen - Minarchist V - Unorthodox Progressive with novel solutions to the issues of the day Fbarbarossa - British sleeper agent/Satirical candidate CE2 - Fusionist Conservative Orange - Technocratic Progressive SK - States' Rights Compassionate Conservative Blood - Semi-eccentric Progressive lib 10cent - Reform minded Internationalist Progressive Blockmon - Socially Progressive Democratic Socialist Jvikings - Paleolibertarian I think all of these can be improved, so I'm sorry if anyone feels like I mischaracterized them. I'm certain my want for candidates to each have unique blurbs probably impeded my ability to make them fully accurate. I like mine, but if anything I'd have it say center-left libertarian instead of left libertarian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hestia Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Sorry for the delay, I went back and forth on whether I wanted to answer this or not. First, what major party would you run under in the primaries?: Democratic Secondly, Give us your platform using the following topics: Abortion & Planned Parenthood: Pro-Choice, it isn't my place to tell a woman what to do with her body. Dobbs should be overturned and Roe made the law of the land again. States should not be able to set limits of less than 10 weeks, as it is common for women to still not know they are pregnant at 6 weeks (4-7 weeks is most common for people to find out), much less make a decision. Gay marriage and LGBT adoption: Marriage Equality (Gay marriage and Interracial Marriage) should be added as an amendment to the Constitution. Is it needed right now? Maybe not, but in the future, I would feel more comfortable with an amendment protecting it than a law that could potentially be overturned by 51 votes. Adoption should be legal for gay parents, obviously. Getting more kids out of foster care and in that pipeline should be celebrated. Gender transition/identity: Pass legislation to protect gender-affirming care. Medicine should not be taken away from trans kids, puberty blockers are a good step until 18 when surgery is available. Listen to those who have gone through it, and make a pathway for surgery before 18 for those with approval from doctors and experts. Gun laws/regulations: Aim to curb gun violence with red flag laws and taking away dangerous weapons from people who have caused domestic violence. An early indicator of violence in other paths of life is domestic violence. The 2nd Amendment is an Amendment and protects the right to own a gun, but does not infringe on others' right to live in peace. First Amendment/Hate speech/social media censorship: Freedom of speech is paramount, but if speech explicitly calls for violence, it crosses the line. Social media companies are companies that are able to do as they wish. Don't like their policies? Choose a different platform. Anti-racism/racism: Racism is a pervasive problem in our society, whether we like it or not. We should continue to support activists who speak up about these issues. Government mandates during epidemics/pandemics: These are emergencies for a reason. Hospitals were put to the brink in 2020, I saw it first and second hand. If mandates weren't a thing, they would've collapsed. It's simply necessary for a certain period of time. Supreme Court/reform: Don't advocate changing anything at the moment, as it is a very challenging issue to tackle. Encourage liberal justices and only approve them while in office. Encourage a filibuster if a Republican nominee is put forward while Democrats hold the Senate. Turnabout is fair play. After that, encourage a higher limit for judicial nominees (back to 60) to get better jurists. Election reform/gerrymandering: Advocate for non-partisan commissions to tackle redistricting, but acknowledge that until it becomes more popular, you have to fight fire with fire. Get rid of the Electoral College for the popular vote (maybe a 2-round system in the future?). Begin setting the stage for a multiparty America (with hopefully better third parties than we have now). Social Security/Welfare/Bailouts: I'm not an expert, but definitely pro-Social Security, need to protect it in the future. The same goes for Medicare/Medicaid. Education/Student Loans: Student loans are a huge problem, listen to industry experts on how best to curb the rising prices. Encourage states to invest in education to keep tuition down. Offer federal grants to states to do this if we have to. Forgive some student loan $ with time if feasible. Big Pharma/Drug prices: Lower drug prices, cap insulin prices from spiralling out of control. Obamacare: Keep it, try to improve it where possible. Add the public option back in. Drug laws/War on Drugs/Marijuana: Marijuana should be legal - I don't like it, don't like being around it, but the fact is that it's here and here to stay. Work with Mexico to solve their drug problems as best we can and facilitate a conversation with them on how to make things better. Lobbyists/corruption: Root out government corruption when possible. Lobbyists should be restricted from donating personally to candidates' campaigns. Minimum Wage/Unions/Labor: Raise the minimum wage at least to $10 an hour, with a goal of fixing it to inflation with time. Recognize that some states have different costs of living, and rural states may be able to get by with 10 or 12 dollars, while others may need higher wages. Look at a state by state model for that. Pro-union in general. Corporations/Business: Work to tackle rising monopolies, especially with Disney, Amazon, and Google. Disney is a huge conglomerate at this point and needs to be watched. Environment/Climate: We need to continue to tackle climate change - the IRA was a good starting point to put the US on the map for climate technology. Continue to foster this through subsidies and America will follow suit before long. Phase out coal completely soon, and work to lessen our dependence on oil to lessen our dependence on Gulf Monarchies. Natural Resources/Oil/Alt-energy: Phase out coal completely soon, and work to lessen our dependence on oil to lessen our dependence on Gulf Monarchies. Oil pipelines should not go through natural landmarks and wildlife protection zones, nor should they go through tribal areas where they aren't wanted. Don't encourage new pipelines, but look at them on a case by case basis. Focus on building up renewable sources. Trade/NAFTA/tariffs: Free-trade is the name of the game. NAFTA is a good thing for the US, especially farmers, and it is a good way to keep good relations with our neighbors. Low tariffs should be a constant. Cryptocurrency: Don't really care, just know it isn't going to go very far ever in the future. Immigration/Borderwalls/Deportations: Encourage legal immigration, but recognize that illegal immigrants are broadly running away from horrible situations at home. Offer a pathway to citizenship and work to support people who want to come to America. Work with Mexico to improve the situation there so it isn't needed to get all the way to the US. Police reform: Something needs to change. More education for them is required, and definitely anti-discrimination seminars should be a must annually. End qualified immunity. NATO/UN: Pro-NATO, enlarge as much as we can. There's a reason nations want to join - it protects them. Immediately begin accession talks for West Balkan nations (Bosnia, Kosovo and others) and Moldova. Ukraine will be encouraged to join as soon as the war is over and a peace is concluded. Armenia and Georgia should also be future targets of expansion. Sweden should be admitted immediately. Israel/Palestine: Two-State solution is the only goal here, make sure that Israel remains a state with American support, but work to aid Israel's treatment of Palestinian citizens to build goodwill among both populations. Recognize that Israel is unique and is the only Jewish homeland in the world, which makes it a frequent target. Russia/Ukraine: Full-throttle support for Ukraine until the day Russia is booted out of Ukraine's borders. Any and all weapons they need, they get. Russia has no place in the current modern world with its current leadership. Toughen sanctions. Make clear that this will continue until Russia has ended the war and new leadership is in charge. Russia has to atone for the crimes it has committed to its neighbors, including Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, and others. Recognize Belarusian opposition leader as President of Belarus. China: China is a threat to America and to democracies and nations in the Indo-Pacific. Support the claims of other nations in the South China Sea and work with them to resolve their differences in claims to create a unified front to China with all other nations in agreement. Defend Taiwan, support India against China's expansionism. Iran: Iran is a unique threat in the Middle East and their support of Russia's war only makes them more of a pariah. Continue sanctions and level more if necessary. Do not rule out strikes on Iran if they are close to making a nuclear bomb, in coordination with Israel, Saudi Arabia, and other Gulf countries if necessary. Syria: Syria is a mess, but support Rojava. Pressure Turkey to stop adventurism against the Kurds in the area. Terrorism: Continue to work against terror cells around the globe that are a threat to US citizens or personnel. Work with governments to turn back terrorists growing within their borders. Foreign Aid: Continue generous foreign aid, especially for democratic nations and those under threat (Ukraine, Armenia, Taiwan, etc.). Infrastructure: Support investing more in infrastructure, the goal is to have safe public works that is workable for all people. We can't have crumbling bridges and roads. Work towards a high speed rail system. Military Spending: Keep it as is or raise it slowly, depending on global trends. Russia is a distinct threat now - our military spending is what has created the gulf between us in terms of how well the military functions. We are more technologically advanced and prepared for conflict than any other nation in the world. I would have it no other way. Domestic Spending: Raise it as possible, investing in the areas we've discussed above. IRS/Fed Reserve/Taxation: Respect the Fed, know that they are experts and are trying to do the best for the US. Look at taxes on egregious wealth assets and Amazon and other large corporations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pius XIII Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 If you were running for president in the primary of your preferred major party, what would be your platform in the following areas? Republican (Compassionate Conservative) First, what major party would you run under in the primaries? Secondly, Give us your platform using the following topics: Abortion & Planned Parenthood: Ban abortion in all cases with the exception of rape and the life of the mother. Considering that there is no way that this bill could get through the legislature, I would settle for leaving the issue up to the states, banning later term abortion, and preventing funding of abortions via health care benefits. Men who leave their partner pregnant without marriage should be required to forfeit a portion of their salary to provide for their child. Gay marriage and LGBT adoption: Overturn Obergefell v. Hodges, appoint justices at the Supreme Court who will support restoring traditional family values. Gay marriages before my Administration would be designated civil unions in order to avoid conflict with religious organizations. No adoption rights for gay couples, encourage natalism and tax breaks for families with more than one child in order to stabilize our faltering safety net. Gender transition/identity: No surgical operations on individuals before the age of twenty-one. Consider adding consensual treatment for gender dysphoria under public health care options. Gun laws/regulations: Respect the Second Amendment. Every citizen, regardless of which state they live in, have a God-given right to protect themselves. First Amendment/Hate speech/social media censorship: The First Amendment protects our right to speak our mind in the public forum. Evil ideologies such as Communism and Fascism lose their power through healthy debate. Nuke Social Media from orbit. I have the launch codes… you can’t stop me. Anti-racism/racism: Evil exists in every man, and racism is evil. That being said, America is not inherently racist, but there are ways to clear up this misconception: rebuild our education system (charter schools, higher wages for teachers, home school), expand the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives to combat poverty in our cities and Appalachia, fund our police and equip them with cameras for accountability. The status of Confederate statues should be decided by a local vote, not by mob rule. Government mandates during epidemics/pandemics: The government has the right to enact a mandate, but hold government officials who abused power accountable. Supreme Court/reform: Appoint justices who have the mindset of Scalia. Have Justices publicly release a list of gifts received and book deals in order to avoid conflicts of interest during judicial review. Election reform/gerrymandering: Voting Day is a National Holiday. An ID is required to vote. Gerrymandering contributes to destroying our political system. Set up bipartisan commissions every decade to rewrite our districts in a less partisan manner. Social Security/Welfare/Bailouts: Raise the retirement age- not a popular choice, but people aren’t dying at 65 anymore. Individuals must work to receive welfare. See my statement above about faith-based programs to combat poverty. Education/Student Loans: Teachers should teach their subject. No student should be able to figure out what a teacher’s political party is based on what they say in the classroom. Reduce interest rates on student loans and end government subsidies on student loans and universities. Big Pharma/Drug prices: Drug prices are simply too high. By promoting competition in the drug industry, we can have more options available, thereby driving the costs of drugs down. Obamacare: Attempt to bring back the 2017 Obamacare Replacement proposal returning the issue to the states. Drug laws/War on Drugs/Marijuana: A strong nation needs common values, including on the issues of drug use. Push back against the legalization of hardcore drugs and fund research on the long-term effects of Marijuana- the skunk sticks aren’t looking as innocent as the “Free the Herb” folks claimed for decades. Secure the border- Fentanyl is killing this country. Lobbyists/corruption: Ten-year ban on politicians becoming lobbyists. Pass legislation preventing politicians from investing in the stock market- looking at you Nancy Pelosi and David Perdue Minimum Wage/Unions/Labor: Increase the minimum wage. Let “Right to Work” states carry on if they see fit. Encourage regional unions that do not have a socialist-bent or force it’s members to fund the union’s preferred political candidates. Corporations/Business: Reduce corporate taxes; fine American companies that take their businesses overseas. Environment/Climate: Invest in nuclear energy. Allow fracking. Pressure foreign powers who are truly guilty of pollution (China and India) to alter their energy policy. Natural Resources/Oil/Alt-energy: See Environment tab. Trade/NAFTA/tariffs: Eliminate tariffs set by Trump and Biden. Negotiate with members of NAFTA to ensure that the United States profits. Cryptocurrency: Ban cryptocurrency. We should not be encouraging alternatives to the US Dollar- especially a form of currency that is so violate. Immigration/Borderwalls/Deportations: Put forward immigration reform under the condition that the illegal aliens bad higher taxes for as many years as they were hear illegally and that they learn basic English and American civics/history. Alter conditions if the alien is willing to serve in the military. Build a border wall. Police reform: See “racism section.” NATO/UN: Encourage expansion of NATO. Leverage foreign aid to demand NATO members fulfil their military funding requirements. Israel/Palestine: We have a special relationship with Israel, and need to recognize that it is the only stable democracy in the Middle East. We should continue to defend Israel against the United Nations and encourage relations between Israel and Islamic countries open to improving relations. Russia/Ukraine: Continue to arm Ukraine in order to continue to resist Russian Aggression. We need to name a new Axis of Evil, of which the current Russian government is clearly apart of. That being said, Ukraine should be looked at with a weary eye. They had a reputation of corruption prior to the invasion, so we need to make sure our money is going to its defense, not the pockets of their oligarchs. China: Name China another member of the Second Axis of Evil. Arm Taiwan and encourage Japan to repeal Article 9. Build our relationship with India to further counter China. Iran: Iran is a puppet of China. Encourage movement to restore democracy/monarchy to Iran. Follow Israel’s lead if Iran intends to continue to act aggressively. Syria: Support the Kurdish forces in the north, perhaps consider an Assyrian state as well. We need to be pragmatic about this issue- destroy ISIS and Assad as they are both enemies to the west. Terrorism: Restore the War on Terror- we need to protect America at home and abroad by any means necessary- including the use of Guantanamo Bay. Scale back and clearly define the Patriot Act. Continue to use drone strikes when necessary for America’s defense. Foreign Aid: Aid must be reciprocal- release monthly statements to the American people- they deserve to know where their money is going and what it is being spent on oversees. Infrastructure: Parcel out money on the state and local level. A one-shoe-size-fits-all formula does not work with infrastructure. Military Spending: My gut tells me to increase spending on the US military. We have expended our resources on Ukraine and need to refill our stock. That being said, we should still audit the military- we need to make sure that our resources are not being wasted. Domestic Spending: Not important- this issue is a state issue. IRS/Fed Reserve/Taxation: Read my lips- no new taxes. Consider a flat tax. I am not well versed with the Federal Reserve to declare confidently what is right or wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted September 28, 2023 Author Share Posted September 28, 2023 9 hours ago, Pius XIII said: Compassionate Conservative) Your platform just seems conservative to me. Where’s the compassionate part? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blockmon Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 12 minutes ago, vcczar said: Your platform just seems conservative to me. Where’s the compassionate part? What do you mean? I clearly see the compassionate part with the end of gay marriage 😄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edouard Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 15 minutes ago, vcczar said: Your platform just seems conservative to me. Where’s the compassionate part? Yes compassionate conservative is either being somewhat left-wing on society or the economy or moderate on any of the two and seeking a greater majority, that's traditionnal conservatism here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pius XIII Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 2 hours ago, vcczar said: Your platform just seems conservative to me. Where’s the compassionate part? You guys gave me a good chuckle. I’d say the compassionate part about my platform comes from further funding in the war on poverty through faith-based initiatives, an increase in the minimum wage, a reformation of the prison system so that it is reformative and not retributive for small-time criminals, and a desire to preserve the labor movement. I’d say my most conservative beliefs are on marriage and abortion, but that is because the former is the building block of society, and the later is because I believe that life is sacred from conception to natural death. That said, I am pragmatic enough to acknowledge that my platform would have to shift further to the center during the general election. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pius XIII Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Edouard said: Yes compassionate conservative is either being somewhat left-wing on society or the economy or moderate on any of the two and seeking a greater majority, that's traditionnal conservatism here. I believe you and I have a different definition of compassionate conservatives. I believe mine is more akin to Catholic social teaching- except put forward in a secular country. I would suggest the book “It Takes a Family” to get a good idea as to what I am talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edouard Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, Pius XIII said: I believe you and I have a different definition of compassionate conservatives. I believe mine is more akin to Catholic social teaching- except put forward in a secular country. I would suggest the book “It Takes a Family” to get a good idea as to what I am talking about. I totally understand your point but what catholic social teaching in my opinion is for example contrary to the platform on immigration : Immigration/Borderwalls/Deportations: Put forward immigration reform under the condition that the illegal aliens bad higher taxes for as many years as they were hear illegally and that they learn basic English and American civics/history. Alter conditions if the alien is willing to serve in the military. Build a border wall. At least if I follow what the Pope says : https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/pope-francis-europe-migrants-1.6975595 Not that I personnaly disagree with your position, but it is not the position of the papacy. This : Anti-racism/racism: Evil exists in every man, and racism is evil. That being said, America is not inherently racist, but there are ways to clear up this misconception: rebuild our education system (charter schools, higher wages for teachers, home school), expand the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives to combat poverty in our cities and Appalachia, fund our police and equip them with cameras for accountability. The status of Confederate statues should be decided by a local vote, not by mob rule. Is indeed what can be considered as compassionate conservatism. But this : Reduce interest rates on student loans and end government subsidies on student loans and universities. Is in my opinion of course not more moderate than what Donald Trump proposed in 2016 for example. For increasing the minimum wage it is but it should be said at which dollar/hour. Overall my opinion is that the platform at large is closer to traditionnal conservatives (historically of course) than George W. Bush. It is true that George W. Bush opposed same sex marriage in the 2000s, but he moved since on what I call the "Romney" position. When he endorsed civil unions in 2004 he actually were in the minority of his party and seeking to talk to what was at the time a greater majority of americans. He had put democrats in trouble at the time because they were also in favor of civil unions but not marriage at the time. The evolution of compassionate conservatism of Bush junior is very clear here : https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-w-bush-reportedly-offered-to-officiate-same-sex-wedding/ On the case of family and totally separated from our discussion (which is different) I would argue that the goal of liberal conservatives has been to set traditionnal family values in homosexual couples, and in several ways they have got results. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pius XIII Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Edouard said: I totally understand your point but what catholic social teaching in my opinion is for example contrary to the platform on immigration : Immigration/Borderwalls/Deportations: Put forward immigration reform under the condition that the illegal aliens bad higher taxes for as many years as they were hear illegally and that they learn basic English and American civics/history. Alter conditions if the alien is willing to serve in the military. Build a border wall. At least if I follow what the Pope says : https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/pope-francis-europe-migrants-1.6975595 Not that I personnaly disagree with your position, but it is not the position of the papacy. This : Anti-racism/racism: Evil exists in every man, and racism is evil. That being said, America is not inherently racist, but there are ways to clear up this misconception: rebuild our education system (charter schools, higher wages for teachers, home school), expand the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives to combat poverty in our cities and Appalachia, fund our police and equip them with cameras for accountability. The status of Confederate statues should be decided by a local vote, not by mob rule. Is indeed what can be considered as compassionate conservatism. But this : Reduce interest rates on student loans and end government subsidies on student loans and universities. Is in my opinion of course not more moderate than what Donald Trump proposed in 2016 for example. For increasing the minimum wage it is but it should be said at which dollar/hour. Overall my opinion is that the platform at large is closer to traditionnal conservatives (historically of course) than George W. Bush. It is true that George W. Bush opposed same sex marriage in the 2000s, but he moved since on what I call the "Romney" position. When he endorsed civil unions in 2004 he actually were in the minority of his party and seeking to talk to what was at the time a greater majority of americans. He had put democrats in trouble at the time because they were also in favor of civil unions but not marriage at the time. The evolution of compassionate conservatism of Bush junior is very clear here : https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-w-bush-reportedly-offered-to-officiate-same-sex-wedding/ On the case of family and totally separated from our discussion (which is different) I would argue that the goal of liberal conservatives has been to set traditionnal family values in homosexual couples, and in several ways they have got results. Thank you for your well thought out response. I certainly understand where you are coming from, but to reply: Immigration: I know the current Pope would probably reject my proposal, but Francis is offering platitudes, not policy, on how to deal with the immigrants in Europe. I do agree with the spirit of his message though- hence my proposal. I do not see a humane way to deport our illegal aliens and we need to find a way to win over some immigration hardliners in order to keep the current illegal aliens here. I think that my proposal is in line with compassionate conservatism because it forgives the illegal aliens of their crime, while finding a way to shift them into upstanding members of our society that I believe they can be. Subsidies: government intervention decreased the value of a diploma while upping the cost to get a degree. I’m not going to pretend like I have an amazing solution to this quagmire, but I do believe that lowering interest rates in student loans would be a good start. Compassionate Conservatism and Same-sex marriage: George W Bush is an evangelical Christian. He also promised to be a unifier in a secular country. I believe that his stance- marriage is one man/one woman while also opening civil unions to gay couple was (and is) the correct position. It maintains the institution that’s enables our society to continue while also enabling homosexual couples to live their lives. I don’t see this as an “evolution”, but a practical attempt at avoiding another cultural war. That attempt failed. Sorry if my reply is garbled, I am attempting a response on my phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVProgressive Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 (edited) Be sure to vote! Winner gets the nomination, runner-up just gets a book deal with Simon & Schuster Edited September 28, 2023 by WVProgressive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edouard Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 On 9/26/2023 at 7:01 AM, Edouard said: Sadly I seem to be one of the very few who tries to fix political appointments in the Supreme Court 😛 I think that I would love to have a Conservative Elector vs Barb election just to imagine how states would vote @ConservativeElector2 pulled a Bush on @Fbarbarossa (I will obviously reply to Pope Pius after :)) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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