pman Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 (edited) Legislative: John Randolph Executive: Littleton Waller Tazewell Admin: Peter Buell Porter Military: Judicial: William P Maclay Backroom: George Kremer Private: Hugh Lawson White ----I'll pull Andrew Jackson- I am not going going to make him a Judge and the longer he stays on that track the more likely he is to gain an undesirable trait. If he was randomly paced on a different track I would have left him there, but he's on the wrong track for how I want to play him. Edited April 16, 2023 by pman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebrk85 Posted April 16, 2023 Author Share Posted April 16, 2023 17 hours ago, Pringles said: Remove from career track: Robert Goodloe Harper Artemis Ward Jr. Harper removed after 8 yrs on Military track Gains +1 Military, Controversial Ward Jr removed after 12 years on Backroom track Gains +1 Admin (his first), Foreign Affairs, Kingmaker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebrk85 Posted April 16, 2023 Author Share Posted April 16, 2023 16 hours ago, DJBillyShakes said: Governing: John Baldwin (requires roll) Succeeds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebrk85 Posted April 16, 2023 Author Share Posted April 16, 2023 11 hours ago, Murrman104 said: Admin- Ninian Edwards Fails to join track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebrk85 Posted April 16, 2023 Author Share Posted April 16, 2023 11 hours ago, 10centjimmy said: Pull Charles Lee from private Track 16 years Lee gains +1 Admin (3), +1 Gov (his 1st), Welfare, Labor 11 hours ago, 10centjimmy said: how does it work with two draftees that already have offices? Bainbridge and Hull. Do those offices get dropped if i put them on career track or am I unable to put them on the career track? So obviously they shouldn't have a job already if they are rookies but this is unique to the first rookie draft. Using the 1800 start data they already are the Sr Admiral and Admiral so we will honor that. Which means you won't be able to place them on a career track since they have jobs already. We had something similar in 1948's first draft. Lloyd Bentsen was already a Rep when he was drafted to at the beginning of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebrk85 Posted April 16, 2023 Author Share Posted April 16, 2023 10 hours ago, pman said: I'll pull Andrew Jackson After 8 years on Judicial track Jackson gains +1 Judicial (2) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebrk85 Posted April 16, 2023 Author Share Posted April 16, 2023 @Murrman104 @dkh64 @ShortKing @pman @jnewt @DJBillyShakes @WVProgressive @Pringles @matthewyoung123 @10centjimmy 2.1.4 Relocate Politicians You may move pols to their alt states at this time or attempt to move them from an overpopulated (over 40) to underpopulated (under 20) state. MA, NY, PA and VA are currently overpopulated. 2.1.5 Ideology Shifts Each faction can shift the ideology of up to three politicians, unless the faction leader has the following traits: If the faction leader has “iron fist” then they can flip two more politicians. If they have “propagandist”, then they can flip one more politician. If they have “manipulative,” then they can flip one more politician. If they are the currently party leader, then they can flip two more politicians. If they have multiple of the above, then add them together, with a grand total possibility of 9 ideology shift attempts. 2.1.6 Politician Conversions Skipping as we don't have faction leaders yet. 2.1.7 Kingmakers & Proteges You may activate ONE kingmaker An active Kingmaker must be at least 35 years old and not on a career track. There are no age limitations for protege. An active Kingmaker gets one protégé from their own faction who must also be from their own state and own personal ideology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murrman104 Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 (edited) James Winthrop Prog-LW Pop George Rogers Clark Mod-Lib Vice President Burr takes on DeWitt Clinton Edited April 16, 2023 by Murrman104 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVProgressive Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 (edited) Relocations: Edmund Pendleton VA->VT Shifts: CC Pickney Cons -> Trad Phillip J Schuyler Mod->Lib JQA Lib->Mod Kingmakers: No Kingmakers; No Moves Edited April 17, 2023 by WVProgressive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortKing Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 Relocations: Benjamin Rush from PA to GA Shifts: James Madison: Con to Mod James Monroe: Con to Mod Kingmakers: Gideon Grainger takes on Pierpont Edwards as a protege Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10centjimmy Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 Relocations: Charles Lee from VA to TN Henry W Livingston from NY to TN Shifts: Nathan Smith Mod->Cons George Gale Mod->Cons George Baer Jr Mod->Cons No Kingmakers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pman Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 (edited) Peter Buell Porter moves from NY to MS Littleton Waller Tazewell from VA to IN Shifts: Isaac Shelby- con to mod Andrew Jackson RW Pop to Trad Thomas Sumter Con to Trad -No Kingmaker moves Edited April 16, 2023 by pman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewyoung123 Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 Relocations- Francis Dana from Overpopulated MA->Underpopulated VT (same region) Richard Bland Lee from Overpopulated VA->Underpopulated GA William Stephens Smith from Overpopulated NY->Underpopulated OH Shifts- Cyrus King of MA from Mod->Con Thomas Morris of NY from Mod->Con Solomon Van Rensselaer of NY from Mod->Con Kingmaker- So depending on what happens above will determine my Kingmaker move. If Morris (1st choice) or Van Rensselaer (2nd choice) shift to Con, then they will become protégé to Alexander Hamilton. If neither shift ideology, and Richard Lee Bland moves to GA, Joseph Habersham will take him on as a protégé. (3rd choice). If none of those happen, I have no Kingmaker moves. Thanks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnewt Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 Relocations None Ideology Shifts Thomas Jefferson RW Pop>Trad Jared Irwin Mod>Cons John Rowan RW Pop>Trad Andrew Kirkpatrick Mod>Cons John Barry Mod>Cons William H Crawford Cons>trad Simon Snyder Mod>Cons Willie Blount RW Pop>Trad Politician Conversions John Quincy Adams Kingmakers No kingmakers 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVProgressive Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 10 minutes ago, jnewt said: Politician Conversions John Quincy Adams @ebrk85 I know Jnewt technically has a faction leader, but I would hope that the rule of no conversions also applies to him. Kind of seems like it would be an unfair advantage to let a faction start as President, and also have the advantage of stealing politicians right off the bat 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebrk85 Posted April 17, 2023 Author Share Posted April 17, 2023 19 minutes ago, WVProgressive said: @ebrk85 I know Jnewt technically has a faction leader, but I would hope that the rule of no conversions also applies to him. Kind of seems like it would be an unfair advantage to let a faction start as President, and also have the advantage of stealing politicians right off the bat Yes I said in my post we were skipping that section this time since we haven't picked leaders yet. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnewt Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 1 hour ago, WVProgressive said: @ebrk85 I know Jnewt technically has a faction leader, but I would hope that the rule of no conversions also applies to him. Kind of seems like it would be an unfair advantage to let a faction start as President, and also have the advantage of stealing politicians right off the bat This is true, but it's also unfair that I now lose an opportunity to convert a politician out of no fault of my own. Seems like a pretty simple solution would be to make picking faction and party leaders right from the start. I've never understood why we don't do that though, it seems the most intuitive time to pick leaders, so I'm assuming there's a reason I'm unaware of. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewyoung123 Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, jnewt said: This is true, but it's also unfair that I now lose an opportunity to convert a politician out of no fault of my own. Seems like a pretty simple solution would be to make picking faction and party leaders right from the start. I've never understood why we don't do that though, it seems the most intuitive time to pick leaders, so I'm assuming there's a reason I'm unaware of. That brings up another question for me though. When starting later...in our case 1800, wouldn't there already be identified "faction leaders" & "party leaders" in place? The only time it may not is 1788, but all other later starts SHOULD have faction and party leaders in place already. Food for thought anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebrk85 Posted April 17, 2023 Author Share Posted April 17, 2023 32 minutes ago, jnewt said: I've never understood why we don't do that though, it seems the most intuitive time to pick leaders, so I'm assuming there's a reason I'm unaware of. Who you are eligible to pick could change based on shifts and what cards you are assigned. If we picked first your faction leader may be ineligible by the end of 2.1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebrk85 Posted April 17, 2023 Author Share Posted April 17, 2023 23 minutes ago, matthewyoung123 said: When starting later...in our case 1800, wouldn't there already be identified "faction leaders" & "party leaders" in place? Faction leaders don't exist IRL life so I am not sure how you would decide who would be the faction leaders for each start date. Plus the pols are not locked into a certain faction when drafting for the initial draft. So whoever you identify as real life "faction leaders" in 1800 or 1840 or whenever, several might end up in the same faction. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ebrk85 Posted April 17, 2023 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 17, 2023 I will remind everyone that in the game you will have the chance to actively draft your pols in the start draft for the start of whatever era you are playing. So we can't have predetermined factions. Plus what fun is that is every start in 1800 is the exact same set-up. That is not practical to do in the playtests because it would take us forever just to start the test. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebrk85 Posted April 17, 2023 Author Share Posted April 17, 2023 3 hours ago, Murrman104 said: James Winthrop Prog-LW Pop Fails gains Pliable George Rogers Clark Mod-Lib Fails gains Flip-flopper Vice President Burr takes on DeWitt Clinton Clinton gains Justice, Controversial, +1 Command (his first!) 3 hours ago, WVProgressive said: Relocations: Edmund Pendleton VA->VT Succeeds Shifts: CC Pickney Cons -> Trad Fails Phillip J Schuyler Mod->Lib Fails gains Flip-flopper JQA Lib->Mod Succeeds gains Flip-flopper and Pliable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebrk85 Posted April 17, 2023 Author Share Posted April 17, 2023 3 hours ago, ShortKing said: Relocations: Benjamin Rush from PA to GA Succeeds Shifts: James Madison: Con to Mod Fails gains Flip-flopper James Monroe: Con to Mod Fails gains Flip-flopper Kingmakers: Gideon Grainger takes on Pierpont Edwards as a protege Grainger is not old enough. Do you want to activate Madison instead? 3 hours ago, 10centjimmy said: Relocations: Charles Lee from VA to TN Fails Henry W Livingston from NY to TN Fails Shifts: Nathan Smith Mod->Cons Fails gains Flip-flopper and Pliable George Gale Mod->Cons Fails gains Pliable George Baer Jr Mod->Cons Fails gains Flip-flopper and Pliable No Kingmakers Ouch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortKing Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, ebrk85 said: Shifts: James Madison: Con to Mod Fails gains Flip-flopper James Monroe: Con to Mod Fails gains Flip-flopper I am praying on your downfall 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortKing Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 for Kingmakers, yeah James Madison will take on David Holmes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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