1868: The Gilded Age Playtest

[Umbrella]

17 hours ago, Bushwa777 said:

@themiddlepolitical, @dkh64, @Bloot911, @EYates, @Imperator Taco Cat, @Umbrella, @pman, @Blockmon and @Joe303300

House Voting: 151 

 

HR 1: Create National Healthcare for disabled military veterans AND retire outdated weaponry, tactics, training, and military technology, and military officers AYE

HR 2: Equal Rights for Women Amendment. NEEDS 201 to pass AYE

HR 3: Restrict residency to those of good moral character AYE

HR 4: Ban Child Labor in industries with high injury rate AYE

HR 5: Open Indian Territory up to White Settlement NAY

HR 6: Allow Naturalization for those of African descent AYE

SR 1: Washington Statehood  AYE

SR 2: Establish a national banking system to print national paper currency and war bonds to deal with emergencies.  AYE

SR 3: Ban Criminals from immigrating NAY

SR 4: Create President’s Day as a federal holiday AND Create Land Grants to build a new public college in each state AND Force former plantation owners to buy back their confiscated plantations.  AYE

 

I would like these votes in by 5PM Wednesday May 31.  Thank you.

Votes above.

[Bushwa777]

@themiddlepolitical, @dkh64, @Bloot911, @EYates, @Imperator Taco Cat, @Umbrella, @Joe303300, @pman, and @Blockmon

 

Laws in front of House:

Before votes that are converted: 

HR 1: Create National Healthcare for disabled military veterans AND retire outdated weaponry, tactics, training, and military technology, and military officers 292-9 PASS

HR 2: Equal Rights for Women Amendment. 112-189 FAIL

HR 3: Restrict residency to those of good moral character 286-15 PASS

HR 4: Ban Child Labor in industries with high injury rate. 259-42 PASS

HR 5: Open Indian Territory up to White Settlement. 234-67 PASS

HR 6: Allow Naturalization for those of African descent. 191-110 PASS

SR 1: Washington Statehood. 237-64 PASS

SR 2: Establish a national banking system to print national paper currency and war bonds to deal with emergencies. 222-79 PASS

SR 3: Ban Criminals from immigrating 256-45 PASS

SR 4: Create President’s Day as a federal holiday AND Create Land Grants to build a new public college in each state AND Force former plantation owners to buy back their confiscated plantations. 237-64 PASS

-James G. Blaine @Blockmon you can use orator to flip 3 Reps of your choice if you pass.  Do you want to do this?

-Arthur Pue Gorman and Fernando Wood @EYates you can use debate to flip 5 votes for a bill of your choice.  Do you wish to do this? 

 

[dkh64]

Wow, the so-called party of equality hates women now. 

[pman]

Obviously we all want women's suffrage early but the game's penalty is simply too serve. If we passed it, party preference would have gone done to +1 Red and we might have lost Congress.

[Blockmon]

17 minutes ago, Bushwa777 said:

@themiddlepolitical, @dkh64, @Bloot911, @EYates, @Imperator Taco Cat, @Umbrella, @Joe303300, @pman, and @Blockmon

 

Laws in front of House:

Before votes that are converted: 

HR 1: Create National Healthcare for disabled military veterans AND retire outdated weaponry, tactics, training, and military technology, and military officers 292-9 PASS

HR 2: Equal Rights for Women Amendment. 112-189 FAIL

HR 3: Restrict residency to those of good moral character 286-15 PASS

HR 4: Ban Child Labor in industries with high injury rate. 259-42 PASS

HR 5: Open Indian Territory up to White Settlement. 234-67 PASS

HR 6: Allow Naturalization for those of African descent. 191-110 PASS

SR 1: Washington Statehood. 237-64 PASS

SR 2: Establish a national banking system to print national paper currency and war bonds to deal with emergencies. 222-79 PASS

SR 3: Ban Criminals from immigrating 256-45 PASS

SR 4: Create President’s Day as a federal holiday AND Create Land Grants to build a new public college in each state AND Force former plantation owners to buy back their confiscated plantations. 237-64 PASS

-James G. Blaine @Blockmon you can use orator to flip 3 Reps of your choice if you pass.  Do you want to do this?

-Arthur Pue Gorman and Fernando Wood @EYates you can use debate to flip 5 votes for a bill of your choice.  Do you wish to do this? 

 

Elihu B Washburne

Edwin B Morgan

Joseph Rainey

To go against women's suffrage (reasons on why is above)

Edited May 31, 2023 by Blockmon

[pman]

NM

Edited May 31, 2023 by pman

[Bushwa777]

44 minutes ago, pman said:

Obviously we all want women's suffrage early but the game's penalty is simply too serve. If we passed it, party preference would have gone done to +1 Red and we might have lost Congress.

Yeah the GOP cannot let the Democrats have a branch of government....that would be like too fair 

[pman]

Just now, Bushwa777 said:

Yeah the GOP cannot let the Democrats have a branch of government....that would be like too fair 

In this game, if I've learned anything, it's that it's a fine line between having a big edge and losing the whole thing. We let them win Congress, they repeal Reconstruction and make a few other moves and then suddenly we go into the next election with it being Blue +2. That's how this game seems to work. 

[Bushwa777]

2 minutes ago, pman said:

In this game, if I've learned anything, it's that it's a fine line between having a big edge and losing the whole thing. We let them win Congress, they repeal Reconstruction and make a few other moves and then suddenly we go into the next election with it being Blue +2. That's how this game seems to work. 

True but in 1884 reconstruction ends anyway so you got what 5 more election cycles?

[Bushwa777]

54 minutes ago, Blockmon said:

Elihu B Washburne

Edwin B Morgan

Joseph Rainey

To go against women's suffrage (reasons on why is above)

Success 5/6.  Votes currently for HR 2 are 109-186 still failing to pass 

[EYates]

1 hour ago, Bushwa777 said:

@themiddlepolitical, @dkh64, @Bloot911, @EYates, @Imperator Taco Cat, @Umbrella, @Joe303300, @pman, and @Blockmon

 

Laws in front of House:

Before votes that are converted: 

HR 1: Create National Healthcare for disabled military veterans AND retire outdated weaponry, tactics, training, and military technology, and military officers 292-9 PASS

HR 2: Equal Rights for Women Amendment. 112-189 FAIL

HR 3: Restrict residency to those of good moral character 286-15 PASS

HR 4: Ban Child Labor in industries with high injury rate. 259-42 PASS

HR 5: Open Indian Territory up to White Settlement. 234-67 PASS

HR 6: Allow Naturalization for those of African descent. 191-110 PASS

SR 1: Washington Statehood. 237-64 PASS

SR 2: Establish a national banking system to print national paper currency and war bonds to deal with emergencies. 222-79 PASS

SR 3: Ban Criminals from immigrating 256-45 PASS

SR 4: Create President’s Day as a federal holiday AND Create Land Grants to build a new public college in each state AND Force former plantation owners to buy back their confiscated plantations. 237-64 PASS

-James G. Blaine @Blockmon you can use orator to flip 3 Reps of your choice if you pass.  Do you want to do this?

-Arthur Pue Gorman and Fernando Wood @EYates you can use debate to flip 5 votes for a bill of your choice.  Do you wish to do this? 

 

All on trying to block Naturalisation of African Decent despite the fact it won’t change the result:

William B Allison

Elihu B Washburne
Vespasian Warner

Schuyler Colfax

Robert T Van Horn

all of them hold 5 votes

[Bushwa777]

8 minutes ago, EYates said:

All on trying to block Naturalisation of African Decent despite the fact it won’t change the result:

William B Allison

Elihu B Washburne-Targeted by Arthur Pue Gorman  Failed 4/6
Vespasian Warner

Schuyler Colfax-Targeted by Fernando Wood Success 6/6.  

Robert T Van Horn

all of them hold 5 votes

Each one could only target one person.  I rolled randomly.  

[Bushwa777]

Final Votes: 

HR 1: Create National Healthcare for disabled military veterans AND retire outdated weaponry, tactics, training, and military technology, and military officers 292-9 PASS

HR 2: Equal Rights for Women Amendment. 109-186 FAILS 

HR 3: Restrict residency to those of good moral character 286-15 PASS

HR 4: Ban Child Labor in industries with high injury rate. 259-42 PASS

HR 5: Open Indian Territory up to White Settlement. 234-67 PASS

HR 6: Allow Naturalization for those of African descent. 186-115 PASS

SR 1: Washington Statehood. 237-64 PASS

SR 2: Establish a national banking system to print national paper currency and war bonds to deal with emergencies. 222-79 PASS

SR 3: Ban Criminals from immigrating 256-45 PASS

SR 4: Create President’s Day as a federal holiday AND Create Land Grants to build a new public college in each state AND Force former plantation owners to buy back their confiscated plantations. 237-64 PASS

[pman]

39 minutes ago, Bushwa777 said:

True but in 1884 reconstruction ends anyway so you got what 5 more election cycles?

Haha. Fair. On the flip side, if you take reconstruction out of the equation, this era is actually very friendly to the blue side when you look at state leans.

[EYates]

48 minutes ago, pman said:

In this game, if I've learned anything, it's that it's a fine line between having a big edge and losing the whole thing. We let them win Congress, they repeal Reconstruction and make a few other moves and then suddenly we go into the next election with it being Blue +2. That's how this game seems to work. 

It is part of the reason I said you guys would be turkeys voting for thanksgiving

[Bushwa777]

To explain why I only allowed 2 people to try to debate and convert: 

Any member of a Senator or House Committee with “debate” can also give a speech, but they will convert only 1 US Senator or 5 US House votes (depending on the debater’s house of congress) of a faction of their choice that is not led by a “Puritan” faction leader. Speeches have a 5-6 die roll chance of being successful. A politician can only give one speech per half-term

[pman]

Just now, EYates said:

It is part of the reason I said you guys would be turkeys voting for thanksgiving

Haha yeah, you were right. Block was the only one to notice it. Of course, even after we figured it out, some of the people in our Party still voted for it. We're playing very different games on the Red side.

[EYates]

Just now, pman said:

Haha yeah, you were right. Block was the only one to notice it. Of course, even after we figured it out, some of the people in our Party still voted for it. We're playing very different games on the Red side.

Yes you seem to be playing super liberal republicans and dictatorship republicans. But anyway if we get an economic crisis you might lose the house anyway. The senate we have no chance of taking for a good couple of rotations.

[Bushwa777]

1 minute ago, pman said:

Haha yeah, you were right. Block was the only one to notice it. Of course, even after we figured it out, some of the people in our Party still voted for it. We're playing very different games on the Red side.

What with iron fisted Grant and his goons no longer in power the GOP is breaking apart?

[Bushwa777]

Just now, EYates said:

Yes you seem to be playing super liberal republicans and dictatorship republicans. But anyway if we get an economic crisis you might lose the house anyway. The senate we have no chance of taking for a good couple of rotations.

My cash app can be asked for if you want that economic crisis  👺

[pman]

1 minute ago, Bushwa777 said:

What with iron fisted Grant and his goons no longer in power the GOP is breaking apart?

No, we're just not jerks. We don't penalize people in our Party for being free thinkers. 

[pman]

1 minute ago, Bushwa777 said:

My cash app can be asked for if you want that economic crisis  👺

You've given us an economic crisis in 2 of the first 3 turns of this playtest. How about a boom period for a change, lol. We've gotten the meters to where they are no simply by having a world class treasury secretary and trying to manage the economy through legislation. 

[Bushwa777]

@themiddlepolitical, @dkh64, @Bloot911, @EYates, @Imperator Taco Cat, @Umbrella, @Joe303300, @pman and @Blockmon

 

 

Senate Voting: 42 votes needed to pass 

HR 1: Create National Healthcare for disabled military veterans AND retire outdated weaponry, tactics, training, and military technology, and military officers  

HR 2: Restrict residency to those of good moral character  

HR 3: Ban Child Labor in industries with high injury rate.  

HR 4: Open Indian Territory up to White Settlement.  

HR 5: Allow Naturalization for those of African descent.  

SR 1: Washington Statehood.  

SR 2: Establish a national banking system to print national paper currency and war bonds to deal with emergencies.  

SR 3: Ban Criminals from immigrating  

SR 4: Create President’s Day as a federal holiday AND Create Land Grants to build a new public college in each state AND Force former plantation owners to buy back their confiscated plantation

Would like this by 7PM CST Thursday night. 

[Bushwa777]

1 minute ago, pman said:

You've given us an economic crisis in 2 of the first 3 turns of this playtest. How about a boom period for a change, lol. We've gotten the meters to where they are no simply by having a world class treasury secretary and trying to manage the economy through legislation. 

No No Sir I gave you nothing .  The Dice give and the Dice take away, blessed be the die 

[Imperator Taco Cat]

NAY on all